If wishes were prizes, they might add up to the once-prestigious award that was bestowed on President Barack Obama this morning. In what sounded initially like a send-up of his inflated celerity, Obama – on the job for all of nine months and with no accomplishments of note to his credit – was awarded the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize for seemingly nothing more than the political aspirations of global unity and “hope” on which he has yet to deliver.
The official rationale for the prize, according to the Swedish Nobel Committee, was Obama’s work to strengthen international diplomacy and eliminate nuclear weapons. But given that Obama has to date done nothing at all to further these goals – and, indeed, may have hindered the latter by indulging Iran in its dogmatic pursuit of a nuclear weapon – this appeared to be little more than high-minded window dressing. Insofar as the Nobel committee cited any tangible accomplishment by the American president, it was to laud him for capturing “the world’s attention” and giving people “hope for a better for future.” In essence, Obama has been honored for his campaign rhetoric.
Obama is not the first sitting American president to be awarded the Nobel, but he is the least deserving. Theodore Roosevelt received the prize in 1906, and Woodrow Wilson won in 1919. Yet both these presidential predecessors had done something to warrant the distinction: Roosevelt was acknowledged for successfully negotiating an end to the Russo-Japanese war; Wilson for founding the League of Nations and formulating the Treaty of Versailles. Whatever the long-term merit of these achievements – the League of Nations is now widely considered a failure – they could be considered real contributions to world peace at the time of their recognition. No such claim can be made on behalf of the Obama administration’s policies.
So conspicuously thin is Obama’s in-office résumé that even some on the Left professed shock at the committee’s selection. Writing at The Daily Beast, Peter Beinart pointed out that honoring Obama on the basis of a few speeches was a backhanded confirmation of the conservative critique of his presidency:
I like Barack Obama as much as the next liberal, but this is a farce. He’s done nothing to deserve the prize. Sure, he’s given some lovely speeches and launched some initiatives—on Iran, Israeli-Palestinian peace, climate change and nuclear disarmament—that might, if he’s really lucky and really good, make the world a more safe, more just, more peaceful world. But there’s absolutely no way to know if he’ll succeed, and by giving him the Nobel Prize as a kind of “atta boy,” the Nobel Committee is actually just highlighting the gap that conservatives have long highlighted: between Obamamania as global hype and Obama’s actual accomplishments.
Indeed, it seems Obama’s chief accomplishment, in the Nobel Committee’s eyes, is that he is not George W. Bush. Thus, without naming Bush directly, committee chairman Thorbjorn Jagland said, “Look at the level of confrontation we had just a few years ago. Now we get a man who is not only willing but probably able to open dialogue and strengthen international institutions.” Elsewhere, the committee praised Obama for creating a “new climate in international politics,” one in which “multilateral diplomacy has regained a central position.” The message was clear: Obama is not Bush.
Never mind that the Bush administration repeatedly sought multilateral solutions to foreign crises, whether in its fruitless attempt to secure UN cooperation against Saddam Hussein’s Iraq or in its commitment to working with European powers to contain Iran’s nuclear program. Never mind, too, that the Bush administration did more than its successor, at least so far, to cut nuclear weapons stockpiles. In the end, its party affiliation was uncongenial to the Nobel Committee, which has devolved into a rubber stamp for the correct (read: liberal) politics. It is no coincidence that, of the three prominent American politicians to win the Nobel in the past decade, all, including Obama, Al Gore and Jimmy Carter, have been Democrats.
Even worse than the blatant partisanship of the committee, the Nobel has become a missed opportunity to honor the truly deserving. There was no shortage of such choices among this year’s nominees, who included the likes Hu Jia, the Chinese dissident serving a three-and-a-half-year prison term on trumped-up charges of “incitement to subvert state power”; Morgan Tsvangirai, the longtime foe of Zimbabwean dictator Robert Mugabe who has suffered relentless harassment from the regime’s thugs, and whose wife was killed this March in a suspicious car accident that occurred just days after he had become prime minister in a power sharing deal; and Sima Simar, the Afghan human-rights activist whose campaign to bring attention to the plight of Afghan women, as well as her outspoken opposition to Islamic practices requiring women to be kept in seclusion and to wear the burqa have made her a target for Taliban terrorists. All have done more than President Obama to advance the cause of human rights. All could have used the recognition and financial resources that come with the prize more than the articulate but unaccomplished leader of the world’s most powerful country.
