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		<title>By: Anette Foppiano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anette Foppiano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to hijack this thread, but  I need Clovis Dental and I don&#039;t know where to look has anyone heard of this a good Clovis Dental?  They&#039;re based out of Clovis, near my home I can&#039;t find reviews on them -- Clovis Dental, 510 4th St, Clovis, CA 93612 - (559) 898-2082</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to hijack this thread, but  I need Clovis Dental and I don&#8217;t know where to look has anyone heard of this a good Clovis Dental?  They&#8217;re based out of Clovis, near my home I can&#8217;t find reviews on them &#8212; Clovis Dental, 510 4th St, Clovis, CA 93612 &#8211; (559) 898-2082</p>
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		<title>By: Taylor Bartosik</title>
		<link>http://frontpagemag.com/2009/10/15/bashing-columbus-by-mark-d-tooley/comment-page-1/#comment-2171437</link>
		<dc:creator>Taylor Bartosik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This may not be the best place to ask this, but,  I want Clovis Dental and I can&#039;t figure out how to find them do you know anything about this Clovis Dental?  Its located in Clovis, only 15 minutes from me I can&#039;t find reviews on them -- Clovis Dental, 510 4th St, Clovis, CA 93612 - (559) 898-2082</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may not be the best place to ask this, but,  I want Clovis Dental and I can&#8217;t figure out how to find them do you know anything about this Clovis Dental?  Its located in Clovis, only 15 minutes from me I can&#8217;t find reviews on them &#8212; Clovis Dental, 510 4th St, Clovis, CA 93612 &#8211; (559) 898-2082</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald Voshell</title>
		<link>http://frontpagemag.com/2009/10/15/bashing-columbus-by-mark-d-tooley/comment-page-1/#comment-2171423</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerald Voshell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to hijack this thread, but  I need a Dental in Clovis and I can&#039;t figure out where to look do you have any info on this Clovis Dental?  Its based out of Clovis, not far from my office I can&#039;t find reviews on them -- Clovis Dental, 510 4th St, Clovis, CA 93612 - (559) 898-2082</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to hijack this thread, but  I need a Dental in Clovis and I can&#8217;t figure out where to look do you have any info on this Clovis Dental?  Its based out of Clovis, not far from my office I can&#8217;t find reviews on them &#8212; Clovis Dental, 510 4th St, Clovis, CA 93612 &#8211; (559) 898-2082</p>
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		<title>By: Florencio Imming</title>
		<link>http://frontpagemag.com/2009/10/15/bashing-columbus-by-mark-d-tooley/comment-page-1/#comment-2171367</link>
		<dc:creator>Florencio Imming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to hijack this thread, but  I need a good Clovis Dental and I have not idea who is good and who is not do you have any info on this a Dental in Clovis?  They&#039;re based out of Clovis, not far from me I can&#039;t find reviews on them -- Clovis Dental, 510 4th St, Clovis, CA 93612 - (559) 898-2082</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to hijack this thread, but  I need a good Clovis Dental and I have not idea who is good and who is not do you have any info on this a Dental in Clovis?  They&#8217;re based out of Clovis, not far from me I can&#8217;t find reviews on them &#8212; Clovis Dental, 510 4th St, Clovis, CA 93612 &#8211; (559) 898-2082</p>
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		<title>By: Dreama Osborn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dreama Osborn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to hijack this thread, but  I want a good Clovis Dental and I can&#039;t figure out who is good and who is not do you know anything about this Clovis Dental?  They&#039;re address is in Clovis, only 15 minutes from my office I can&#039;t find reviews on them -- Clovis Dental, 510 4th St, Clovis, CA 93612 - (559) 898-2082</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to hijack this thread, but  I want a good Clovis Dental and I can&#8217;t figure out who is good and who is not do you know anything about this Clovis Dental?  They&#8217;re address is in Clovis, only 15 minutes from my office I can&#8217;t find reviews on them &#8212; Clovis Dental, 510 4th St, Clovis, CA 93612 &#8211; (559) 898-2082</p>
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		<title>By: Krysten Gaschke</title>
		<link>http://frontpagemag.com/2009/10/15/bashing-columbus-by-mark-d-tooley/comment-page-1/#comment-2090916</link>
		<dc:creator>Krysten Gaschke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 15:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This may not be the best place to ask this, but,  I&#039;m looking for a dentist in clovis and I can&#039;t figure out how to find them do you have any info on this a dentist in clovis?  They&#039;re based out of Clovis, not far from my home I can&#039;t find reviews on them -- Clovis Dental, 510 4th St, Clovis, CA 93612 - (559) 898-2082</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may not be the best place to ask this, but,  I&#8217;m looking for a dentist in clovis and I can&#8217;t figure out how to find them do you have any info on this a dentist in clovis?  They&#8217;re based out of Clovis, not far from my home I can&#8217;t find reviews on them &#8212; Clovis Dental, 510 4th St, Clovis, CA 93612 &#8211; (559) 898-2082</p>
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		<title>By: Aishah Bowron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aishah Bowron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Apr 2011 19:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christopher Columbus is a thief and an evil genocidal murderer </description>
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		<title>By: Reading Ash</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reading Ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember libraries were burnt? Who knows there were not a copy of native American &quot;Dialogues&quot; by a native American Plato? </description>
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		<title>By: Non-white</title>
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		<dc:creator>Non-white</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 09:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought the biggest genocide against own race is conducted by Europe in WWII. 
