And of course, have a great evening as well!

I’d fear God too, if I condoned or did the things Islamic terrorists do. Weaklings that can’t control themselves or abide by the freedoms of others, I’ll just despise. If they’re smart, they’ll leave me be. Like the commies, they aren’t.

Bring what? I’m eating your lunch, remember? You’re bringin’ it to me. You’re the one trying to forbid what I say or legally do, along with defending cop killers, yet somehow you are a victim and I’m threatening you? That’s awful neurotic. I’ve read enough of the koran to know that the crazy child molester considered the very existence of dar al haarb a threat to dar al islam, and calls for dar al islam’s expansion by force and fraud until dar al haarb no longer exists. That’s why the jihadi imam is here preaching death to America and all those practitioners of ‘the religion of peace’ are here plotting terrorist attacks against American civilians. Christians hauled in the eric rudolph, where are the muslim’s hauling these murderous Aholes in?

Dad would whip our butts if we even got too close to one 'til we were 5, then trained us to use them. He taught us woodcraft everytime we went camping, which was from infancy. He was in the Navy, but was a lifelong woodsman and rider (his greatest heartbreak was when he grew big, 'cause he wanted to be a jocky) and the best shot with rifle or pistol I've ever seen, though a Major in one of my Army units might have been better. At one time dad was 3rd nationally in quick draw competitions. I almost always prefer a rifle, but never competed.

Gotta get to work, have a great day Dazey! Thanks for starting mine off so well, with such fond memories.

Women arent being debased by living in a free society. Many women like sex and personal freedom, the last thing they want is to be forced to cover up every square inch and be sold to the neighbors.

Our idiot radical feminists have decided that lesbians wouldnt be looked at by men anymore if all women were forced to cover up. Those idiot lesbian feminists are the only bedfellows you have in terms of American women.

When they get their way Im going to buy Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters, Sarah Brady, and Babera Boxer. I am going to put them to work on an aligator farm as pond cleaners immediatly after buying them.

Your grasping at straws and comparing apples to pickup trucks. He is nothing like Hitler or the KKK, he simply reported on a violent religious faction composed mostly of convicted felons who got into a shootout with the FBI. One cannot have firearms following felony conviction. They had every right to attempt arrest.

Your definition of hate speech is anything that offends anyone. That pretty much covers everything and anything. Your holy book would be banned as hate speech if everything that offended me was illegal. It is clear that muslims cannot live in a nation that allows free speech. Your honesty on the issue is telling, you are too thin skinned as a faith to be expected to brave the elements of a free society. That doesnt mean I have to go, I am well adapted to such a climate. The laws of nature suggest that it is you who is out of place.

I dont care what gets said about the bible, I like science. So far Christians havent blown up any schools for teaching evolution or held mass protests calling for the deaths of teachers. Newspaper columnists and cartoonists can freely make fun of Chistains without fear of violent mobs or bombings.

'As far as what you say about Muslims – what is your experience? Have you been to Iraq? Was it with the military, or were you a mercenary? I think seeing Muslims through the eyes of a scared brainwashed soldier – kicking in doors at three in the morning, beating men and boys half to death, detaining them, raping women – might give you a less than balanced view.”

Im currently serving in Iraq with the US military. We arent kicking doors in at 3:00 so we can rape whole families. Only Obama Christ and a few left wing web sites would claim that we do. There has been only one documented rape and those individuals have not been treated kindly. Their well deserved court martial is public knowledge. Real warriors dont rape, and they had no right to share a uniform with us. Your claims suggest that you have never been to Iraq or Aghanistan. Reality here is a bit different than www. fantasy land progressives spend way too much time in.

“If your country was occupied.. if someone invaded your country, here, in America – would you not resist? Would you not, as a patriot – fight back? Of course you would. If you didn't, you may as well welcome the invaders in.”

We are living that reality right now. Obama needs to pass speech laws and burn the rest of our constitution so special thin skinned cultures can feel comfortable here. I agree that it might be time to fight back.