It is, of course, not President Obama’s fault that he was chosen for the award, and he was appropriately humble in his acceptance. “To be honest, I do not feel that I deserve to be in the company of so many of the transformative figures who have been honored by this prize,” the president said, observing that he did not view it “as a recognition of my own accomplishments.” And it’s hard to credit the claim that this year’s choice has diminished the award – an award whose past recipients, after all, have included unrepentant terrorist Yasir Arafat. But even by these historically low standards, the 2009 award was unique: It provided a reason to dismiss the significance of the Nobel Peace Prize even for those who like its winner.
The Nobel committee is making the Nobel less of anything to be proud of. I guess the “Progressives” have taken that over, too. To say that there was no one else in the world who deserved this more is quite a slap in the face of even one mere corporal on the ground in Afghanistan. Sometimes merely living in lalaland and talking pretty words is not enough. In fact, it is downright harmful to those who seek to live in reality and deal with reality on its own terms. As more people become aware how BHO actually won this last election I hope he gets awarded a more apt award. Sleezebag of the year, perhaps?
No one gets it. The Nobel Peace Prize is a $1,300,000.00 bribe offered at a point when Obama is considering crucial decisions about Afganistan and Iran. How can a recipiant order an Iraq like surge in Afganistan or decide to use the military option on Iran and accept the prize OR THE MONEY?
Mmm, mmm, mmm!
Barack Insane Obama
He said that all must lend a hand and
turn our country into banana land.
Mmm, mmm, mmm!
Barack Insane Obama
He said we must be fair today
and give the lazy half our pay.
Mmm, mmm, mmm!
Barack Insane Obama
He said that we must take a stand
and take our money from the “man”.
Mmm, mmm, mmm!
Barack Insane Obama
He said red, yellow, black or white
all commies are equal in his sight
Mmm, mmm, mmm!
Barack Insane Obama
Yes We Can — single payer is our plan
to devastate the mother land.
Mmm, mmm, mmm!
Barack Insane Obama
What's more, nominations closed on February 1, 2009. Obama had been in office two weeks.
You don't get it. Obama's “accomplishments” are more than the duties that he has performed as US Pres. In the past year, which included the presidential campaign, Barak Obama did more to represent the attributes that the Nobel Peace Prize signifies than anyone else in the world. Nothing more, nothing less. Is it a great accomplishment? I don't know. It's been 90 years since a US Pres has done this, but in the meantime, there have been at least a couple of questionable selections. you protest too much
They have changed the name of this so-called prize. It is now know as The Noble Pizza Prize. And, you win a free pizza for having the most Body Odor, and BO wins. He gets a free pizza, no toppings, you must be a bigger Bozo than Bozo to get toppings, Well, if BO keeps going he can win the pizza next year with toppings.
President Obama was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize between January 20 (Obama's inauguration) and February 1 (deadline for nominations for the 2009 Prize), twelve days after Obama's inauguration. Who nominated him?
Who supported his candidacy?
Paulneville, you got it.
I wonder how long it will take someone in the press to realize that the prize was awarded less than two weeks after General McChrystal said that he needed a lot more troops in Iraq.
If Obama increases the troop level and with it the battlefield action then he risks becoming the first man in history to have his Nobel Prize revoked. He is too weak psychologically to withstand that kind of humiliation on a global stage. Everyone outside of the US recognizes Obama's basic insecurity and they all intend to exploit it.
Sarkozy isn't fooled, neither is Merkel. Only the US press remains under the spell of this man who isn't anything, never was anything and never will be anything.
