Comments on: Obama to Israelis: Jerusalem Is a “Settlement” – by P. David Hornik http://frontpagemag.com/2009/11/20/obama-to-israelis-jerusalem-is-a-%e2%80%9csettlement%e2%80%9d-by-p-david-hornik/ Sat, 26 May 2012 16:50:37 +0000 hourly 1 By: bearone7777 http://frontpagemag.com/2009/11/20/obama-to-israelis-jerusalem-is-a-%e2%80%9csettlement%e2%80%9d-by-p-david-hornik/comment-page-2/#comment-6572 bearone7777 Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:34:17 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/?p=37838#comment-6572 Hello,<br> The Holy-Land is not for sale, and I will be damned to hell if I do not say this. There is no President, or anybody else in this world that can tell Israel where to build on there own country. Remember I said COUNTRY. I a so fed-up with everybody is saying. If you do not know what you are saying please just shut up, and do not post. Israel does not need any IDIOTS posting anythng about what they have no knowledge of. Please just shut up and leave this site. Hello,
The Holy-Land is not for sale, and I will be damned to hell if I do not say this. There is no President, or anybody else in this world that can tell Israel where to build on there own country. Remember I said COUNTRY. I a so fed-up with everybody is saying. If you do not know what you are saying please just shut up, and do not post. Israel does not need any IDIOTS posting anythng about what they have no knowledge of. Please just shut up and leave this site.

]]> By: andyFree http://frontpagemag.com/2009/11/20/obama-to-israelis-jerusalem-is-a-%e2%80%9csettlement%e2%80%9d-by-p-david-hornik/comment-page-2/#comment-6500 andyFree Tue, 24 Nov 2009 08:24:30 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/?p=37838#comment-6500 Occupation is not illegal. What is illegal (and for very good reasons, think Lebensraum) is moving your citizens into the occupied region. Unless you're going to tell us the Nazis did nothing wrong, you have to oppose settlements.<br><br>As does the whole of the world! Even including Israel's proxy, the US. Occupation is not illegal. What is illegal (and for very good reasons, think Lebensraum) is moving your citizens into the occupied region. Unless you're going to tell us the Nazis did nothing wrong, you have to oppose settlements.

As does the whole of the world! Even including Israel's proxy, the US.

]]> By: andyFree http://frontpagemag.com/2009/11/20/obama-to-israelis-jerusalem-is-a-%e2%80%9csettlement%e2%80%9d-by-p-david-hornik/comment-page-2/#comment-6499 andyFree Tue, 24 Nov 2009 08:22:03 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/?p=37838#comment-6499 Would you accept an argument blaming the Jews for hatred of them and violence towards them by the Germans?<br><br>No? Well in that case, your demonising Muslims now is an open invitation to a new Holocaust.<br><br>Now, granted, Israel (or top politicians in the Knesset) has so far only threatened to murder a few 10s of 1000s of Lebanese, all Palestinian politicians (including Israeli citizens!) and drown 100s in the Dead Sea, but their words are more threatening than anything that came from the Nazis.<br><br>Or do you want us to believe there is nothing to be learned from the Holocaust? Would you accept an argument blaming the Jews for hatred of them and violence towards them by the Germans?

No? Well in that case, your demonising Muslims now is an open invitation to a new Holocaust.

Now, granted, Israel (or top politicians in the Knesset) has so far only threatened to murder a few 10s of 1000s of Lebanese, all Palestinian politicians (including Israeli citizens!) and drown 100s in the Dead Sea, but their words are more threatening than anything that came from the Nazis.

Or do you want us to believe there is nothing to be learned from the Holocaust?

]]> By: andyFree http://frontpagemag.com/2009/11/20/obama-to-israelis-jerusalem-is-a-%e2%80%9csettlement%e2%80%9d-by-p-david-hornik/comment-page-2/#comment-6498 andyFree Tue, 24 Nov 2009 08:14:49 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/?p=37838#comment-6498 For starters, that's not true - it was to be a "national home", not a state. Statements such as "Palestine to be as Jewish as France is French" were condemned by the International community eg Churchill. Nor was it International Law, it was a treaty long superseded by subsequent treaties.<br><br>But for second, Zionists cannot claim support from International Law now unless they themselves abide by it - and they refuse to do so. For starters, that's not true – it was to be a “national home”, not a state. Statements such as “Palestine to be as Jewish as France is French” were condemned by the International community eg Churchill. Nor was it International Law, it was a treaty long superseded by subsequent treaties.

