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	<title>Comments on: Is Glenn Beck Good for Conservatives? Horowitz vs. Frum Round Two &#8211; By Jamie Glazov</title>
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		<title>By: Guest Canuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guest Canuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 19:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Intellectuals like us have a role to play, but if you want to influence masses and affect real politics, you need someone who has the talent to command a mass audience and the dedication to put the information on the radar. Beck has done that with the most important intelligence of all: knowledge of the enemy.&quot; 
So did Goebbels. 
Political fanatics just love a good propagandist and resident intellectual and Fanatic in Chief, Horrowitz, has found one in Beck, the current whizz at spinning paranoid conspiracy fantasies for the fearful.  He has also discovered, from his days at Ramparts, that fanaticism of the Right pays a hell of a lot better than fanaticism of the Left. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Intellectuals like us have a role to play, but if you want to influence masses and affect real politics, you need someone who has the talent to command a mass audience and the dedication to put the information on the radar. Beck has done that with the most important intelligence of all: knowledge of the enemy.&quot;<br />
So did Goebbels.<br />
Political fanatics just love a good propagandist and resident intellectual and Fanatic in Chief, Horrowitz, has found one in Beck, the current whizz at spinning paranoid conspiracy fantasies for the fearful.  He has also discovered, from his days at Ramparts, that fanaticism of the Right pays a hell of a lot better than fanaticism of the Left.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny Canuck</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 18:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Intellectuals like us have a role to play, but if you want to influence masses and affect real politics, you need someone who has the talent to command a mass audience and the dedication to put the information on the radar. Beck has done that with the most important intelligence of all: knowledge of the enemy.&quot; 
So did Goebbels </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Intellectuals like us have a role to play, but if you want to influence masses and affect real politics, you need someone who has the talent to command a mass audience and the dedication to put the information on the radar. Beck has done that with the most important intelligence of all: knowledge of the enemy.&quot;<br />
So did Goebbels</p>
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		<title>By: Right Wing Nut House &#187; INTELLECTUAL CONSERVATISM ISN&#8217;T DEAD: IT&#8217;S RESTING</title>
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		<dc:creator>Right Wing Nut House &#187; INTELLECTUAL CONSERVATISM ISN&#8217;T DEAD: IT&#8217;S RESTING</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 16:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] start today with an excellent defense of Glenn Beck and the populists tactics by David Horowitz, who took part in an informal &#8220;Symposium&#8221; at FrontPage.com: There are two issues here. One is a remarkable conservative outburst against the broadcaster Glenn [...]</description>
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		<title>By: gigi0102</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 11:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting discussion. Personally, I think without Glenn Beck and Fox, the Republicans would be so disheartened and rudderless that both cap-and-tax AND socialized medicine would have simply zoomed through congress -- like the Stimulus fiasco.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And I do believe David H. is correct about politics. I too was an activist for a time. You can flawlessly logical and brilliant ideas, but unless you can convey them in a sound byte, you&#039;ll have very little impact. Most people don&#039;t have the time or the inclination to go through textbooks and plod through history. But almost everyone seems to know what&#039;s &quot;right&quot; -- even if they&#039;re wrong (!) A candidate has to resonate with voters on a personal level, beyond -- or below -- the intellectual. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Reagan was a brilliant politician because he was also an actor. To this day, it&#039;s much easier for me to visualize Reagan in a cowboy hat and on a horse than leading a Cabinet meeting. Yet he was one of the most conservatively pure Presidents we&#039;ve ever had. Amazing. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You need a bit of the showman, the marketing package. You also need some level of rage -- whipping up that rage is a key factor in securing Obama&#039;s election. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And, as David H. also pointed out -- look who we&#039;re fighting. You can bring a knife to a gun fight if you want, if you believe it&#039;s more ethical and civil, but you probably won&#039;t win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting discussion. Personally, I think without Glenn Beck and Fox, the Republicans would be so disheartened and rudderless that both cap-and-tax AND socialized medicine would have simply zoomed through congress &#8212; like the Stimulus fiasco.</p>
<p>And I do believe David H. is correct about politics. I too was an activist for a time. You can flawlessly logical and brilliant ideas, but unless you can convey them in a sound byte, you&#39;ll have very little impact. Most people don&#39;t have the time or the inclination to go through textbooks and plod through history. But almost everyone seems to know what&#39;s &#8220;right&#8221; &#8212; even if they&#39;re wrong (!) A candidate has to resonate with voters on a personal level, beyond &#8212; or below &#8212; the intellectual. </p>