If fact checking an SNL skit doesn't prove how stupefied the press is, then what will?
I worked last night and saw this announcement at 4AM. I honestly thought I mis-read the news caption. This is so absurd it's funny. (to me anyway) But altogether, this has been such a strange year that I guess I shouldn't have been surprized. Pigs will be flying soon. I can just sense it.
Just “PHUCK BARAK”
To be put in the company of Arafat is no honor, regardless of the money; The things that are highly esteemed among men are an abomination to God.
Some of the analysis yesterday was that the Nobel committee had emasculated the President to prevent him from increasing troop strength in Afghanistan or taking any kind of military action against Iran.
I don't think the award will be revoked as Bellerophon notes below, but the next few weeks will be interesting as The One™ figures out what to do and how to continue to vote 'present.'
Welcome to the real world, Mr. President.
Like the US dollar, the Nobel Prize is diminishing in stature. It is clear that the Nobel Prize committee has Bush derangement syndrome. Since being elected president a Nobel Prize has been awarded to Jimmy Carter, Al Gore, Paul Krugman and now Barrack Obama. If Roman Polanski denounces Bush loudly enough between now and February 1st perhaps he can win one next year.
I agree with the author about the nomination of Obama, but it was not the Swedish Nobel Committee but the Norwegian who chose Obama.
Without being paranoiac (at least in my opinion), the true reason for awarding Obama the ADVANCED Nobel Peace Prize looks very much like a 'down payment' for services to be rendered by the current U.S. Administration, in the near future, to the special interest groups that financed the deal.
A thorough investigation of each member of the Nobel Peace Prize Selection Committee is certain to reveal a number of very interesting details – mostly of a pecuniary type.
It is common knowledge, even among the most ignorant individuals, that foreign crisis and problems (and there are many) cannot be solved by nice speeches and much less by civilized exchange of ideas.
Try talking Iran into giving up its nuclear dreams or North Korea, for that matter. Try to convince Palestinians and their many Muslim allies to recognize reality – in the
form of a fabulously successful and democratic State of Israel. Or solving the Iraq
and Afghanistan deadlock through peaceful means. Or dealing with African massacres of civil population in an efficient way, by ending them once and for all through “negotiations” – the same approach that has been used for decades while the body count of civilians has been going through the roof.
A Nobel Peace Prize laureate that is the Commander-in-Chief of the most powerful nation on earth CAN NOT or SHOULD NOT use “other” methods, incompatible with his “advanced recognition”. Therefore, the status quo will be maintained in all these areas for the forthcoming four or eight years – which is the purpose of this highly ridiculous 2009 Nobel Peace Prize exercise.
And now, anyone (the RNC in particular) who criticizes this awarding is an Al Queda sympathizer or worse, so says the DNC. Considering that conservatives (or other than leftists even) have been labeled everything else (Nazis, angry mobs, unAmerican, racists, etc, etc.) I guess it's time to play the ultimate trump card of trump cards and call us all terrorists. What insight and keen analysis!
The dumbing down of America!
gift ideas
I think it is more than “he is not George W. Bush” – I think it is a committee made up of communists/socialists/statists who want to push their agenda. Only this award to BO exceeds the silliness of last year's award to Gore.
Thanks Sniper. Great post.
mmm, mmm, mmm What a great propaganda tool that is. It's even better than “I was for the war before I was against it.”
That Obama was awarded the prize has nothing to do with Bush, and everything to do with Europe's envy and hatred of America. Obama, like the Europe, would see America weakened economically and militarily to the status of a 3rd world country; because we are, after all, just one among many. The prize is an affirmation of Obama's “hope and change” for America. The “hope and change” that Europe and America's leftists can all get behind.
Good analysis which us almost the same as Laura Ingraham's.
I say we more then likely can follow the Georgie “porgie” Soros money trail on this one….What Georgie wants Georgie gets..He did move the Obama's to the East Side right into the White House..