But for second, Zionists cannot claim support from International Law now unless they themselves abide by it – and they refuse to do so.

]]> By: imgood http://frontpagemag.com/2009/11/20/obama-to-israelis-jerusalem-is-a-%e2%80%9csettlement%e2%80%9d-by-p-david-hornik/comment-page-2/#comment-6483 imgood Tue, 24 Nov 2009 02:55:26 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/?p=37838#comment-6483 I believe you are mistaken, johnfor. The relevant U.N. Security Council Resolutions of the time do not characterise the Israelis who inhabit the territories as unlawful. The Palestinians were, and remain, unwilling to settle the conflict, and are, as such, belligerents. Traditionally, a victor at war was permitted to occupy and have its population settle a territory for security purposes until a resolution could be achieved. After the war of 1967, the Arab states and PLO (a dictatorial terrorist organisation declared by Arab dictators to be the "sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people") answered the Israeli offer of peace with the "three Nos," A decade later, while Egypt and Israel were concluding a peace treaty as part of the first Camp David talks, the Palestinians refused to even discuss autonomy, a process which by 1990 would likely have led to a state. During the period between 1993 and 2000, successive Israeli governments offered Palestinians more than 95% of the territories (including the extremely generous Ehud Barak offer in 2000). The Palestinians, as usual, increased their demands beyond reason, and when the Israelis did not grant the wish of the Palestinians that the Israelis commit suicide, the Palestinians began a new round of terror. Most of the people who condemn the Israeli settlers support regimes who violate human rights and international law in much more egregious ways than they suppose Israel does. I believe you are mistaken, johnfor. The relevant U.N. Security Council Resolutions of the time do not characterise the Israelis who inhabit the territories as unlawful. The Palestinians were, and remain, unwilling to settle the conflict, and are, as such, belligerents. Traditionally, a victor at war was permitted to occupy and have its population settle a territory for security purposes until a resolution could be achieved. After the war of 1967, the Arab states and PLO (a dictatorial terrorist organisation declared by Arab dictators to be the “sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people”) answered the Israeli offer of peace with the “three Nos,” A decade later, while Egypt and Israel were concluding a peace treaty as part of the first Camp David talks, the Palestinians refused to even discuss autonomy, a process which by 1990 would likely have led to a state. During the period between 1993 and 2000, successive Israeli governments offered Palestinians more than 95% of the territories (including the extremely generous Ehud Barak offer in 2000). The Palestinians, as usual, increased their demands beyond reason, and when the Israelis did not grant the wish of the Palestinians that the Israelis commit suicide, the Palestinians began a new round of terror. Most of the people who condemn the Israeli settlers support regimes who violate human rights and international law in much more egregious ways than they suppose Israel does.

]]> By: jjk770 http://frontpagemag.com/2009/11/20/obama-to-israelis-jerusalem-is-a-%e2%80%9csettlement%e2%80%9d-by-p-david-hornik/comment-page-2/#comment-6466 jjk770 Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:05:35 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/?p=37838#comment-6466 Type your reply... Type your reply…

]]> By: jjk770 http://frontpagemag.com/2009/11/20/obama-to-israelis-jerusalem-is-a-%e2%80%9csettlement%e2%80%9d-by-p-david-hornik/comment-page-2/#comment-6465 jjk770 Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:05:11 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/?p=37838#comment-6465 From 1948 - 1967 the Jordanian "occupation" was not recognized by the international community, so you can't argue now that we are occupying somebody else's land and certainly not Palestinian land. It was never theirs to begin with. From 1948 – 1967 the Jordanian “occupation” was not recognized by the international community, so you can't argue now that we are occupying somebody else's land and certainly not Palestinian land. It was never theirs to begin with.

]]> By: jjk770 http://frontpagemag.com/2009/11/20/obama-to-israelis-jerusalem-is-a-%e2%80%9csettlement%e2%80%9d-by-p-david-hornik/comment-page-2/#comment-6464 jjk770 Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:50:13 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/?p=37838#comment-6464 From 1948 - 1967 the Jordanian "occupation" was not recognized by the international community, so you can't argue now that we are occupying somebody else's land and certainly not Palestinian land. It was never theirs to begin with. From 1948 – 1967 the Jordanian “occupation” was not recognized by the international community, so you can't argue now that we are occupying somebody else's land and certainly not Palestinian land. It was never theirs to begin with.