When you talk &quot;Western countries&quot;, you are talking of &quot;middle countries&quot;, sandwiched by God between Asians and Native Americans, don&#039;t you? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought the biggest genocide against own race is conducted by Europe in WWII.<br />
When you talk &quot;Western countries&quot;, you are talking of &quot;middle countries&quot;, sandwiched by God between Asians and Native Americans, don&#039;t you?</p>
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		<title>By: Aishah Bowron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aishah Bowron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Oct 2010 11:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why celebrate a genocidal mass murderer ?. Christopher Columbus is a genocidal mass murderer. He exploited, enslaved, killed and butchered millions of innocent Indians. He called the people Indians because he thought he was in the East Indies ( modern day Indonesia). The uneducated Italian couldn&#039;t tell The Americas from Asia ?. What an idiot !. The damn bastard also stole lands and gold from the Indians !. I want an abolition of Columbus Day for my next birthday (April 11th) present please !. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why celebrate a genocidal mass murderer ?. Christopher Columbus is a genocidal mass murderer. He exploited, enslaved, killed and butchered millions of innocent Indians. He called the people Indians because he thought he was in the East Indies ( modern day Indonesia). The uneducated Italian couldn&#39;t tell The Americas from Asia ?. What an idiot !. The damn bastard also stole lands and gold from the Indians !. I want an abolition of Columbus Day for my next birthday (April 11th) present please !.</p>
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		<title>By: joelmontes</title>
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		<dc:creator>joelmontes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 03:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sir, not sure if you know about the Papal Bulls issued by Pope Alexander (Davenport, European Treaties bearing on the History of the United States and its Dependencies to 1648) which only recognized territory claimed by Christian Nations. They are clear about the &quot;subjugation&quot; of &quot;discovered&quot; people. Indigenous Americans had no property or individual rights. They were considered subhuman too. The only way this issue could be resolved is to apply Christian moral principles to the actions of the &quot;conquerors&quot; and &quot;natives&quot;.  Both would be indicted as less than Christian. As a matter of ethical culpability, wouldn&#039;t Christian nations bare more moral wrong because they had the &quot;truth&quot;.  Your logic would also implicate America. Would the brutality of a conquering nation over America be &quot;justified&quot; because we too murder the innocent by the millions?  If pagan America deserved the millions of death by war, starvation, and famine, I pray for God&#039;s mercy on modern America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sir, not sure if you know about the Papal Bulls issued by Pope Alexander (Davenport, European Treaties bearing on the History of the United States and its Dependencies to 1648) which only recognized territory claimed by Christian Nations. They are clear about the &#8220;subjugation&#8221; of &#8220;discovered&#8221; people. Indigenous Americans had no property or individual rights. They were considered subhuman too. The only way this issue could be resolved is to apply Christian moral principles to the actions of the &#8220;conquerors&#8221; and &#8220;natives&#8221;.  Both would be indicted as less than Christian. As a matter of ethical culpability, wouldn&#39;t Christian nations bare more moral wrong because they had the &#8220;truth&#8221;.  Your logic would also implicate America. Would the brutality of a conquering nation over America be &#8220;justified&#8221; because we too murder the innocent by the millions?  If pagan America deserved the millions of death by war, starvation, and famine, I pray for God&#39;s mercy on modern America.</p>
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		<title>By: sflbib</title>
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		<dc:creator>sflbib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fly Columbus&#039; flags at my house every Oct. 12.</description>
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		<title>By: gatekeeper96740</title>
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		<dc:creator>gatekeeper96740</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://first-americans.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://first-americans.blogspot.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;no problem.We have been trained to dismiss this type of info. &lt;br&gt;Cognitive Dissonance&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;check this out</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://first-americans.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://first-americans.blogspot.com/</a><br />no problem.We have been trained to dismiss this type of info. <br />Cognitive Dissonance</p>
<p>check this out</p>
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		<title>By: trickyblain</title>