<p>Reagan was a brilliant politician because he was also an actor. To this day, it&#39;s much easier for me to visualize Reagan in a cowboy hat and on a horse than leading a Cabinet meeting. Yet he was one of the most conservatively pure Presidents we&#39;ve ever had. Amazing. </p>
<p>You need a bit of the showman, the marketing package. You also need some level of rage &#8212; whipping up that rage is a key factor in securing Obama&#39;s election. </p>
<p>And, as David H. also pointed out &#8212; look who we&#39;re fighting. You can bring a knife to a gun fight if you want, if you believe it&#39;s more ethical and civil, but you probably won&#39;t win.</p>
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		<title>By: DEG426</title>
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		<dc:creator>DEG426</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 00:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I may be able to shed some light on Beck&#039;s remark about McCain. As usual the statement was taken out of the context in which it was said.  He was saying that had McCain been elected, his being conservative-light, that many of the same bills and ideas would have been brought to vote. Beck pointed out that with McCain in office we probably would not be aware today of Acorn,Tides Foundation, Van Jones, the really radical black left. etc. Beck theorized that with McCain in control the outrage, the attention we are now paying to all the weasels in washington, would not be happening.  Does that help ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may be able to shed some light on Beck&#39;s remark about McCain. As usual the statement was taken out of the context in which it was said.  He was saying that had McCain been elected, his being conservative-light, that many of the same bills and ideas would have been brought to vote. Beck pointed out that with McCain in office we probably would not be aware today of Acorn,Tides Foundation, Van Jones, the really radical black left. etc. Beck theorized that with McCain in control the outrage, the attention we are now paying to all the weasels in washington, would not be happening.  Does that help ?</p>
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		<title>By: DEG426</title>
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		<dc:creator>DEG426</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 00:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great piece.  Thanks David for defending Beck and his intent. Keep fighting the good fight. I know I will.&lt;br&gt;ps- I became familar with you BECAUSE of Glenn Beck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great piece.  Thanks David for defending Beck and his intent. Keep fighting the good fight. I know I will.<br />ps- I became familar with you BECAUSE of Glenn Beck.</p>
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		<title>By: bubba4</title>
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		<dc:creator>bubba4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 00:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barney Frank put forth legislation to force an audit of the FED...do you what&#039;s going on with this...or is Frank a communist demon who is trying to destroy America?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barney Frank put forth legislation to force an audit of the FED&#8230;do you what&#39;s going on with this&#8230;or is Frank a communist demon who is trying to destroy America?</p>
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		<title>By: Scottie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scottie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 22:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I come down on the side of Horowitz in this debate, but I wish both he and Frum would check a little further than the leftist propaganda spewed on the internet that Sarah is some sort of “holy roller” religious fanatic. I have been a resident of Wasilla since 1978 and with this being a very small town, yes, we all know each other and one thing I do know is the last thing anyone who really knows this woman would describe her as, is a “holy roller.” No doubt the YouTube video of her on stage with the Kenyan minister praying over her led many to conclude this. Though I’ve never asked her, my bet is it was an awkward moment and she allowed this out of politeness, but had she known it would haunt her in a future election, she would probably have found a graceful out, just as Barack Obama probably would have done when he, no doubt in a effort to be polite, allowed himself to be photographed in Somali warrior garb during his travel to Africa.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But if this doesn’t convince you, then please explain how Alaskans found to be among the top five least religious states in the Union by a Pew Forum study would elect an overtly religious “holy roller?” It makes no more sense than most of the other idiocy disseminated by the loony left about her.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Believe it or not, Alaska&#039;s one of nation&#039;s least religious states&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://pewforum.org/news/display.php?NewsID=16401&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://pewforum.org/news/display.php?NewsID=16401&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I come down on the side of Horowitz in this debate, but I wish both he and Frum would check a little further than the leftist propaganda spewed on the internet that Sarah is some sort of “holy roller” religious fanatic. I have been a resident of Wasilla since 1978 and with this being a very small town, yes, we all know each other and one thing I do know is the last thing anyone who really knows this woman would describe her as, is a “holy roller.” No doubt the YouTube video of her on stage with the Kenyan minister praying over her led many to conclude this. Though I’ve never asked her, my bet is it was an awkward moment and she allowed this out of politeness, but had she known it would haunt her in a future election, she would probably have found a graceful out, just as Barack Obama probably would have done when he, no doubt in a effort to be polite, allowed himself to be photographed in Somali warrior garb during his travel to Africa.</p>