Well we're movin on up,
To the east side.
To a Big White House in D.C..
Movin on up,
To the east side.
We finally got a piece of the pie.
Fish don't fry in the kitchen;
Beans don't burn on the grill.
Took a whole lotta tryin',
Just to get up that hill.
Now we're up in the big leagues,
Gettin' our turn at bat.
As long as we live, it's you and me baby,
There ain't nothin wrong with that.
Just like the Swiss to be on the side of extremists, such as with the Nazis during WWII.
In my opinion, honoring Obama for apologizing all over the place and making the United States of America look like sissy boys, sends the wrong message. George Bush should have gotten the peace prize, if only because he kept the terrorists from striking New York again, or because he led the coalition that put an end to Saddam's terror, or because he had the balls to stand up to North Korea and China, and Iran.
To give it to Obama, is insulting the rest of the people who have legitimately been awarded the prize (With the exception of Carter, who's a putz.)
What's next? Is Yassar Arafat going to get it, even as he lobs missiles into Israel, or is the Iranian President, who's threatened to destroy Israel, or is North Korea, even though they torture people, or is China, even though they imprison people for just speaking out?
As of today, the Honorable, Nobel prizes are useless as the United Nations, and the only thing important, I guess, is the million dollar prize that comes with it.
Nobel would be rolling over in his grave.
Excellent piece of work Here! Thank you USMC Sniper!
Well, if the Brits can lump Michael Savage in with skin heads and Islamic terrorists, why not lump Barry O in with Yassir Arafat?
So the President is awarded the Peace Prize!
Whats next the Congressional Medal of Honor
for being the first Black Commander in Chief?
Cant wait to hear his war stories.
According to Nobel's will, the Peace Prize should be awarded “to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses.”
let's see– troop reduction in Iraq, the meeting in Cairo, and his peace negotiations between the Palestinians and Israel.
Norway is a neutral country!
Sorry to have to blow your conspiracy theory out the door.
According to Nobel's will, the Peace Prize should be awarded “to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses.”
So which “Sleezebag” on the Republican side would deserve this prize more than Obama?
Glen Beck?
Bla hahahahahahaha
It is ok though to be in the company of Carter and Gore???
Listen here dumb ass, there are no plans to attack Iran — not by Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush jr, or Obama.
Also, Norway and the committee that nominates the candidates are neutral and they went through a great deal of trouble to make it that way.
Anything and everything is subject to some FPM jackoff conspiracy theory when it doesn't involve any conservative jackoff in office.
Obama is continuing Bush policies in Iraq, he has continued rendition, gitmo is still open (thank God), his speech in Cairo was a big suck-up to to Iran-which was roundly ridiculed and rejected and his”peace” negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians are nothing more than a rejection of Israel which will lead to another crisis. The only thing Obama can do reasonably well is read a telepromptor, as long as it's loaded correctly.
Are you sure it was Soro's money that got Obama elected?
Maybe it had more to do with the fact that Americans fired the Republican Party over the mishandling of the Iraqi and Afghanistan war, the Federal budget going through the roof top and the stock market crash in October 2008 under Bush's watch, or the massive corruption scandals by Republican congressmen!
Are you sure it didn't have anything to do with the Americans getting tired of being lied to from a bold face liar with a shitty grin on his face?
Your racist smug tone and lyrics basically underlines everything I stated
According to Nobel's will, the Peace Prize should be awarded “to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses.”
In stating the scope of award, maybe you can suggest a better candidate sense your piggy's might take off sooner than later.
Really, if you know someone that fits that scope better than Obama — please share it!
Swedish, Norwegian — what's the difference to Ladkin?
If you are other than a Jew/conservative, you must be a socialist therefore you must be a communist and therefore you must hate Israel and therefore you are a terrorist.
Sweden and Norway are neutral countries and one of them honor's peace — that, in Ladkin's book makes them terrorists.