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		<dc:creator>trickyblain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gatekeeper: I haven&#039;t checked out your links (fairly busy tonight),  &lt;br&gt;but I did reasearch this afternon a bit. I was hasty in dissmissing  &lt;br&gt;your post; please accept my apologies. He was, scientists say,  &lt;br&gt;caucasioud (probably of northeastern Asian origin). Enjoy your  &lt;br&gt;weekend....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gatekeeper: I haven&#39;t checked out your links (fairly busy tonight),  <br />but I did reasearch this afternon a bit. I was hasty in dissmissing  <br />your post; please accept my apologies. He was, scientists say,  <br />caucasioud (probably of northeastern Asian origin). Enjoy your  <br />weekend&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 05:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s another response to those who believe it is so important to condemn Columbus: Let&#039;s assume for the moment that you are correct. We all need to condemn Columbus for committing a genocide. Now, what about Mohammed? Shouldn&#039;t he also be condemned for committing a genocide (google &quot;banu qurayza&quot;)? Since he is believed to be a prophet of God, and described in a holy book as a model for moral conduct, doesn&#039;t that make it even more important for him to be condemned? After all, most people do not give Columbus any thought except for one day a year, at most, so he has extremely limited influence on our behavior. It&#039;s a whole different story with Mohammed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#39;s another response to those who believe it is so important to condemn Columbus: Let&#39;s assume for the moment that you are correct. We all need to condemn Columbus for committing a genocide. Now, what about Mohammed? Shouldn&#39;t he also be condemned for committing a genocide (google &#8220;banu qurayza&#8221;)? Since he is believed to be a prophet of God, and described in a holy book as a model for moral conduct, doesn&#39;t that make it even more important for him to be condemned? After all, most people do not give Columbus any thought except for one day a year, at most, so he has extremely limited influence on our behavior. It&#39;s a whole different story with Mohammed.</p>
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		<title>By: gatekeeper96740</title>
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		<dc:creator>gatekeeper96740</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 05:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to comments.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Kenosha Dig Points to Europe as Origin of First Americans&lt;br&gt;Milwaukee Journal Sentinel ^ &#124; 3-4-02 &#124; John Fauber &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Posted on Monday, March 04, 2002 10:05:29 AM by afraidfortherepublic&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A contentious theory that the first Americans came here from Europe - not Asia - is challenging a century-old consensus among archaeologists, and a dig in Kenosha County is part of the evidence. &lt;br&gt;The two leading proponents of the Europe theory admit that many scientists reject their contention, instead holding fast to the long-established belief that the first Americans arrived from Siberia via a now-submerged land bridge across the Bering Sea to Alaska. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The first of the Europe-to-North America treks probably took place at the height of the last Ice Age more than 18,000 years ago, said Dennis Stanford, curator of archaeology at the Smithsonian Institution&#039;s National Museum of Natural History, and Milwaukee native Bruce Bradley, an independent archaeological consultant and research associate of the Carnegie Museum.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Stanford and Bradley contend that if the original migration came from Europe, it would be logical to find more older sites in the eastern United States, as has been the case in recent years.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Kenosha County digs show that woolly mammoths were butchered by humans here more than 13,000 years ago - at least 2,000 years older than what was once thought to be the oldest site in the U.S.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Stanford and Bradley also point to recent DNA analysis involving a particular genetic marker known as haplogroup X. The marker is found in a minority of American Indians, including some in the Great Lakes region, and Europeans, but is not found in Asians, suggesting an ancestral link between Europe and North America. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The two plan to publish a book laying out their findings in about a year, they said. They believe evidence in the book will win converts to their theory.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;There are several competing theories,&quot; said Milwaukee archaeologist David Overstreet. &quot;All I know is people were here (in southeastern Wisconsin) several thousands of years earlier than previously thought.&quot; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Overstreet, director of the Marquette University-affiliated Center for Archaeological Research, has analyzed several southeastern Wisconsin sites where piles of bones of mammoths that had been butchered by people date back as far as 13,500 years ago. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Kenosha County sites are among several eastern U.S. Ice Age sites that have fueled the growing controversy over whether North America&#039;s first people came from the Iberian Peninsula of Europe or from Asia.