<p>But if this doesn’t convince you, then please explain how Alaskans found to be among the top five least religious states in the Union by a Pew Forum study would elect an overtly religious “holy roller?” It makes no more sense than most of the other idiocy disseminated by the loony left about her.  </p>
<p>Believe it or not, Alaska&#39;s one of nation&#39;s least religious states</p>
<p><a href="http://pewforum.org/news/display.php?NewsID=16401" rel="nofollow">http://pewforum.org/news/display.php?NewsID=16401</a></p>
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		<title>By: oldjarhead</title>
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		<dc:creator>oldjarhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 19:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I liked &quot;Frum is Scum&quot;! It fits--along with many other denigrating titles not meant to be expressed in these fora.   An elite &quot;RINO&quot; he is someone who actually does more harm than good by having no guts with which to call the lib community on its path to total destruction of liberty as we have known it for 233 years.  It is  NOT the likes of Beck, Ingram, Hannity, Levin, Limbaugh, Boortz, etc. creating the problem.  Thank God these folks are around to wake up the sleeping giant majority of America&#039;s population of all stripes who do NOT want their values thrown away as so much garbage.  The garbage bags of Frum, Parker, and others abandoning their conservative roots, can, and will, disappear from any meaningful public acceptance beginning as soon as 2010, when the American citizenry will have their golden opportunity to sack the Huns undermining our Constitution and our way of life that it protects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked &#8220;Frum is Scum&#8221;! It fits&#8211;along with many other denigrating titles not meant to be expressed in these fora.   An elite &#8220;RINO&#8221; he is someone who actually does more harm than good by having no guts with which to call the lib community on its path to total destruction of liberty as we have known it for 233 years.  It is  NOT the likes of Beck, Ingram, Hannity, Levin, Limbaugh, Boortz, etc. creating the problem.  Thank God these folks are around to wake up the sleeping giant majority of America&#39;s population of all stripes who do NOT want their values thrown away as so much garbage.  The garbage bags of Frum, Parker, and others abandoning their conservative roots, can, and will, disappear from any meaningful public acceptance beginning as soon as 2010, when the American citizenry will have their golden opportunity to sack the Huns undermining our Constitution and our way of life that it protects.</p>
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		<title>By: shootinggames</title>
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		<dc:creator>shootinggames</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do I think that government rationing of health care leads to the equivalent of “death panels?”&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.recoilarcade.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Shooting Games&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do I think that government rationing of health care leads to the equivalent of “death panels?”<br /><a href="http://www.recoilarcade.com/" rel="nofollow">Shooting Games</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jacob168</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob168</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 05:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is Glenn Beck good for conservatives?  The answer should be a resounding yes, for anyone attacking the Neo-Progressive Left must be supported.  This has been one of the primary reasons for so many losses by the conservative movement, attacking each other for minor variations of opinions.   &lt;br&gt;Carl von Clausewitz, the Prussian soldier who turned military historian, described politics as war by other means and the left lives up to those realities.  If freedom is to remain then there must be an opposition party willing to destroy the enemy.  Should one desire  to be loved by all then a career of another nature should be chosen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Glenn Beck good for conservatives?  The answer should be a resounding yes, for anyone attacking the Neo-Progressive Left must be supported.  This has been one of the primary reasons for so many losses by the conservative movement, attacking each other for minor variations of opinions.   <br />Carl von Clausewitz, the Prussian soldier who turned military historian, described politics as war by other means and the left lives up to those realities.  If freedom is to remain then there must be an opposition party willing to destroy the enemy.  Should one desire  to be loved by all then a career of another nature should be chosen.</p>