I'm not sure who put up the money, but I do bekieve that they hired “Acorn” to make sure all the living and non-living got the opportunity to vote a few times, like they did in the Al Franken case. Just my opinion.
Nobel – to stop him from sending troops to Afganistan…heck, withdraw from it and Iraq, give up on Iran – BECAUSE it is PEACE prize…..Shame!!!
If he had some honor left, he has to refuse it!
NO — he isn't continuing Bush's policies. Obama was elected by the American people to discontinue Bush's policies: Obama's policies are to open dialog with all sides regardless of varying opinions. Bush's policy was not to negotiate with “terrorists” in which who is a terrorist is subjective. Sense Bush was a puppet to Israel/oil mongers within his party — labeling all who don't have Israels best intentions as a priority must be a terrorist sponsoring state. So your opinion of the Cairo speech of being a “suck-up” is a unsubstantiated claim distorted on thin air theories of nothing.
Rejection of Israel? hardly! putting American interest before Israel's is not rejection but rather asserting our national interests. Thank God for that!!!
We don't need to fulfill prophesy — God will take care of that.
As described in prophecy, which we can't control, it will be Russia from the North and China from the East that will fill the valley with blood.
So stop playing God and put U.S. interest first. It may be another 10000 years before the return of the Messiah.
Israel can take care of itself — it has a nuclear arsenal and no M.E. country is interested in suicide.
Regarding Obama being telepromptor, that is a lot more than I can say about George W. who can't even speak or think right in front of the camera regardless.
Neither party has a shortage of PAC money.
AlFranken1 and bubba4 want Obambi to be elected the President of The World because they both have tingleleg for Obambi. These two guys are too stupid to even suspect that they are stupid. What a couple of pussafied panty waists these two girlymans are.
Mr. Franken,
How has Obama done any of what you state above? The most or best work between nations? I few months Obama has accomplished that? I must have sneezed during that and missed it. Telling the rest of the world that America is not a Judeo/Christian nation? That's news. Even the atheists think it is. Telling the Muslim world that we would never go to war against Islam? I work very hard to do just that. I am at war against Islam. I cannot think of a more disgusting excuse for man's relationship to a god than that. I'm not going to offer any examples since you obviously have access to the internet. The ABOLITION or reduction of standing armies? No. The armies are still there in the world. There has been no reduction unless you are specifically referring to the “gradual” pull out taking place in Iraq, but that is it an abolition or reduction of a standing army? No. That's a removal from a place in a time frame. He is pretty much following the policy and time frame laid out before he was in office. Not much new there. Holding and promoting peace? How does extending an olive branch to the Palestinians or Iran promote peace? All it says to me is that he is giving permission, to these others who brag about their love of war and death, by being so complacent about the status-quo. If you really want to insure peace you take the Palestinians and Iranis to task on what needs to be done so there will be peace, except that's not what they want. They've made that more than clear. What good does holding a peace conference do with people like that? Or, does merely going through the motions satisfy your requirement?
The part where you say, “Really, if you know someone that fits that scope better than Obama …” Just about anyone. The qualifications are that one needs to be in reality instead of the land of wishful thinking. If all anyone had to do is sit down and prove that, hey, we're not bad guys after all and WE really want to be friends and we can work this out through negotiation, blah, blah, blah then there would already be peace on earth. When you are up against brain-washed-from-birth religious fanatics who follow a necrophiliac god that demands that they kill, kill, kill until there is no religion but Islam your chances of getting through to them are between nil and zero. You, buddy, are in the land next to brain cell 32 and 31 and 33 have died. Are you one of those guys who after all is said and done and everything you are being warned about happens that goes, “But, I didn't even see it coming” or are you just practicing Taqiyya? Maybe you want all the s*** to hit the fan because you are an anarchist?