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Whatever their source, Paleoindians appear to have reached the mid-continent by 13,500 (years ago) and successfully exploited the Pleistocene biomass (animals and plants) there for at least a millennium,&quot; Overstreet writes in a paper soon to be published in the international journal Geoarchaeology.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It was a time when the inhabitants of the Northern Hemisphere lived in an icy environment of vast glaciers, boreal forests, mastodons, saber-toothed tigers and 1,000-pound cave bears.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In the more-accepted Asia theory, people migrated across a land bridge over the Bering Sea and down an ice-free corridor to the American Southwest, where they established a culture known as Clovis.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However, while artifacts unearthed near Clovis, N.M., date to more than 11,000 years ago, several sites in the eastern U.S., including the Kenosha County sites, date to between 13,000 and 19,000 years, long before Clovis.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;In the last half-dozen years, all this stuff is popping up in the eastern U.S.,&quot; Overstreet said. &quot;There is no question that somebody was in this area (southeastern Wisconsin) mucking around with mammoths 12,000 to 13,000 years ago. The question is, where did they come from?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Prehistoric travelers&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In separate interviews, Stanford and Bradley offered some of the strongest arguments:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;With much of the world&#039;s water having been evaporated and converted to ice, sea levels during the last Ice Age were as much as 400 feet below today&#039;s levels.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;An expanded coastal region probably extended from the Iberian Peninsula in southwestern France and northern Spain to the southern tip of Ireland. In addition, the Grand Banks, a series of submerged plateaus extending several hundred miles off the coast of Newfoundland, probably were above water.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The geological conditions meant the prehistoric travelers would have needed to pull off only a 1,500-mile Atlantic Ocean crossing along sheltered ice sheets teeming with easily hunted marine mammals and fish, Bradley and Stanford said.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Stanford noted that 50,000 years ago or more, humans had become skilled enough at open sea travel that they were able to arrive on the continent of Australia. They most likely used small, animal-skin boats, taking advantage of favorable sea currents. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;There would have been huge reserves of food,&quot; Bradley said. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The food, which probably included fish, seals, walruses and the now-extinct great auk, actually may have been the motivation for their wanderlust.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Overstreet added that the European glacier may have been cutting off hunting areas, forcing those inhabitants to find new food sources. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;They certainly were on the move,&quot; he said. &quot;These people were capable of making that trip if they needed to.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&#039;Completely crazy&#039;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;While Overstreet said he still has not completely accepted the new theory, others flatly reject it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;It is a highly improbable theory,&quot; said James Stoltman, a professor emeritus of North American archaeology at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. Stoltman said he did not think Stanford and Bradley presented credible evidence to support their hypothesis.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Stanford and Bradley also point to the similarity between the bifaced stone spear points found in the U.S. and the Solutrean area off the north coast of Spain and dating to between 16,500 and 22,000 years ago.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However, while Solutrean and Clovis points are both bifaced, there are major differences, said Thomas Pleger, who teaches Great Lakes archaeology at UW-Fox Valley.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Pleger said there just is no credible evidence to support a theory of an Ice Age migration from Europe.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;It is a completely crazy and unsupported hypothesis,&quot; said Lawrence Guy Straus, a professor in the anthropology department at the University of New Mexico and an expert on the Upper Paleolithic period in Western Europe. He also serves as editor of the Journal of Anthropological Research. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Straus said there are major differences between bone and stone technology used by Solutrean people and the Clovis culture of North America. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In addition, he said most of the British Isles, the supposed jumping-off point for the migration, was covered with ice between 13,000 and 27,000 years ago.