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		<title>By: Sapwolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sapwolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 22:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beck marches back from the fight and tosses the head of Van Jones at the feet of the GOP leaders back at camp.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;David Frum shrieks &quot;That will hurt their feelings!.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Beck fights and does it so effectively that Axelrod &amp; Co. have to now expend resources to fight him rather than others.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Beck is a huge plus to libertarians and conservatives.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Frum is a nobody and it really really irritates him that he is a nobody.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Post counts on &quot;New Majority&quot; anybody?  Go take a look.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Post counts on C4P?  Go take a look.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Frum is the most insider of insiders.  While Beck uncovers the vermin under the log, Frum should just crawl under it before Beck lowers it back down.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Frum is Scum!   Oooo that&#039;s catchy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beck marches back from the fight and tosses the head of Van Jones at the feet of the GOP leaders back at camp.</p>
<p>David Frum shrieks &#8220;That will hurt their feelings!.&#8221;</p>
<p>Beck fights and does it so effectively that Axelrod &#038; Co. have to now expend resources to fight him rather than others.</p>
<p>Beck is a huge plus to libertarians and conservatives.</p>
<p>Frum is a nobody and it really really irritates him that he is a nobody.</p>
<p>Post counts on &#8220;New Majority&#8221; anybody?  Go take a look.</p>
<p>Post counts on C4P?  Go take a look.</p>
<p>Frum is the most insider of insiders.  While Beck uncovers the vermin under the log, Frum should just crawl under it before Beck lowers it back down.</p>
<p>Frum is Scum!   Oooo that&#39;s catchy.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne101</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, Bellerophon. I agree that central banks are a sophisticated and subtle way for a group to gets its hands on the most vital part of a free society — the so-called coin of the realm and manipulate that society to the benefit of those with their hands on the levers to control interest rates and the currency. Their actions can only be understood well after the actions have occurred and the consequences are being dealt with. Longer term look at the results of the creation of the Federal Reserve over the past century of its existence. The currency has been devalued from them to now by about 95% and hold this in the context of the financial crises that have occurred over this time from the Roaring Twenties through the Great Depression and the ensuing financial crises from hen to the one we are dealing with today ... they all should be investigated to the point of discovering the ways that central banking itself lies at the center of the problems, IMO.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Your &quot;death panels&quot; insights is also right on, IMO. Even though the smoking gun of that exact phrase cannot be reproduced the described effect of the concept of death panels does logically exist. If there is to be an inclusive public health care program it will be administered by a government bureaucracy. Public health care is funded by the government and not by revenues generated by those providing the service as it properly would be in a free market type of system. All those using the public system are a cost to the system. As a cost or expense to any system, it is only logical to ask how costs can be controlled, and as this type of system evolves (or devolves) it is only logical that those costing the system the most would be considered as candidates for reducing those costs. The chronically ill and elderly use the health care system the most because they need it the most. Bureaucrats crunching numbers could logically see those costs and begin offering ways to eliminate them — so &quot;death panels&quot; are surely one way to eliminate those costing the system the most.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Bellerophon. I agree that central banks are a sophisticated and subtle way for a group to gets its hands on the most vital part of a free society — the so-called coin of the realm and manipulate that society to the benefit of those with their hands on the levers to control interest rates and the currency. Their actions can only be understood well after the actions have occurred and the consequences are being dealt with. Longer term look at the results of the creation of the Federal Reserve over the past century of its existence. The currency has been devalued from them to now by about 95% and hold this in the context of the financial crises that have occurred over this time from the Roaring Twenties through the Great Depression and the ensuing financial crises from hen to the one we are dealing with today &#8230; they all should be investigated to the point of discovering the ways that central banking itself lies at the center of the problems, IMO.</p>
<p>Your &#8220;death panels&#8221; insights is also right on, IMO. Even though the smoking gun of that exact phrase cannot be reproduced the described effect of the concept of death panels does logically exist. If there is to be an inclusive public health care program it will be administered by a government bureaucracy. Public health care is funded by the government and not by revenues generated by those providing the service as it properly would be in a free market type of system. All those using the public system are a cost to the system. As a cost or expense to any system, it is only logical to ask how costs can be controlled, and as this type of system evolves (or devolves) it is only logical that those costing the system the most would be considered as candidates for reducing those costs. The chronically ill and elderly use the health care system the most because they need it the most. Bureaucrats crunching numbers could logically see those costs and begin offering ways to eliminate them — so &#8220;death panels&#8221; are surely one way to eliminate those costing the system the most.</p>