The muslims we fight are not defending themselves or Islam. This region is troubled by land disputes that date back centuries. Many times we get caught in the middle of warring muslim factions. Iraqs neighbors seem to be sending the most violent extremists. Everybody wants that oil because everyone wants to be rich so we see Iranians alot.

“Of course, there are solid and important rules to jihad. Women and children are never ever to be harmed, if prisoners are taken they are to be treated well and not abused, no destruction of farmlands and livestock, basic decency that any God-fearing person would automatically know to do.”

You might want to tell the musims over here about this. They didnt get the memo.

They hide among civilians before firing on convoys which causes said civilians to die when we defend the convoy. They commonly use women and children as human sheilds. Being captured by them means being tortured to death. They explode car bombs in civilian areas leading to the deaths of hundreds of innocents.

Only a progressive American wouldnt know about the realities of this place. Progressives never serve.

“But in the US military they are trained to kill from boot camp”

We train for war, people do get killed in wars. I know its hard to believe but its the truth.

Our ideology states that the other guy can die for his country, Ill be going home to a nice cold beer. He can have his coffin. We train for the absolute worste so we can be sure more of ours will go home alive than the opposition.

A progressive finds the military hardcore and scary, the average working class American sees it as an honorable duty. Besides playing wth automatic weapons and hand grenades it isnt unlike any civilian job most times. Ive serve in the USMC and now in the Army, Im glad I dont share either with progressives.

Our formost purpose is to defend the constitutional republic and the American way of life. Many American progressives demonize the military because the constitution is seen by them as a neo nazi document that must be destroyed. They dont want humanist freedom, they want freedom from having to make decisions, freedom from feeling offended. They correctly see us as standing between them and radical progressive revolution, thus we are an enemy to be demonized.

Since I could not read Arabic anyway, how would I know that you were not simply lying about what the contents were or taking verses out of context? This is using your logic. Also, the verses I cited are frequently used by jihadists, such as Osama bin Ladin to justify their activities. As for your leader, I will leave you to your man who thought he was a god.

Instead, you go off on an irrelevant tangent by claiming Robert Spencer is my leader. How cute. I am concerned about the subjects he rights about, and not the man himself. Wafa Sultan, Nonie Darwish, and so many others must be my leaders as well. Unlike you, I do not narrowly look to one book or creed for information.

Finally, can you bring yourself to condemn forthrightly a Moslem group that advocates criminal activity and also engages in it? You really do need to work on your dawah.

It is easy for most people. Mormons who engage in polygamy are bad. Catholic Priests who engage in pedophilia are bad. They should be prosecuted for their crimes. Why not be clear on this subject yourself?

Look to your leader: http://www.loonwatch.com/2009/11/loonwatch-excl...

Who is the cult member here?

Masha'allah – and excellent post! Jazak'Allah Khair.

Fi Amanillah
Your sister in Islam

There are, however, various versions of TRANSLATIONS of the Qur'an, however the translations are sunject to the author's interpretation of the actual Arabic text. So unless you are willing to learn to read Arabic – you will never read the actual text of the Holy Qur'an.

I also notice that you took some ayat out of context. That shows me you've never read the Qur'an in it's entirety. Unless you do – please do not try to speak about what it says, you do not know. It is essential that it be read -in context-. I can do the same with the Holy Bible. Shall we go over that? No, I would not waste my time on that, because it's a silly thing to do.

I would be happy to go along with you reading the Qur'an – and discussing it. You mention Yusuf Ali's version. Shall we begin with that?

I will also be happy to post the misconceptions that you probably got those verses from. I'd be happy to post them, anyway.

In the meantime – look to your leader: http://www.loonwatch.com/2009/11/loonwatch-excl...

Peace

Of course, there's also using common decency. KKK members are also allowed their freedom of speech, but does that make it something you'd want to hear – and spread around? Spencer is no better than those KKK members. Yes, he's allowed to post. However, he posts hate speech.