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There also is no evidence that the Solutrean people had acquired skills, such as navigation, deep-sea fishing and marine mammal hunting, that would have been needed to pull off such a migration, he said.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ancestry in question&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Straus also said the Stanford/Bradley theory has angered some American Indian groups whose ancestry has been tied to Asia, not Europe.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;It is basically saying they weren&#039;t here first,&quot; Straus said.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However, at the same time traditional religious beliefs of many American Indians fail to acknowledge any migration from another part of the world, said John Norder, an assistant professor of anthropology who specializes in American Indian matters.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Norder, who also is a member of the Dakota Sioux, said a common religious belief among many American Indians is that their ancestors&#039; land was either created for them or that they came to it from an underworld. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Recently, some American Indians have incorporated the idea of their ancestors crossing a Bering Sea land bridge, he said.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In the meantime, the theory of Stone Age Europeans discovering America dominates the debate. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;People discuss it as being crazy and wish it would go away,&quot; said Straus. &quot;I&#039;m amazed at the amount of attention.&quot;</description>
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<p>Kenosha Dig Points to Europe as Origin of First Americans<br />Milwaukee Journal Sentinel ^ | 3-4-02 | John Fauber </p>
<p>Posted on Monday, March 04, 2002 10:05:29 AM by afraidfortherepublic</p>
<p>A contentious theory that the first Americans came here from Europe &#8211; not Asia &#8211; is challenging a century-old consensus among archaeologists, and a dig in Kenosha County is part of the evidence. <br />The two leading proponents of the Europe theory admit that many scientists reject their contention, instead holding fast to the long-established belief that the first Americans arrived from Siberia via a now-submerged land bridge across the Bering Sea to Alaska. </p>
<p>The first of the Europe-to-North America treks probably took place at the height of the last Ice Age more than 18,000 years ago, said Dennis Stanford, curator of archaeology at the Smithsonian Institution&#39;s National Museum of Natural History, and Milwaukee native Bruce Bradley, an independent archaeological consultant and research associate of the Carnegie Museum.</p>
<p>Stanford and Bradley contend that if the original migration came from Europe, it would be logical to find more older sites in the eastern United States, as has been the case in recent years.</p>
<p>The Kenosha County digs show that woolly mammoths were butchered by humans here more than 13,000 years ago &#8211; at least 2,000 years older than what was once thought to be the oldest site in the U.S.</p>
<p>Stanford and Bradley also point to recent DNA analysis involving a particular genetic marker known as haplogroup X. The marker is found in a minority of American Indians, including some in the Great Lakes region, and Europeans, but is not found in Asians, suggesting an ancestral link between Europe and North America. </p>
<p>The two plan to publish a book laying out their findings in about a year, they said. They believe evidence in the book will win converts to their theory.</p>
<p>&#8220;There are several competing theories,&#8221; said Milwaukee archaeologist David Overstreet. &#8220;All I know is people were here (in southeastern Wisconsin) several thousands of years earlier than previously thought.&#8221; </p>
<p>Overstreet, director of the Marquette University-affiliated Center for Archaeological Research, has analyzed several southeastern Wisconsin sites where piles of bones of mammoths that had been butchered by people date back as far as 13,500 years ago. </p>
<p>The Kenosha County sites are among several eastern U.S. Ice Age sites that have fueled the growing controversy over whether North America&#39;s first people came from the Iberian Peninsula of Europe or from Asia.</p>
<p>&#8220;Whatever their source, Paleoindians appear to have reached the mid-continent by 13,500 (years ago) and successfully exploited the Pleistocene biomass (animals and plants) there for at least a millennium,&#8221; Overstreet writes in a paper soon to be published in the international journal Geoarchaeology.</p>
<p>It was a time when the inhabitants of the Northern Hemisphere lived in an icy environment of vast glaciers, boreal forests, mastodons, saber-toothed tigers and 1,000-pound cave bears.</p>
<p>In the more-accepted Asia theory, people migrated across a land bridge over the Bering Sea and down an ice-free corridor to the American Southwest, where they established a culture known as Clovis.</p>
<p>However, while artifacts unearthed near Clovis, N.M., date to more than 11,000 years ago, several sites in the eastern U.S., including the Kenosha County sites, date to between 13,000 and 19,000 years, long before Clovis.</p>