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		<title>By: USMCSniper</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glen Beck comsiders RINOs like John McCain to be more dangerous as their catering to Democrats and Liberalism tends to be a death by a thousand cuts that by the time we realize what has happened, it is too late. Now Obama has come in with meatcleaver and woke us all up so it is easier to throw the Democrats out in 2010 and him out in 2012 - unless of course, the Republicans remani asleep at the switch and don&#039;t go after it Piranah om a blood carcass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glen Beck comsiders RINOs like John McCain to be more dangerous as their catering to Democrats and Liberalism tends to be a death by a thousand cuts that by the time we realize what has happened, it is too late. Now Obama has come in with meatcleaver and woke us all up so it is easier to throw the Democrats out in 2010 and him out in 2012 &#8211; unless of course, the Republicans remani asleep at the switch and don&#39;t go after it Piranah om a blood carcass.</p>
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		<title>By: antioli</title>
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		<dc:creator>antioli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Beck is so bad for conservatives then why do the liberals try so hard to shut him up. Actually Beck is bad for the liberals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Beck is so bad for conservatives then why do the liberals try so hard to shut him up. Actually Beck is bad for the liberals.</p>
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		<title>By: John C. Davidson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John C. Davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 02:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do these people denegrate a man (Beck) who has done so much to make common folk and the elderly aware of what is going on in Washington. If the Republican party hadn&#039;t become, well, snobbish, we would not be having this discussion.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;President Bush turned the other cheek, rather than stand by his convictions.While we fight amongst ourselves continuing to castrate one of the best messengers to benefit the cause for all Americans.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As David H. pointed out regarding the Coleman loss, we fractionalized our own candidates. It points out how splintered the Republican party has become.&lt;br&gt;The Democrats stood by their candidate even though many didn&#039;t fully realize how socialist he was, but they push him anyway. (Many now regret that now, I think.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I drew my sword in another blog and was chastized for it. Why should I join a cause if someone on my team allows the knife to pierce my heart.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In football, do you bench the quarterback for one interception forgetting the three touchdowns he made earlier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do these people denegrate a man (Beck) who has done so much to make common folk and the elderly aware of what is going on in Washington. If the Republican party hadn&#39;t become, well, snobbish, we would not be having this discussion.</p>
<p>President Bush turned the other cheek, rather than stand by his convictions.While we fight amongst ourselves continuing to castrate one of the best messengers to benefit the cause for all Americans.</p>
<p>As David H. pointed out regarding the Coleman loss, we fractionalized our own candidates. It points out how splintered the Republican party has become.<br />The Democrats stood by their candidate even though many didn&#39;t fully realize how socialist he was, but they push him anyway. (Many now regret that now, I think.)</p>
<p>I drew my sword in another blog and was chastized for it. Why should I join a cause if someone on my team allows the knife to pierce my heart.</p>
<p>In football, do you bench the quarterback for one interception forgetting the three touchdowns he made earlier.</p>
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		<title>By: Bellerophon</title>
		<link>http://frontpagemag.com/2009/09/25/is-glenn-beck-good-for-conservatives-round-two/comment-page-1/#comment-236</link>
		<dc:creator>Bellerophon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 01:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...do you really want to abolish the Federal Reserve? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yes, abolish it. At a minimum open it up for an audit. After the audit the cries for abolition will arise by themselves. The housing debacle was direct result of the Fed&#039;s monetary expansion. Let an audit show that. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Fed is an arbitrary, unaccountable force in the economy not subject to normal market forces. It is a political instrument where none should be. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Do you think the United States should have allowed Merrill Lynch, Bank of America, Wells Fargo and other banks to follow Lehman into bankruptcy in October 2008?&quot; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Absolutely! Extending the lives of these vampire banks with the blood of living banks does nothing but destroy wealth and prolong the recession, or worse, create a long term depression. Do we really need more banks that are leveraged 30 to 1? Could such leveraging have ever occurred if investors knew that the government would not bail them out? Will bailing them out discourage or promote future over leveraging? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Do you think that any cuts to Medicare amount to a death panel for grandma?