]]> By: LindaRivera http://frontpagemag.com/2009/11/20/obama-to-israelis-jerusalem-is-a-%e2%80%9csettlement%e2%80%9d-by-p-david-hornik/comment-page-2/#comment-6419 LindaRivera Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:35:35 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/?p=37838#comment-6419 To andyfree<br><br>Hamas/PA Target JEWISH INNOCENTS. Israel Targets Terrorists<br><br>Elites oppose Jews defending themselves from thousands of rocket attacks.<br> <br>In a military response several years overdue, Israel warned Gaza civilians via loudspeakers, thousands of leaflets and 200,000 telephone calls urging evacuation of battle areas. The IDF aborted missile strikes to prevent civilian casualties, opened a field clinic for Muslims on Gaza's border, and constantly gave humanitarian aid whilst Hamas waged WAR against innocent Israeli civilians.<br> <br>The Islamics commit war crimes: they use human shields; hide behind women and children; wage war from densely populated areas, store and fire rockets from residential buildings, schools, hospitals & mosques to deliberately MAXIMISE Arab injuries and deaths so that when Israel fires back in self defense and accidentally kills civilians, the Islamics scream to the world, but the blood of the Arabs is on the heads of the Islamics.<br> <br>Hamas Charter of RELIGIOUS HATE and Genocide of Non-Muslims:<br> 'Israel, by virtue of its being Jewish and of having a Jewish population, defies Islam and the Muslims. Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.'<br> <br>It is not about land, it's about intense religious hate that demands the mass murder of non-Muslim innocents. Jews are targeted first.<br> <br>An Israeli hospital treated a Muslim woman-she returned strapped with a bomb belt to blow up amongst the Jewish doctors and nurses who helped her.<br> <br>Hezbollah leader Nasarallah:<br> <br>If they (Jews) all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide. (Daily Star, Oct. 23, 2002)<br> <br> Hamas TV video teaches that bombs that kill Israelis are more precious to an Arab mother than her children.<br> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIBNRVgq59Y" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIBNRVgq59Y</a><br><br> Religious HATE and Religious MURDER of Jews and other non-Muslims is taught in mosques worldwide.<br><br> Palestinian Authority Muslims CELEBRATE 9/11 Murders of 3,000 American innocents.<br> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrM0dAFsZ8k" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrM0dAFsZ8k</a><br><br> The Palestinian Authority hailed as heroes the terrorists who brutally murdered defenseless 8 months pregnant Jewish mother, Tali Hatuel, and 4 little daughters in Gush Katif in May 2004.<br><br> Muslim killers of Jewish children are adored-Palestinian Authority newspaper al-Hayat al-Jadida called savage child-killer Kuntar "a beacon of light" and an "authentic role model." Palestinian Authority leader, Abbas, called Kuntar a hero. Syria's Assad said Kuntar was chief among honorable men and awarded Kuntar Syria's highest medal, the Syrian Order of Merit.<br> <br> ISRAELINSIDER.COM<br> Thousands of Palestin<br> ians again celebrate attacks, videotape suppressed<br> By Ellis Shuman and israelinsider staff September 16, 2001<br><br> On Friday and Saturday, thousands of Palestinians again paraded through cities in the West Bank and Gaza, celebrating the attacks on the United States.<br> "Jubilant Palestinians took to the streets of refugee camps of Lebanon and the West Bank, waving Palestinian flags and distributing sweets to celebrate the attacks.<br><br> "Palestinian policemen celebrating and shooting into the air, in addition to civilians dancing,"<br> ...Arab students at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem held a party Tuesday night celebrating the attacks and giving out candy to participants.<br> <a href="http://www.israelinsider.com/channels/diplomacy/articles/dip_0087.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.israelinsider.com/channels/diplomacy...</a><br> <br> Hamas Member of Parliament Fathi Hammad, February 29, 2008 on Al-Aqsa TV that for PA Arabs, "death has become an industry at which women excel… The elderly excel at this, and so do the mujahideen and the children."<br><br> Translated by MEMRI, Hammad : "This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly and the mujahideen, in order to challenge the Zionist bombing machine. It is as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: 'We desire death like you desire life."<br> <br> There has not been a single Muslim street demonstration to protest the cruel, massive Islamic attacks on non-Muslims in New York, Bali, India, Phillipines, Israel, London, Beslan, Madrid and more.<br> <br> ACJ - Vilified: TELLING LIES ABOUT ISRAEL<br> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op5vT3vnfOk" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op5vT3vnfOk</a> To andyfree

Hamas/PA Target JEWISH INNOCENTS. Israel Targets Terrorists

Elites oppose Jews defending themselves from thousands of rocket attacks.