How would you like it if someone “blogged the bible” by twisting it and trying to make it look evil? By the way, we Muslims also read the Bible, and we also love Jesus, peace be upon him.

What did Jesus say about this kind of hatred? What did he say about prejudice? I can remind you if you need.

As far as what you say about Muslims – what is your experience? Have you been to Iraq? Was it with the military, or were you a mercenary? I think seeing Muslims through the eyes of a scared brainwashed soldier – kicking in doors at three in the morning, beating men and boys half to death, detaining them, raping women – might give you a less than balanced view.

If your country was occupied.. if someone invaded your country, here, in America – would you not resist? Would you not, as a patriot – fight back? Of course you would. If you didn't, you may as well welcome the invaders in.

Of course, we americans expect to be welcomed in, don't we? I mean – what human on earth wouldn't want to be like americans? Who wouldn't want that same 'freedom'?

How ecocentric. How terribly closed-minded. To think that the US is what everyone wants to emulate. Nothing could be further from the truth.

For instance: a small example. In the US women are exploited sexually. Sex sells donuts, chips, cars, everything is about sex, and it's all about debasing women. In Islam women are honored. We are not pressured to 'be sexual' in order to be accepted from an early age. We are modest – and we value our rights, and Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was insistent upon those rights.

Women weren't even allowed to own property in the west. Muslim women were. Women weren't even allowed a voice in politics in the west. I could go on and on. Yet I wear my hijab and people stare, or look away, or look disgusted. There is a misconception that women are treated badly in Islam – and this is yet another excuse to 'hate' Islam. I am here to tell you – you're wrong.

That isn't the only misconception I've heard voiced here. I believe that a lot of you don't think of Muslims – most especially Arab Muslims – as human beings. I think you de-humanize them in order to demonize them. That's a strange irony, isn't it? You dehumanize them yet are afraid of them.

Of course, the concept of Jihad is everyone's favorite misconception. As I stated earlier, everyone has the right to defend themselves. The laws concerning jihad are clear. If you are attacked, you may defend. If your people are attacked, you may defend, in fact it's a duty.

You might like to think about it as here in the US men and women join the military to defend the USA.

Of course, there are solid and important rules to jihad. Women and children are never ever to be harmed, if prisoners are taken they are to be treated well and not abused, no destruction of farmlands and livestock, basic decency that any God-fearing person would automatically know to do.

But in the US military they are trained to kill from boot camp. I know some of the cadences. Our city was recently visited by some Iraq war veterans who explained to us – the mindset and how they are trained. They asked us all to, if we cared about our family and friends – to stand up. Everyone did. They asked us if we would protect them. We did. Then they asked us to repeat a cadence. It was horrifying, but they explained that when a group is taught this – who is going to be the one guy who sits down and says, “No”? It made perfect sense. There's a lot of pressure. I can completely understand how these things can happen. I know other vets as well. I also know former guards of detainees who have opened up about the truth. Have you heard of Winter Soldier? IVAW?

They have all talked about the atrocities that are commited to this day in Iraq and Afghanistan. You expect Muslims to sit idly by while this is happening – and not defend themselves, their people, our people?

So long as there is violence against Muslims, Muslims will fight back, who wouldn't?

As long as atrocities on the scale of Abu Ghraib – where women and children were sexually abused, Haditha, rapes and murders of entire families – people are going to be outraged, and people are going to fight back.

If someone kicked in your door at 3AM, raped your 12 year old daughter in front of you, and killed almost every member of your family – what would you do? Please answer honestly.

Maybe if the US gets out of Iraq, Afghanistan, and stops supporting regimes and illegal states like Israel – just maybe – all of this can end. Maybe if Americans are so happy here in America – they can concentrate on taking care of THIS country where we have people starving, people with no health care, people who are homeless, jobless. We have 'wars' within our own borders with gang violence. And no one thinks of that?

Isn't that something else Jesus (peace be upon him) said?

“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, “Let me remove the speck from your eye”; and look, a plank is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye” (Matt. 7:1-5).

I find that very fitting.

Peace