DURING THE PAST SIX MONTHS OR SO I HAVE REGULARY WRITTEN THAT BARACK OBAMA IS A MESSIAH, MESSIANIC .EMPEROR , ARROGANT DICTATORIAL AND SELFRIGHTEOUS ELITE . .ON FRIDAY MORNING THE NINTH 09 DAY OF OCTOBER 2009 AFTER WAKING UP AT 6 .17 AM NEW YORK CITY TIME . MY COMMENTS AND OR STATEMENTS AFOREMENTIONED WERE CONFIRMED BY THE NOBLE PEACE PRIZE INSTITUTE . WITH THE AWARDING OF THE NOBLE PEACE PRIZE SOCALLED TO BARACK OBAMA . SHOULD I CONTINUE IN A WAY IT IS IRRELEVANT AS THE ELITE RADICAL RICH WEALTHY POWERFUL LIE-BERALS FROM ALL THE SECTORS AND OR FACETS OF SOCIETY ESPECIALLY SO IN THE FINANCIAL INDUSTRY ON WALL STREET AND THE STILL ALTHOUGH NOW DEFUNCT MAIN STREAM MEDIA OF THE FOURTH ESTATE WITH THE NEW YORK TIMES AND NBC UNIVERSAL MEDIA SUBSIDIARY OF THE WORST MOST REVERE GLORIOUS COMPANY THE GENERAL ELECTRIC CORPORATION DURING THE TENURE OF THE THEN FORMER CHAIRMAN AND CEO MR JACK WELCH . BUT CURRENTLY A RADICAL LIE-BERAL LEFTWING HEAD WITH JEMMY HEMMIT . THESE TWO ALONE WITH MSNBC AS THE MOST DISGRACEFUIL SOCALLED NEWS ENTITY CAN ANYONE CURB THE JOURNALISM FRAUDS AND CRIMINALITIES BEING PERPETUATED BY SUCH TO THE UNREAD UNEDUCATED AND UNINFORMED AMERICANS I DO NOT THINK SO . AS KNOWLEDGE IS POWER AND THE SHARING OF KNOWLEDGE TRUTHFULLY IS EMPOWERMENT . TO QUOTE . UNQUOTE . MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE BARACK OBAMA?S CHEERLEADERS IN THE FOURTH ESTATE MAIN STREAM MEDIA FRATERNITY DO NOT ENGAGE AND OR SETFORTH IN THEIR NEWS THIS CARDINAL DOCTRINE OF KNOWLEDGE THAT IS TRUTHFULL RATHER THEY SET OUT GOSSIPS CHIT CHATS MISINFORMATION OPINION AND GUT FEELINGS AS ONE OF THEIR LIE-BERAL PROFESSORS AT A UNIVERSITY SUGGESTED AND TOUTED THAT WHICH THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY MUST ENGAGE WITH TO WIN ELECTIONS NOT THE FACTS . LETS TAKE THE TIME WARNERS AND NEWSWEEKS MAGAZINES OF WHICH I HAVE LONG AGO DISCONTINUED TO READ . THEY HAVE SINCE BARACK OBAMA CAME ON THE PRESIDENTIAL SCENE PLACED HIM ON THEIR FRONT COVERS MORE THAN TWENTY TIMES . WE ARE LOST . MORE TO COME TREVOR MERCHANT SATURDAY OCTOBER 10.2009
I haven't read all comments so this may already have been pointed out: The “Nobel Peace Prize” is awarded by a NORWEGIAN committee in Oslo, that is unconnected (except by endowment) to the Swedish committee which determines the other awardees. I understand that currently, this Norwegian Committee consists of current and/or past members of the Norwegian Communist Party and/or its Marxist successors. They do not represent “World Opinion”. They are dedicated to forming, influencing, and controlling it. An examination of recent era awardees suggests that Obama is in some pretty dubious company chosen by these left wing radicals. (Al Gore, Yasser Arafat, etc.)
How about the Nobel Piss Prize – because it aint even worth that much : D
Stupid is making 3rd grade name calling — that is the level of your intellect. In the short time you have been trolling here, all you can do is copy/paste boring articles and make remarks with substance or clarification.