In a military response several years overdue, Israel warned Gaza civilians via loudspeakers, thousands of leaflets and 200,000 telephone calls urging evacuation of battle areas. The IDF aborted missile strikes to prevent civilian casualties, opened a field clinic for Muslims on Gaza's border, and constantly gave humanitarian aid whilst Hamas waged WAR against innocent Israeli civilians.

The Islamics commit war crimes: they use human shields; hide behind women and children; wage war from densely populated areas, store and fire rockets from residential buildings, schools, hospitals & mosques to deliberately MAXIMISE Arab injuries and deaths so that when Israel fires back in self defense and accidentally kills civilians, the Islamics scream to the world, but the blood of the Arabs is on the heads of the Islamics.

Hamas Charter of RELIGIOUS HATE and Genocide of Non-Muslims:
'Israel, by virtue of its being Jewish and of having a Jewish population, defies Islam and the Muslims. Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.'

It is not about land, it's about intense religious hate that demands the mass murder of non-Muslim innocents. Jews are targeted first.

An Israeli hospital treated a Muslim woman-she returned strapped with a bomb belt to blow up amongst the Jewish doctors and nurses who helped her.

Hezbollah leader Nasarallah:

If they (Jews) all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide. (Daily Star, Oct. 23, 2002)

Hamas TV video teaches that bombs that kill Israelis are more precious to an Arab mother than her children.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIBNRVgq59Y

Religious HATE and Religious MURDER of Jews and other non-Muslims is taught in mosques worldwide.

Palestinian Authority Muslims CELEBRATE 9/11 Murders of 3,000 American innocents.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrM0dAFsZ8k

The Palestinian Authority hailed as heroes the terrorists who brutally murdered defenseless 8 months pregnant Jewish mother, Tali Hatuel, and 4 little daughters in Gush Katif in May 2004.

Muslim killers of Jewish children are adored-Palestinian Authority newspaper al-Hayat al-Jadida called savage child-killer Kuntar “a beacon of light” and an “authentic role model.” Palestinian Authority leader, Abbas, called Kuntar a hero. Syria's Assad said Kuntar was chief among honorable men and awarded Kuntar Syria's highest medal, the Syrian Order of Merit.

ISRAELINSIDER.COM
Thousands of Palestin
ians again celebrate attacks, videotape suppressed
By Ellis Shuman and israelinsider staff September 16, 2001

On Friday and Saturday, thousands of Palestinians again paraded through cities in the West Bank and Gaza, celebrating the attacks on the United States.
“Jubilant Palestinians took to the streets of refugee camps of Lebanon and the West Bank, waving Palestinian flags and distributing sweets to celebrate the attacks.

“Palestinian policemen celebrating and shooting into the air, in addition to civilians dancing,”
…Arab students at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem held a party Tuesday night celebrating the attacks and giving out candy to participants.
http://www.israelinsider.com/channels/diplomacy…

Hamas Member of Parliament Fathi Hammad, February 29, 2008 on Al-Aqsa TV that for PA Arabs, “death has become an industry at which women excel… The elderly excel at this, and so do the mujahideen and the children.”

Translated by MEMRI, Hammad : “This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly and the mujahideen, in order to challenge the Zionist bombing machine. It is as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: 'We desire death like you desire life.”

There has not been a single Muslim street demonstration to protest the cruel, massive Islamic attacks on non-Muslims in New York, Bali, India, Phillipines, Israel, London, Beslan, Madrid and more.