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The bill has nothing as clean as a &quot;death panel&quot;. At least with a death panel you get to face your assassin. This bill has death by faceless bureaucratic procedures. Ezekial Emanuel&#039;s paper in &quot;The Lancet&quot; was quite explicit about limiting care for the elderly with exceptions (of course) for &quot;indispensable&quot; persons. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Do you think we can sustain an adequate military – never mind finance future tax reductions – if we allow healthcare to continue rising from its current 16% of GDP to a projected 20% of GDP a decade from now if nothing changes?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The military is less than 4% of GDP. These days this is little more than a rounding error.This argument is stupid at best and disingenuous at worst. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Every position that Frum holds is just progressivism lite. You cannot oppose the rapid expansion of government by saying &quot;Just go slower&quot;. It is the principles of progressivism that must be challenged, not the degree of their implementation. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Beck&#039;s real crime was to name what Obama is doing, something that Frum seems to regard as impolite and extreme. If you call North Korea&#039;s policy &quot;adjusting the population/food imbalance&quot; does make starvation any more palatable?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The magnitude of the attacks by Frum on Beck, Limbaugh and Palin is wildly out of proportion with the alleged absurdity of their ideas. If these ideas were so patently ridiculous they could be dispensed with rather easily. Instead, Frum behaves like Al Gore when challenged on man-made global warming and insists that these ideas are &quot;settled science&quot; and not debatable. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The attempt to argue by intimidation, suggesting that only knuckle dragging troglodytes could possibly oppose the wondrous Federal Reserve Board, reveals a shallowness of mind and a fear of being seen as out of the mainstream of American thought. Unfortunately, the mainstream is the monolithic liberalism that we are trying so very desperately to change.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You cannot win by accepting the enemy&#039;s principles, terminology and goals. What is needed to give no intellectual quarter, to force the argument to be fought on our terms, not theirs. Beck took on the challenge of cleaning out the Augean stables of Progressive ideas. If you don&#039;t like his cleaning methods then show us someone doing a better job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;do you really want to abolish the Federal Reserve? </p>
<p>Yes, abolish it. At a minimum open it up for an audit. After the audit the cries for abolition will arise by themselves. The housing debacle was direct result of the Fed&#39;s monetary expansion. Let an audit show that. </p>
<p>The Fed is an arbitrary, unaccountable force in the economy not subject to normal market forces. It is a political instrument where none should be. </p>
<p>&#8220;Do you think the United States should have allowed Merrill Lynch, Bank of America, Wells Fargo and other banks to follow Lehman into bankruptcy in October 2008?&#8221; </p>
<p>Absolutely! Extending the lives of these vampire banks with the blood of living banks does nothing but destroy wealth and prolong the recession, or worse, create a long term depression. Do we really need more banks that are leveraged 30 to 1? Could such leveraging have ever occurred if investors knew that the government would not bail them out? Will bailing them out discourage or promote future over leveraging? </p>
<p>&#8220;Do you think that any cuts to Medicare amount to a death panel for grandma?&#8221;</p>
<p>The bill has nothing as clean as a &#8220;death panel&#8221;. At least with a death panel you get to face your assassin. This bill has death by faceless bureaucratic procedures. Ezekial Emanuel&#39;s paper in &#8220;The Lancet&#8221; was quite explicit about limiting care for the elderly with exceptions (of course) for &#8220;indispensable&#8221; persons. </p>
<p>&#8220;Do you think we can sustain an adequate military – never mind finance future tax reductions – if we allow healthcare to continue rising from its current 16% of GDP to a projected 20% of GDP a decade from now if nothing changes?&#8221;</p>
<p>The military is less than 4% of GDP. These days this is little more than a rounding error.This argument is stupid at best and disingenuous at worst. </p>
<p>Every position that Frum holds is just progressivism lite. You cannot oppose the rapid expansion of government by saying &#8220;Just go slower&#8221;. It is the principles of progressivism that must be challenged, not the degree of their implementation. </p>
<p>Beck&#39;s real crime was to name what Obama is doing, something that Frum seems to regard as impolite and extreme. If you call North Korea&#39;s policy &#8220;adjusting the population/food imbalance&#8221; does make starvation any more palatable?</p>
<p>The magnitude of the attacks by Frum on Beck, Limbaugh and Palin is wildly out of proportion with the alleged absurdity of their ideas. If these ideas were so patently ridiculous they could be dispensed with rather easily. Instead, Frum behaves like Al Gore when challenged on man-made global warming and insists that these ideas are &#8220;settled science&#8221; and not debatable. </p>
<p>The attempt to argue by intimidation, suggesting that only knuckle dragging troglodytes could possibly oppose the wondrous Federal Reserve Board, reveals a shallowness of mind and a fear of being seen as out of the mainstream of American thought. Unfortunately, the mainstream is the monolithic liberalism that we are trying so very desperately to change.</p>
