Comments on: Is Glenn Beck Good for Conservatives? Horowitz vs. Frum Round Two – By Jamie Glazov

By: Right Wing Nut House » INTELLECTUAL CONSERVATISM ISN’T DEAD: IT’S RESTING

Mon, 05 Oct 2009 16:58:01 +0000

[...] start today with an excellent defense of Glenn Beck and the populists tactics by David Horowitz, who took part in an informal “Symposium” at FrontPage.com: There are two issues here. One is a remarkable conservative outburst against the broadcaster Glenn [...]

By: gigi0102

gigi0102 — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 11:16:46 +0000

Interesting discussion. Personally, I think without Glenn Beck and Fox, the Republicans would be so disheartened and rudderless that both cap-and-tax AND socialized medicine would have simply zoomed through congress -- like the Stimulus fiasco.

And I do believe David H. is correct about politics. I too was an activist for a time. You can flawlessly logical and brilliant ideas, but unless you can convey them in a sound byte, you'll have very little impact. Most people don't have the time or the inclination to go through textbooks and plod through history. But almost everyone seems to know what's "right" -- even if they're wrong (!) A candidate has to resonate with voters on a personal level, beyond -- or below -- the intellectual.

Reagan was a brilliant politician because he was also an actor. To this day, it's much easier for me to visualize Reagan in a cowboy hat and on a horse than leading a Cabinet meeting. Yet he was one of the most conservatively pure Presidents we've ever had. Amazing.

You need a bit of the showman, the marketing package. You also need some level of rage -- whipping up that rage is a key factor in securing Obama's election.

And, as David H. also pointed out -- look who we're fighting. You can bring a knife to a gun fight if you want, if you believe it's more ethical and civil, but you probably won't win.

By: DEG426

DEG426 — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 00:36:20 +0000

I may be able to shed some light on Beck's remark about McCain. As usual the statement was taken out of the context in which it was said. He was saying that had McCain been elected, his being conservative-light, that many of the same bills and ideas would have been brought to vote. Beck pointed out that with McCain in office we probably would not be aware today of Acorn,Tides Foundation, Van Jones, the really radical black left. etc. Beck theorized that with McCain in control the outrage, the attention we are now paying to all the weasels in washington, would not be happening. Does that help ?

By: DEG426

DEG426 — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 00:26:24 +0000

great piece. Thanks David for defending Beck and his intent. Keep fighting the good fight. I know I will.
ps- I became familar with you BECAUSE of Glenn Beck.

By: bubba4

bubba4 — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 00:10:04 +0000

Barney Frank put forth legislation to force an audit of the FED…do you what's going on with this…or is Frank a communist demon who is trying to destroy America?

By: Scottie

Scottie — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 22:31:14 +0000

I come down on the side of Horowitz in this debate, but I wish both he and Frum would check a little further than the leftist propaganda spewed on the internet that Sarah is some sort of “holy roller” religious fanatic. I have been a resident of Wasilla since 1978 and with this being a very small town, yes, we all know each other and one thing I do know is the last thing anyone who really knows this woman would describe her as, is a “holy roller.” No doubt the YouTube video of her on stage with the Kenyan minister praying over her led many to conclude this. Though I’ve never asked her, my bet is it was an awkward moment and she allowed this out of politeness, but had she known it would haunt her in a future election, she would probably have found a graceful out, just as Barack Obama probably would have done when he, no doubt in a effort to be polite, allowed himself to be photographed in Somali warrior garb during his travel to Africa.

But if this doesn’t convince you, then please explain how Alaskans found to be among the top five least religious states in the Union by a Pew Forum study would elect an overtly religious “holy roller?” It makes no more sense than most of the other idiocy disseminated by the loony left about her.