<p>&#8220;In the last half-dozen years, all this stuff is popping up in the eastern U.S.,&#8221; Overstreet said. &#8220;There is no question that somebody was in this area (southeastern Wisconsin) mucking around with mammoths 12,000 to 13,000 years ago. The question is, where did they come from?&#8221;</p>
<p>Prehistoric travelers</p>
<p>In separate interviews, Stanford and Bradley offered some of the strongest arguments:</p>
<p>With much of the world&#39;s water having been evaporated and converted to ice, sea levels during the last Ice Age were as much as 400 feet below today&#39;s levels.</p>
<p>An expanded coastal region probably extended from the Iberian Peninsula in southwestern France and northern Spain to the southern tip of Ireland. In addition, the Grand Banks, a series of submerged plateaus extending several hundred miles off the coast of Newfoundland, probably were above water.</p>
<p>The geological conditions meant the prehistoric travelers would have needed to pull off only a 1,500-mile Atlantic Ocean crossing along sheltered ice sheets teeming with easily hunted marine mammals and fish, Bradley and Stanford said.</p>
<p>Stanford noted that 50,000 years ago or more, humans had become skilled enough at open sea travel that they were able to arrive on the continent of Australia. They most likely used small, animal-skin boats, taking advantage of favorable sea currents. </p>
<p>&#8220;There would have been huge reserves of food,&#8221; Bradley said. </p>
<p>The food, which probably included fish, seals, walruses and the now-extinct great auk, actually may have been the motivation for their wanderlust.</p>
<p>Overstreet added that the European glacier may have been cutting off hunting areas, forcing those inhabitants to find new food sources. </p>
<p>&#8220;They certainly were on the move,&#8221; he said. &#8220;These people were capable of making that trip if they needed to.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#39;Completely crazy&#39;</p>
<p>While Overstreet said he still has not completely accepted the new theory, others flatly reject it.</p>
<p>&#8220;It is a highly improbable theory,&#8221; said James Stoltman, a professor emeritus of North American archaeology at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. Stoltman said he did not think Stanford and Bradley presented credible evidence to support their hypothesis.</p>
<p>Stanford and Bradley also point to the similarity between the bifaced stone spear points found in the U.S. and the Solutrean area off the north coast of Spain and dating to between 16,500 and 22,000 years ago.</p>
<p>However, while Solutrean and Clovis points are both bifaced, there are major differences, said Thomas Pleger, who teaches Great Lakes archaeology at UW-Fox Valley.</p>
<p>Pleger said there just is no credible evidence to support a theory of an Ice Age migration from Europe.</p>
<p>&#8220;It is a completely crazy and unsupported hypothesis,&#8221; said Lawrence Guy Straus, a professor in the anthropology department at the University of New Mexico and an expert on the Upper Paleolithic period in Western Europe. He also serves as editor of the Journal of Anthropological Research. </p>
<p>Straus said there are major differences between bone and stone technology used by Solutrean people and the Clovis culture of North America. </p>
<p>In addition, he said most of the British Isles, the supposed jumping-off point for the migration, was covered with ice between 13,000 and 27,000 years ago.</p>
<p>There also is no evidence that the Solutrean people had acquired skills, such as navigation, deep-sea fishing and marine mammal hunting, that would have been needed to pull off such a migration, he said.</p>
<p>Ancestry in question</p>
<p>Straus also said the Stanford/Bradley theory has angered some American Indian groups whose ancestry has been tied to Asia, not Europe.</p>
<p>&#8220;It is basically saying they weren&#39;t here first,&#8221; Straus said.</p>
<p>However, at the same time traditional religious beliefs of many American Indians fail to acknowledge any migration from another part of the world, said John Norder, an assistant professor of anthropology who specializes in American Indian matters.</p>
<p>Norder, who also is a member of the Dakota Sioux, said a common religious belief among many American Indians is that their ancestors&#39; land was either created for them or that they came to it from an underworld. </p>
<p>Recently, some American Indians have incorporated the idea of their ancestors crossing a Bering Sea land bridge, he said.</p>
<p>In the meantime, the theory of Stone Age Europeans discovering America dominates the debate. </p>
<p>&#8220;People discuss it as being crazy and wish it would go away,&#8221; said Straus. &#8220;I&#39;m amazed at the amount of attention.&#8221;</p>
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		<description>This is Archeology&#039;s dirty little secret.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Lovelock and Spirit cave mummies. Over 9,000 years old, and Caucasoid. Located in same area where ancient Paiute Indian legends say the Paiutes exterminated a light skinned, red haired tribe who spoke a different language in ancient times. A complete news interview with a California News station (KCRA-3) from the mid-90s is included. This interview mentions the fact that these people were here thousands and thousands of years before the Indians and the archaeologist interviewed says these are Caucasoid traits. 9. Nevada - Spirit Cave and Lovelock Mummies from Trevor T. on Vimeo.&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVTeSigya1s&amp;feature=related&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVTeSigya1s&amp;feat...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__PrkNlCrMU&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__PrkNlCrMU&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is Archeology&#39;s dirty little secret.</p>