ACJ – Vilified: TELLING LIES ABOUT ISRAEL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op5vT3vnfOk

]]> By: LindaRivera http://frontpagemag.com/2009/11/20/obama-to-israelis-jerusalem-is-a-%e2%80%9csettlement%e2%80%9d-by-p-david-hornik/comment-page-2/#comment-6416 LindaRivera Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:29:43 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/?p=37838#comment-6416 To andyfree:<br><br>Col. Richard Kemp, a British commander in Bosnia and Afghanistan<br>stated: "The Israel Defense Forces did more to SAFEGUARD the rights of civilians in a combat zone than any other army in the history of warfare. " (Guardian-UK)<br><br>Goldstone Gaza Report: Col. Richard Kemp Testifies at U.N. Emergency Session<br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX6vyT8RzMo&feature=player_embedded" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX6vyT8RzMo&feat...</a> To andyfree:

Col. Richard Kemp, a British commander in Bosnia and Afghanistan
stated: “The Israel Defense Forces did more to SAFEGUARD the rights of civilians in a combat zone than any other army in the history of warfare. ” (Guardian-UK)

Goldstone Gaza Report: Col. Richard Kemp Testifies at U.N. Emergency Session
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX6vyT8RzMo&feat…

]]> By: Lary9 http://frontpagemag.com/2009/11/20/obama-to-israelis-jerusalem-is-a-%e2%80%9csettlement%e2%80%9d-by-p-david-hornik/comment-page-2/#comment-6370 Lary9 Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:39:31 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/?p=37838#comment-6370 I was glad to give you a soap box for further frothy hyperbole. I was glad to give you a soap box for further frothy hyperbole.

]]> By: antifascist18 http://frontpagemag.com/2009/11/20/obama-to-israelis-jerusalem-is-a-%e2%80%9csettlement%e2%80%9d-by-p-david-hornik/comment-page-2/#comment-6354 antifascist18 Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:20:54 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/?p=37838#comment-6354 Chimp Out by 012, and his fellow Democratic Nazi Party members in Congress who are about to shove a totalitarian lethal care plan down our throats much sooner.<br><br>And for those offended by me calling our little pew-sitting, coward and liar piece of crap a Chimp, tough. You were calling a REAL MAN AND PRESIDENT, Bush, much worse the past 8 years. He protected us and supported our allies, Jeremiah Wright's little boy betrays and screws us.<br><br>Chimp Out. Chimp Out by 012, and his fellow Democratic Nazi Party members in Congress who are about to shove a totalitarian lethal care plan down our throats much sooner.

And for those offended by me calling our little pew-sitting, coward and liar piece of crap a Chimp, tough. You were calling a REAL MAN AND PRESIDENT, Bush, much worse the past 8 years. He protected us and supported our allies, Jeremiah Wright's little boy betrays and screws us.

Chimp Out.

]]> By: Yehuda http://frontpagemag.com/2009/11/20/obama-to-israelis-jerusalem-is-a-%e2%80%9csettlement%e2%80%9d-by-p-david-hornik/comment-page-1/#comment-6349 Yehuda Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:44:58 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/?p=37838#comment-6349 The very existence of Israel "embitters" most Arabs, so does the US President expect Israel to peacefully fade away to please them?<br>Under international law that was determined in 1922 by the Council of the League of Nations the entire western part of The land of Israel between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River was acknowledged legitimately to become the renascent Jewish nation-state. Anyone who denies this is flouting legality. The very existence of Israel “embitters” most Arabs, so does the US President expect Israel to peacefully fade away to please them?
Under international law that was determined in 1922 by the Council of the League of Nations the entire western part of The land of Israel between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River was acknowledged legitimately to become the renascent Jewish nation-state. Anyone who denies this is flouting legality.

]]> By: nesivos http://frontpagemag.com/2009/11/20/obama-to-israelis-jerusalem-is-a-%e2%80%9csettlement%e2%80%9d-by-p-david-hornik/comment-page-1/#comment-6318 nesivos Mon, 23 Nov 2009 03:11:12 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/?p=37838#comment-6318 When Feiglin becomes Prime Minister, within the next couple of years, whatever America wants with regards to Israel will become irrelevant. When Feiglin becomes Prime Minister, within the next couple of years, whatever America wants with regards to Israel will become irrelevant.

]]> By: LucyQ http://frontpagemag.com/2009/11/20/obama-to-israelis-jerusalem-is-a-%e2%80%9csettlement%e2%80%9d-by-p-david-hornik/comment-page-1/#comment-6313 LucyQ Sun, 22 Nov 2009 22:45:10 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/?p=37838#comment-6313 Israel has the right to self-defense whether it's one rocket or 1,000 rockets. All it takes is one to land in an extremely populated area and there would be thousands of deaths.<br><br>The right to self-defense trumps any and all international treaties for every member nation. I hope Israel keeps using her excellent intelligence to find and keep all the bombs, rockets and machine guns that Iran sends to Hamas.......what does international law say about that? Israel has the right to self-defense whether it's one rocket or 1,000 rockets. All it takes is one to land in an extremely populated area and there would be thousands of deaths.

