Comments on: Mission Abandoned – by Alan W. Dowd

By: LucyQ

LucyQ — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:40:17 +0000

That pipeline is not why were there. We're there to convert Ishmael to be just like us–happy democrats who live by the rule of law. It will work as well as if Islam invaded America to convert us into happy Islamists.

By: Timmy

Timmy — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:47:00 +0000

We have wasted too much money, time and lives for it to just be some sort of convoluted scheme to get an oil pipeline. If we wanted oil all we would have to do is either pay for it at market rate which would be much cheaper than this war or just take whatever oil we want by force which in reality is the best option since we need oil for our very survival. Russia was involved in Afghanistan for political reasons and in fact were asked to intervene by the Afghan government to assist in their battle with mujahideen. Gee, that sounds a lot like what we are doing now, wasting time fighting Islamists since there is a never ending supply of them. It isn't being a quitter to recognize reality. There is no number of Islamists that we could kill where we would reach the end. As long as there is Islam there will be Islamists.

By: bubba4

bubba4 — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 04:57:42 +0000

Yeah yeah…BUT WHAT ABOUT THE PIPELINE?

Don't you guys ever wonder why else we might be interested in Afghanistan….why Russia was interested in Afghanistan?

By: Timmy

Timmy — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 04:33:07 +0000

What the West collectively has to come to grips with is that NOTHING will “work” when it comes to Islam. All that we can hope for is to save ourselves, save our own countries and hopefully save Western civilization. We just need to go cold turkey off the entire crazed concept that anything we “do to” or “do for” the Islamic world is going to change anything. There are limited resources. We should put whatever we spend into defending our own territories, expelling Islam from them, keep them free of Islam. Afghanistan, or any other Islamic country should only be interacted with to destroy problem regimes, then leave, period, no more anything, nothing. If a worse group moves in and takes over then we destroy them the same way. Containment only means keeping them out of our lives, they can mess with one another all they want. We could even encourage them to fight one another. This isn't a hands off head in the sand policy, it is a stand back and observe and crush them when necessary. The banal meddling, the dealing with all the different tribal leaders, the billions of dollars wasted, it is all truly insane.

So then people will say what about oil, well we either take it from them and let them try to stop us or we pay them for it but we don't care anything about that beyond an arms length transaction.

By: LucyQ

LucyQ — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 04:29:33 +0000

Absolutely right, Timmy. Islam & Democracy are completely incompatible where Muslims are the majority in any nation. Gen McChrystal did not mention Islam as the root of the problem so why would any clear-thinking American trust him?

By: LucyQ

LucyQ — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 04:22:44 +0000

According to Gen McChrystal, 'nation building' is his goal in Afghanistan. If that's the goal, then we should be nation building in Mexico, a nation much more important to us and one that is coming apart. There's a video of the general explaining this at the 60 Minute site.

Nation building, the concept in itself, is a very liberal concept. It means literally changing Afghanistan into a freedom-loving democracy with health care for all Afghanis paid for with US taxes that of couse will increase; education for all Afghanis including girls, new highways, hospitals, colleges, and so on and so forth and perhaps, in 100 years or so, Afghanistan may be democratic…….in the meantime, how many Americans have died or become permanently disabled? How close to bankruptcy are we as a nation?

I hope Obama ends this war, the longest war in US history.

By: coyote3

coyote3 — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 04:00:45 +0000

Well containment won't work either, unless you want to employ some drastic measures. I remember there was a congressman who suggested that we might want to consider the use of nuclear weapons. Now, I am not endorsing this, necessarily, but it would, as he pointed out make the troublesome parts of the country (which is pretty much the whole thing) uninhabitable for years. Either all in or all out.

By: Timmy

Timmy — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:58:56 +0000

You are a fool my man and a twit. I could take you any day one on one. I would crush your skull like a grape. Lay off the personal insults and “try” as much as your little brain will allow to “focus” like a laser beam on the problem, on actually solving the problem, not just on continuing to run around Afghanistan like a bunch of fools who don't even have a clue what the end game is. You are like a fool in a bar fight just swinging wildly going around in circles but you think that you are making progress. Grow up please.

By: Timmy

Timmy — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:55:48 +0000

Truthfully it does not matter if we stay there 1,000 years and spend 1 trillion dollars building up the country or whatever it is we are doing, the second we leave, literally the split second that the wheels of the airplane leave the ground, Afghanistan will revert to what it is, an Islamic country that will not accept democracy and that will forever be a place that Islamists can group for attacks on the infidels of the world. Rather than waste time staying there we should just monitor it, use spies, whatever it takes, and bomb from the sky any hut or village that we think is a problem.

By: USMCSniper

USMCSniper — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:44:06 +0000

Ahhh…Timmy you lack the spirit for the cutting. You are right that it will neveer happened But there are many like you – pussyfied panty waisted mommy boy girly men who think they can talk their way out of anything and wouldn't fight no matter what the provacation or the threat.