<p>Lovelock and Spirit cave mummies. Over 9,000 years old, and Caucasoid. Located in same area where ancient Paiute Indian legends say the Paiutes exterminated a light skinned, red haired tribe who spoke a different language in ancient times. A complete news interview with a California News station (KCRA-3) from the mid-90s is included. This interview mentions the fact that these people were here thousands and thousands of years before the Indians and the archaeologist interviewed says these are Caucasoid traits. 9. Nevada &#8211; Spirit Cave and Lovelock Mummies from Trevor T. on Vimeo.<br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVTeSigya1s&#038;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVTeSigya1s&#038;feat&#8230;</a></p>
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		<description>Dear TrickyBlaine,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;      It is impossible to steer East or West with exact location  &lt;br&gt;(longitude) by the sun and stars - the Sun can give the directions of  &lt;br&gt;East and West, but not the longitude.  The problem of finding  &lt;br&gt;longitude was not solved until the eighteenth century when Harrison  &lt;br&gt;invented a clock to keep accurate time at sea, with Greenwich Mean  &lt;br&gt;Latitude of 0&#039;00&#039;&#039;000&#039;&#039;&#039;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;      Columbus was not lost but thought he had found India, hence the  &lt;br&gt;name of the islands &quot;the West Indies&quot; and of the inhabitants as  &lt;br&gt;Indians or American Indians.  It was after he had discovered these  &lt;br&gt;lands that the Americas were surveyed and the map by Amerigo Vespucci  &lt;br&gt;was drawn.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;      The name &quot;Indian&quot; for the inhabitants of pre-Columbian America  &lt;br&gt;and some of their descendants is the standard one.  Names are  &lt;br&gt;frequently given by convention, like that of Greenland, which is not  &lt;br&gt;green.  I am a Native American, having been born in Brooklyn New York,  &lt;br&gt;and thus being a native-born American.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;      The American Indians did indeed contribute much to the world -  &lt;br&gt;foods, like corn, potatoes, lima beans, chocolate, and tobacco.  The  &lt;br&gt;Central American Indians - the Maya, in particular - did do astronomy,  &lt;br&gt;founded cities, built pyramids, but they did not have universities or  &lt;br&gt;do research in the sciences, literature, history, do philosophy.  Why  &lt;br&gt;are you so intent on proving that the Central American Indians were as  &lt;br&gt;advanced as those in Western Europe (or China) in 1492?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;                                            Judy Wubnig&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Quoting Disqus &lt;&gt;:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear TrickyBlaine,</p>
<p>      It is impossible to steer East or West with exact location  <br />(longitude) by the sun and stars &#8211; the Sun can give the directions of  <br />East and West, but not the longitude.  The problem of finding  <br />longitude was not solved until the eighteenth century when Harrison  <br />invented a clock to keep accurate time at sea, with Greenwich Mean  <br />Latitude of 0&#39;00&#39;&#39;000&#39;&#39;&#39;.</p>
<p>      Columbus was not lost but thought he had found India, hence the  <br />name of the islands &#8220;the West Indies&#8221; and of the inhabitants as  <br />Indians or American Indians.  It was after he had discovered these  <br />lands that the Americas were surveyed and the map by Amerigo Vespucci  <br />was drawn.</p>
<p>      The name &#8220;Indian&#8221; for the inhabitants of pre-Columbian America  <br />and some of their descendants is the standard one.  Names are  <br />frequently given by convention, like that of Greenland, which is not  <br />green.  I am a Native American, having been born in Brooklyn New York,  <br />and thus being a native-born American.</p>
<p>      The American Indians did indeed contribute much to the world &#8211;  <br />foods, like corn, potatoes, lima beans, chocolate, and tobacco.  The  <br />Central American Indians &#8211; the Maya, in particular &#8211; did do astronomy,  <br />founded cities, built pyramids, but they did not have universities or  <br />do research in the sciences, literature, history, do philosophy.  Why  <br />are you so intent on proving that the Central American Indians were as  <br />advanced as those in Western Europe (or China) in 1492?</p>
<p>                                            Judy Wubnig</p>
<p>Quoting Disqus &lt;&gt;:</p>
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		<description>And then there is spirit cave man&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xppOQnAAIZA&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xppOQnAAIZA&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There are 39 such cases.</description>
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<p>There are 39 such cases.</p>
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