The right to self-defense trumps any and all international treaties for every member nation. I hope Israel keeps using her excellent intelligence to find and keep all the bombs, rockets and machine guns that Iran sends to Hamas…….what does international law say about that?

]]> By: LucyQ http://frontpagemag.com/2009/11/20/obama-to-israelis-jerusalem-is-a-%e2%80%9csettlement%e2%80%9d-by-p-david-hornik/comment-page-1/#comment-6311 LucyQ Sun, 22 Nov 2009 22:36:33 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/?p=37838#comment-6311 Right. It's such a stupid argument, 'does Israel have the right to exist?' that only the true anti-Semites such as Pat Buchanan, even bother.<br><br>I looked for your post you said you'd place at the bottom of the thread the other day on another thread and it wasn't there......it took forever and a day to scroll all the way down but did it. If it happens again, start the new message at the top.....lol. Right. It's such a stupid argument, 'does Israel have the right to exist?' that only the true anti-Semites such as Pat Buchanan, even bother.

I looked for your post you said you'd place at the bottom of the thread the other day on another thread and it wasn't there……it took forever and a day to scroll all the way down but did it. If it happens again, start the new message at the top…..lol.

]]> By: BS77 http://frontpagemag.com/2009/11/20/obama-to-israelis-jerusalem-is-a-%e2%80%9csettlement%e2%80%9d-by-p-david-hornik/comment-page-1/#comment-6310 BS77 Sun, 22 Nov 2009 22:36:22 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/?p=37838#comment-6310 I like settlements...lots more settlements. Israel is Judea and Samaria. THe Muslim nations occupy lands 1000 times greater than tiny Israel...but they are not content ...no, they must have the West Bank, then Jerusalem, then all of Israel....Muslims outnumber Jews by over 100 to 1, but see, tiny Israel is the "aggressor"....all you liberal dupes have been brainwashed by the endless propaganda and lies spewed out by radical anti semites like Norm Finkelstein and his insect followers. Stand with Israel. SUpport Israel's defense and people. Israel is the only pluralistic, democratic and modern nation in that horrible, squalid region... I like settlements…lots more settlements. Israel is Judea and Samaria. THe Muslim nations occupy lands 1000 times greater than tiny Israel…but they are not content …no, they must have the West Bank, then Jerusalem, then all of Israel….Muslims outnumber Jews by over 100 to 1, but see, tiny Israel is the “aggressor”….all you liberal dupes have been brainwashed by the endless propaganda and lies spewed out by radical anti semites like Norm Finkelstein and his insect followers. Stand with Israel. SUpport Israel's defense and people. Israel is the only pluralistic, democratic and modern nation in that horrible, squalid region…

]]> By: BS77 http://frontpagemag.com/2009/11/20/obama-to-israelis-jerusalem-is-a-%e2%80%9csettlement%e2%80%9d-by-p-david-hornik/comment-page-1/#comment-6309 BS77 Sun, 22 Nov 2009 22:30:58 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/?p=37838#comment-6309 Judea and Samaria should be part of Israel proper. The so called West Bank is a fiction that has taken on a life of its own, just like the fictional "Palestinian State"....Palestinians are Jordanian Arabs and Bedouins...there are no Palestinians.....Jerusalem is mentioned hundreds of times in the Bible...not once in the Koran. Let's get real. Judea and Samaria should be part of Israel proper. The so called West Bank is a fiction that has taken on a life of its own, just like the fictional “Palestinian State”….Palestinians are Jordanian Arabs and Bedouins…there are no Palestinians…..Jerusalem is mentioned hundreds of times in the Bible…not once in the Koran. Let's get real.