Another thing change your screen name, you're an embarrassment to the Marine Corp,
You are not an embarrassment to Al Franken.
You should re-read your post before you hit send STUPID!!! Tell you what – Why don't you and Bubbles pour yourself a cold one and jumped into that nice hot Jacuzzi together? We'll call it Slugovian Stew. No meat, no potatoes, no veggies, just a couple of stewed dicks. Limp ones at that.
you:
“How has Obama done any of what you state above?”
me:
I’m not sure that he has done all stated above but he has done the context of the scope as a Senator, Presidential Candidate, and President: As a Senator, he was one of the leading Senators of investigating the torture tactics directed by the Bush Administration, and troop reduction in Iraq among other things. As a Presidential candidate, it was the help of his constituents that promoted his platform as a candidate of delivering his foreign policies regarding the M.E.. As a President, he has delivered on his promise with his meeting in Cairo, and reduction of forces in Iraq.
Most of us understand that the Iraqi war was a huge mistake and fallacy. By reducing our forces in Iraq and sending more troops to Afghanistan, we are fulfilling our intent for 9/11 — to fight terrorists.
Regarding today’s policy in Iraq, that isn’t an extension of the Bush Administration, it is the extension of the American people through representation and these people voted Obama in. Bush gets no credit for Iraq. The only thing he gets credit for is running up our Federal Deficit on a wasteful war and giving 700 billion dollar bonus to the crooks who destroyed our economy. At least Obama’s stimulus is an investment in the American people. What is Bush’s? Oil? Putting Iraqi construction workers to work? Thanks a lot Bush!!!
you:
“The most or best work between nations? I few months Obama has accomplished that? I must have sneezed during that and missed it.”
me:
Obama and his Administration and the people that helped get him elected have created a framework of lasting peace. That is a huge accomplishment
You have been “sneezing” the entire Bush Administration. What you refuse to see is the huge difference between the two administrations. Bush was extremely ineffective and he made the M.E. more dangerous than it ever has. You can’t just focus on Obama you have to look at how Bush destroyed it and where we are today.
you:
“Telling the rest of the world that America is not a Judeo/Christian nation? That's news. Even the atheists think it is.”
me:
Everyone knows that this is a Judeo/Christian nation especially Obama! We are in the business of stabilizing the M.E. and disarming the terrorist with the destructive rhetoric that Bush “””gave””” our enemies such as proclaiming a “crusade”…
If I told your Children that Santa Clause is coming would you tell me that Santa doesn’t exist? It doesn’t matter if Santa exists, it is about Children enjoying the innocence of their childhood and the excitement of the most special morning. When they grow up and become intellectually and emotionally mature, they will be able to absorb the real meaning of Christmas and the purpose of giving.
So why to you have a problem with us giving rhetoric to the Middle East people for the purpose of disarming hatred towards us?
I think this strategy is way too deep for you to understand. Maybe you should read the “Art of War” from Sun-tzu in which the best war won is the one in which you don’t need to go to battle.
That brings my main point about you:
you:
“Telling the Muslim world that we would never go to war against Islam?”
and
“I work very hard to do just that. I am at war against Islam.”
and
“I cannot think of a more disgusting excuse for man's relationship to a god than that.”
me:
Those statements make you the enemy! Your not interested in peace and your just as much a fanatic as those men who strap bombs on children. You would have to, and probably willing to, go that far to beat them at their own game.
You are a stupid fool that is more dangerous to your own children and grandchildren than any terrorist could be!
For you to attempt to understand my country's policy and strategy is beyond you. It would be like trying to explain to a Nazi that Jews are humans or explaining to a skinhead that Blacks are not the enemy. Essentially, we would have to go and kill you just like we killed the Nazi’s or put you in prison just like the thousands of skinheads already there.
Why do even waste your time trying to figure out the Nobel Peace Prize?
It’s not in your nature?