<p>You cannot win by accepting the enemy&#39;s principles, terminology and goals. What is needed to give no intellectual quarter, to force the argument to be fought on our terms, not theirs. Beck took on the challenge of cleaning out the Augean stables of Progressive ideas. If you don&#39;t like his cleaning methods then show us someone doing a better job.</p>
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		<title>By: truthout</title>
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		<dc:creator>truthout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 00:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, did you say &quot;the decline of the leftwing network news operations&quot;?  Are you finally admitting that the hegemony of a Left-controlled, &quot;liberal&quot; media are overblown?  At least you&#039;re finally right on one point.  SNAP!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, did you say &#8220;the decline of the leftwing network news operations&#8221;?  Are you finally admitting that the hegemony of a Left-controlled, &#8220;liberal&#8221; media are overblown?  At least you&#39;re finally right on one point.  SNAP!</p>
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		<title>By: MizPris</title>
		<link>http://frontpagemag.com/2009/09/25/is-glenn-beck-good-for-conservatives-round-two/comment-page-1/#comment-229</link>
		<dc:creator>MizPris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 23:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Estase, your estimate of President Bush is not accurate. To say he was an unprincipled opportunist is over the line in my estimation.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Bush was asked by the Republican Party to run in 2000. He said at the time he wanted to think about it and discuss it with his family, before he accepted. I should remind you that what conservatives like me were really upset about during his Presidency, was, his immigration reform program, and spending in general.&lt;br&gt;I should also mention Rush Limbaugh was against immigration reform as well. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;To be fair, Bush campaigned in 2000 saying he believed in a guest worker program for illegal immigrants. So we knew that when we voted for him, and when it came up during his Presidency we fought him on it, because it was more far reaching than we expected. Rush was outspoken against it himself. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I found Bush to be a principled man. The fact that I didn&#039;t agree with everything he did, doesn&#039;t change that opinion. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Having said all that, I&#039;m not an apologist for the Republican Party either. I have found them to be spineless, and too willing to buckle in the face of attacks from the democrats. Right now, they seem pretty sane, in comparison to what we&#039;re stuck with. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Frum is an elitist. People like Beck or Sarah  Palin don&#039;t measure up to Frum&#039;s mistaken image of what a conservative is or what a leader is.  In other words he&#039;s a snob, and too infected with the beltway cocktail crowd, and other elitists. He&#039;s a fairweather republican, not a conservative.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Pris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Estase, your estimate of President Bush is not accurate. To say he was an unprincipled opportunist is over the line in my estimation.</p>
<p>Bush was asked by the Republican Party to run in 2000. He said at the time he wanted to think about it and discuss it with his family, before he accepted. I should remind you that what conservatives like me were really upset about during his Presidency, was, his immigration reform program, and spending in general.<br />I should also mention Rush Limbaugh was against immigration reform as well. </p>
<p>To be fair, Bush campaigned in 2000 saying he believed in a guest worker program for illegal immigrants. So we knew that when we voted for him, and when it came up during his Presidency we fought him on it, because it was more far reaching than we expected. Rush was outspoken against it himself. </p>
<p>I found Bush to be a principled man. The fact that I didn&#39;t agree with everything he did, doesn&#39;t change that opinion. </p>
<p>Having said all that, I&#39;m not an apologist for the Republican Party either. I have found them to be spineless, and too willing to buckle in the face of attacks from the democrats. Right now, they seem pretty sane, in comparison to what we&#39;re stuck with. </p>
<p>Frum is an elitist. People like Beck or Sarah  Palin don&#39;t measure up to Frum&#39;s mistaken image of what a conservative is or what a leader is.  In other words he&#39;s a snob, and too infected with the beltway cocktail crowd, and other elitists. He&#39;s a fairweather republican, not a conservative.</p>
<p>Pris</p>
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		<title>By: Estase</title>
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		<dc:creator>Estase</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 20:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People like David Frum miss the lesson of George W. Bush.  George W. Bush was an unprincipled opportunist, and the reason that people like Rush Limbaugh are irrelevant right now is because they never called Bush on how liberal he was.  People like Michael Savage and Glenn Beck offend people like Frum because they aren&#039;t predictable apologists for the Republican establishment</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People like David Frum miss the lesson of George W. Bush.  George W. Bush was an unprincipled opportunist, and the reason that people like Rush Limbaugh are irrelevant right now is because they never called Bush on how liberal he was.  People like Michael Savage and Glenn Beck offend people like Frum because they aren&#39;t predictable apologists for the Republican establishment</p>
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