]]> By: andyFree http://frontpagemag.com/2009/11/20/obama-to-israelis-jerusalem-is-a-%e2%80%9csettlement%e2%80%9d-by-p-david-hornik/comment-page-1/#comment-6302 andyFree Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:42:33 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/?p=37838#comment-6302 Almost everyone in the West was fooled by the propaganda of "1967 defensive war". But it no longer cuts any ice and you can partly blame Moshe Dayan for spilling the beans.<br><br>And, even while people believed the story that Israel had spun, nobody thought Israel could hold onto the new territory it thought it had acquired - Resolution 242 in 1967 granted Israel what it had seized in 1948 - but it came at a price, the preambular paragraph of it emphasized "the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war."<br><br>Netanyahu wants the law on war-crimes changed - he will not get that, and he won't get carte-blanche to keep territory seized in 1967 either! Almost everyone in the West was fooled by the propaganda of “1967 defensive war”. But it no longer cuts any ice and you can partly blame Moshe Dayan for spilling the beans.

And, even while people believed the story that Israel had spun, nobody thought Israel could hold onto the new territory it thought it had acquired – Resolution 242 in 1967 granted Israel what it had seized in 1948 – but it came at a price, the preambular paragraph of it emphasized “the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war.”

Netanyahu wants the law on war-crimes changed – he will not get that, and he won't get carte-blanche to keep territory seized in 1967 either!

]]> By: andyFree http://frontpagemag.com/2009/11/20/obama-to-israelis-jerusalem-is-a-%e2%80%9csettlement%e2%80%9d-by-p-david-hornik/comment-page-1/#comment-6267 andyFree Sun, 22 Nov 2009 11:36:28 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/?p=37838#comment-6267 You'll have to ask Netanyahu why he wants to change International Law - but raising the subject is a dead give-away that Israel committed war-crimes this time, as even the pro-Israel JPost thought worth reporting <a href="http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1256150022684&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull" rel="nofollow">http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1256...</a> <br><br>Yet Goldstone didn't even look at the most serious International Crime, the "waging of Aggressive War". Hamas almost eliminated the rockets in 2008 (down from 380/month to 7/month, 98%) - until Israel broke the cease-fire, first killing another 7 Gazans and then carrying out an Hannukah invasion they'd planned for at least 6 months. Bluster all you like, everyone who matters knows what happened. (See page 10 of this pro-Israel source <a href="http://www.terrorism-info.org.il/malam_multimedia/English/eng_n/pdf/hamas_e017.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.terrorism-info.org.il/malam_multimed...</a>)<br><br>And re-writing 1967 won't wash for you either. Everyone knows what Moshe Dayan (the war's author) told us, Israel had long been seizing territory and started a war for the purpose of seizing more. (Rami Tal is an Israeli journalist who recalls his astonishment at hearing Moshe Dayan saying it, 2minutes and 20 seconds into this YouTube <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hrjTvWZkgY" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hrjTvWZkgY</a>)<br><br>The world is changing fast and world-leadership by China is going to be much nastier than what the US has been doing. Israelis live on the same continent as China and they understand dangers that Americans can only guess. Super-power China has no truck with small countries. The JPost again: <a href="http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1207238167463&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull" rel="nofollow">http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1207...</a> - "ideological crisis Israel is facing over the record-low - and shrinking - aliya figures."<br><br>Sorry to keep repeating "Everyone knows" - but it's true! You'll have to ask Netanyahu why he wants to change International Law – but raising the subject is a dead give-away that Israel committed war-crimes this time, as even the pro-Israel JPost thought worth reporting http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1256…

Yet Goldstone didn't even look at the most serious International Crime, the “waging of Aggressive War”. Hamas almost eliminated the rockets in 2008 (down from 380/month to 7/month, 98%) – until Israel broke the cease-fire, first killing another 7 Gazans and then carrying out an Hannukah invasion they'd planned for at least 6 months. Bluster all you like, everyone who matters knows what happened. (See page 10 of this pro-Israel source http://www.terrorism-info.org.il/malam_multimed…)

And re-writing 1967 won't wash for you either. Everyone knows what Moshe Dayan (the war's author) told us, Israel had long been seizing territory and started a war for the purpose of seizing more. (Rami Tal is an Israeli journalist who recalls his astonishment at hearing Moshe Dayan saying it, 2minutes and 20 seconds into this YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hrjTvWZkgY)

The world is changing fast and world-leadership by China is going to be much nastier than what the US has been doing. Israelis live on the same continent as China and they understand dangers that Americans can only guess. Super-power China has no truck with small countries. The JPost again: http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1207… – “ideological crisis Israel is facing over the record-low – and shrinking – aliya figures.”

Sorry to keep repeating “Everyone knows” – but it's true!

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