The only thing you would understand is a bullet in your head.
you:
“I'm not going to offer any examples since you obviously have access to the internet.”
me:
Because you don’t have any examples – be honest. There isn’t many candidates for Nobel Peace Prize.
you:
“The ABOLITION or reduction of standing armies? No. The armies are still there in the world.
There has been no reduction unless you are specifically referring to the “gradual” pull out taking place in Iraq,”
me:
You are taking the entire paragraph out of context. Bad manipulative Christian Pastors do that with Bible verses — they take one verse and put what they want it to mean by adding and subtracting Christ intentions before and after his words.
You have to take the life of Christ into context with his words. Adolf Hitler was very good at twisting the words of Christ.
Your evil intentions are obvious.
you:
“but that is it an abolition or reduction of a standing army? No.”
me:
It is the fermentation of reduction of armies through his actions and policies. Huge distortion on your part.
you:
“ That's a removal from a place in a time frame. He is pretty much following the policy and time frame laid out before he was in office.”
me:
The Democratic policies before he became elected along with this election platform put these policies in place. You think Bush would have done it on his own or the Democratic congress would sign a spending bill without these conditions of withdrawal? GET REAL!
It was the facilitation of his campaign and his work as a Senator that made these policies possible As a President, he has put these policies into action.
you:
“ Not much new there. Holding and promoting peace? How does extending an olive branch to the Palestinians or Iran promote peace?”
me:
Again, this isn’t possible for you to understand. You simply will refuse to admit that their land was taken from them. Idiots like you use the ancient idea that these people don’t even exist and bla bla bla.
I’m a Christian man and like many others, we realize that the British Mandate was a huge mistake. If we didn’t create the state of Israel, there would be peace in Israel and Arabs and Jews would be co-existing together peacefuly in this land of Palestine. But no, we had to give to a bunch of greedy Jews who want more!!
you:
“All it says to me is that he is giving permission, to these others who brag about their love of war and death,”
me:
That is a stupid statement
you:
by being so complacent about the status-quo. If you really want to insure peace you take the Palestinians and Iranis to task on what needs to be done so there will be peace, except that's not what they want. They've made that more than clear. What good does holding a peace conference do with people like that? Or, does merely going through the motions satisfy your requirement?
The part where you say, “Really, if you know someone that fits that scope better than Obama …” Just about anyone. The qualifications are that one needs to be in reality instead of the land of wishful thinking. If all anyone had to do is sit down and prove that, hey, we're not bad guys after all and WE really want to be friends and we can work this out through negotiation, blah, blah, blah then there would already be peace on earth. When you are up against brain-washed-from-birth religious fanatics who follow a necrophiliac god that demands that they kill, kill, kill until there is no religion but Islam your chances of getting through to them are between nil and zero. You, buddy, are in the land next to brain cell 32 and 31 and 33 have died. Are you one of those guys who after all is said and done and everything you are being warned about happens that goes, “But, I didn't even see it coming” or are you just practicing Taqiyya? Maybe you want all the s*** to hit the fan because you are an anarchist?
me:
The only antichrist here is you! Christ represents peace.
This is nothing more than the trashing of America, trying to bring our country on a par with the third world. Obama is getting an award for dinegrating his own country just like the the other nitwits: Al Gore, Jimmy Carter et als. Obama has been bad -mouthing his own country for months, long before 1/21/09.
Mr. Franken,
Your last diatribe to me only proved what I was saying. I was wrong about only one thing. Brain cell #32 is indeed deceased. You and bubbles are in the land of make believe. On another blog I saw where you criticized someone for merely ranting and using name calling. I believe ranting and name calling is what I just saw. Trying to hold an intelligent discussion with you would be like making peace in the middle east. You are beyond merely stupid and uninformed, you are rabidly dangerous. You see one and one and somehow you managed to come up with three. You really are too stupid for me to say another thing to you. It is a waste of time. Say hello to Bubbles for me. Maybe you can wash each others' backs since you bathe together. By the way, just a warning, I'm told that Bubbles pees in the tub.