Believe it or not, Alaska's one of nation's least religious states

http://pewforum.org/news/display.php?NewsID=16401

By: oldjarhead

oldjarhead — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 19:12:01 +0000

I liked “Frum is Scum”! It fits–along with many other denigrating titles not meant to be expressed in these fora. An elite “RINO” he is someone who actually does more harm than good by having no guts with which to call the lib community on its path to total destruction of liberty as we have known it for 233 years. It is NOT the likes of Beck, Ingram, Hannity, Levin, Limbaugh, Boortz, etc. creating the problem. Thank God these folks are around to wake up the sleeping giant majority of America's population of all stripes who do NOT want their values thrown away as so much garbage. The garbage bags of Frum, Parker, and others abandoning their conservative roots, can, and will, disappear from any meaningful public acceptance beginning as soon as 2010, when the American citizenry will have their golden opportunity to sack the Huns undermining our Constitution and our way of life that it protects.

By: shootinggames

shootinggames — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:29:11 +0000

Do I think that government rationing of health care leads to the equivalent of “death panels?”
Shooting Games

By: Jacob168

Jacob168 — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 05:25:13 +0000

Is Glenn Beck good for conservatives? The answer should be a resounding yes, for anyone attacking the Neo-Progressive Left must be supported. This has been one of the primary reasons for so many losses by the conservative movement, attacking each other for minor variations of opinions.
Carl von Clausewitz, the Prussian soldier who turned military historian, described politics as war by other means and the left lives up to those realities. If freedom is to remain then there must be an opposition party willing to destroy the enemy. Should one desire to be loved by all then a career of another nature should be chosen.

By: Sapwolf

Sapwolf — Sun, 27 Sep 2009 22:49:45 +0000

Beck marches back from the fight and tosses the head of Van Jones at the feet of the GOP leaders back at camp.

David Frum shrieks "That will hurt their feelings!."

Beck fights and does it so effectively that Axelrod & Co. have to now expend resources to fight him rather than others.

Beck is a huge plus to libertarians and conservatives.

Frum is a nobody and it really really irritates him that he is a nobody.

Post counts on "New Majority" anybody? Go take a look.

Post counts on C4P? Go take a look.

Frum is the most insider of insiders. While Beck uncovers the vermin under the log, Frum should just crawl under it before Beck lowers it back down.

Frum is Scum! Oooo that's catchy.

By: Wayne101

Wayne101 — Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:57:12 +0000

Well said, Bellerophon. I agree that central banks are a sophisticated and subtle way for a group to gets its hands on the most vital part of a free society — the so-called coin of the realm and manipulate that society to the benefit of those with their hands on the levers to control interest rates and the currency. Their actions can only be understood well after the actions have occurred and the consequences are being dealt with. Longer term look at the results of the creation of the Federal Reserve over the past century of its existence. The currency has been devalued from them to now by about 95% and hold this in the context of the financial crises that have occurred over this time from the Roaring Twenties through the Great Depression and the ensuing financial crises from hen to the one we are dealing with today … they all should be investigated to the point of discovering the ways that central banking itself lies at the center of the problems, IMO.

Your “death panels” insights is also right on, IMO. Even though the smoking gun of that exact phrase cannot be reproduced the described effect of the concept of death panels does logically exist. If there is to be an inclusive public health care program it will be administered by a government bureaucracy. Public health care is funded by the government and not by revenues generated by those providing the service as it properly would be in a free market type of system. All those using the public system are a cost to the system. As a cost or expense to any system, it is only logical to ask how costs can be controlled, and as this type of system evolves (or devolves) it is only logical that those costing the system the most would be considered as candidates for reducing those costs. The chronically ill and elderly use the health care system the most because they need it the most. Bureaucrats crunching numbers could logically see those costs and begin offering ways to eliminate them — so “death panels” are surely one way to eliminate those costing the system the most.

By: USMCSniper

USMCSniper — Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:24:51 +0000

Glen Beck comsiders RINOs like John McCain to be more dangerous as their catering to Democrats and Liberalism tends to be a death by a thousand cuts that by the time we realize what has happened, it is too late. Now Obama has come in with meatcleaver and woke us all up so it is easier to throw the Democrats out in 2010 and him out in 2012 – unless of course, the Republicans remani asleep at the switch and don't go after it Piranah om a blood carcass.