“Please Mr Alligator, just eat me last”

By: abijah

abijah — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:16:24 +0000

Obama and crowd are planing a slow bleeding to death and a humiliating defeat a la Vietnam for America. Better to get the troops out now! Yes, we will have to go back when Al Qaeda reestablishes it base in Afghanistan and causes the American homeland so many causualties that it makes 911 fade from memory. And yes, it will cost America orders of magnitude more in blood and treasure than if Gen. McCrystal got the troops and resources he has asked for. But it is absolutely immoral to leave our best and bravest in that hell with no chance to successfully complete their mission let alone win stability for that sad country. Get our young men and women out and bring them home.

By: Timmy

Timmy — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:53:25 +0000

There is ZERO chance that in our lifetime we will employ the Carthage approach. The general that is there now wants to “gain the trust” of the Afghan population (a more foolhardy goal there could not be). Therefore, calling for more troops to Afghanistan is irresponsible. Containment, or rather, eliminating the existence of Islam in the West is our only hope. No Islam in the West, no involvement in their affairs except to destroy quickly any regime that causes any trouble for us. Having no Islam in the West would greatly reduce the cost of counter-terrorism efforts and eliminate the need to continually fight off the gradual imposition of sharia and the loss of freedoms and democracy.

By: USMCSniper

USMCSniper — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:44:55 +0000

Whatdo you expect when you put a Marxist Clandestine Muslim Community Tribalist Organizer in as the Commander-In Chief? I am of the opinion this inept fool is living up to his expectations of himself.

By: USMCSniper

USMCSniper — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:42:03 +0000

The Carthage Strategy must be employed or just get out. It is an either – or as containment will never work. Muslims are like Orks of Middle Earth and require an annihilation for them to stop jihadism.

By: John

John — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:23:48 +0000

Mr. Obama has always been part of the surrender monkey crowd. You know you have a problem when the “Pacifist” in the Euro weenie crowd is sending and asking for more troops while are president tries to figure out what to do.

Campaigning is easy, Governing is hard

Mr. Obama is a great campaigner, but doesn’t have a clue on governing.

By: stillontheroad9

stillontheroad9 — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:41:04 +0000

Dear Leader has now taken over the mantle of that Super Hero known as the Waffler. With his griddle of justice, coupled with his complete lack of decision making skills or fortitude to do so, he bashes his
enemies in the head, or, says one thing then another so fast as to cause his enemies to suffer from terminal vertigo. He will also burn his victims equally, leaving waffle like marks about their head and shoulders not akin to tire marks left by a speeding bus. Enemies and ex-supporters alike will suffer the pain of transgression.
And he has been working on a theme song. Kinda like: “Wafflama Man!! Oh! I am the Waffler! Golden crispy! The United States is history, yow!”

By: Timmy

Timmy — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:13:42 +0000

The problem is that the general has not given a valid reason for more troops. It is disconcerting to hear so many conservatives' knee-jerk response that obviously the general is right and obviously Obama should send the troops. The general has said that he needs to win the hearts and minds of the civilian population in Afghanistan. At that point he should be removed from his position. His entire 66 page assessment does not even mention Islam or Jihad once. It would be highly irresponsible, even reckless, to commit FORTY FOUR THOUSAND more troops to this absurd mission in Afghanistan where they will be nothing more than targets for more random bombings hamstrung by absurd rules of engagement, there merely to win the hearts and minds of people whose religion beats into the very soul of its followers that we are filthy infidels. For crying out loud, every single cent spent in Afghanistan after the Taliban were removed and a new government installed has been a complete waste. The lives and limbs lost already will not have been in vain IF the U.S. learns the correct lesson, WE ARE NEVER GOING TO DEMOCRATIZE ISLAM AND HELPING THEM CREATE ISLAMIC STATES IS UTTERLY FOOLISH.

If we ever have to take out any Islamic governments or groups we need to just do that as quickly and efficiently as possible with bombs from the sky or select special operations forces on the ground, AND THEN GET THE HECK OUT OF THERE AND LET THEM FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO. Then if need be we repeat the process, OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN FOR ETERNITY. Staying there and trying to change Islam or build a democracy is a sickening waste of human resources and money and time.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columns/McCh...

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columns/Shar...

By: davarino

davarino — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:54:37 +0000

Its amazing how the president is gungho and a very quick decision maker when it comes to the economy, stimulus package, cap and trade, a gillion page health care bill that gets jammed through without everyone having a chance to read and understand, but the war in Afganistan……he must take his time. He has to mull it over and think about it, while our insufficient forces are being picked off piece by piece. My hat is off to our military forces. It is incredible to watch them as they put their lives on the line no matter what an incompetitant commander in chief does. They defend the constitution by adhering to it and respecting the office of the president, while the other is dismantling it and has contempt for it. We the people have to stop him from completing his task next year and in 2012, or some day the military will have to do it for us.

By: charlesmojica

charlesmojica — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 06:45:24 +0000

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