Comments on: An Intimate Understanding of the Founders – by David Forsmark

By: davidforsmark

davidforsmark — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:33:37 +0000

In 2003, American Heritage, after examining the evidence, said “Whatever one's views, it is hard to deny that honorable people can and do disagree about Jefferson and Hemings…It's important for the public to realize that the purported Jefferson-Hemings liaison remains a disputed possibility, not an established fact.”

By: davidforsmark

davidforsmark — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:49:02 +0000

Sorry, the “open secret” is a myth. The ONLY contemporary writing on this is from Callender, or related partisan attacks. It would have prevented Jefferson from becoming President were it well known. The long term relationship is almost impossible to be true. Randolph only became a suspect recently because people only started taking this crap seriously recently. And it would have been MORE politically charged back then, not less. Are you kidding me?

By: davidforsmark

davidforsmark — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:35:24 +0000

wow, three good comments in a row. Thanks for reassuring me that not only the nutty fringe is reading this column!

By: bushlikesdick12

bushlikesdick12 — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:18:07 +0000

Dennis X,

Blacks were not the only people held in bondage those days Dennis. How about he fact that an indentured Journeyman can have an apprentice for 10 years of his life?

He can not break his contract due to the fact that the journeyman is giving the apprentice his skill in return for his labor. The journeyman is entitled to 10 years.

In many cases, the apprentice was his comforter during the night: meaning the apprentice was subjected to giving the journeyman sexual pleasure.

In Short, that was the mentality of the times and there were signs of these times all the way through the 1960's.

Animals, on the contrary are human. slaves are human but were considered less that human intellectually.

Also, if you want to make a far comparison, what about women in general? They didn''t have a right to vote, they would often get beaten by their husbands without any sort of intervention from the authorities.

So how much does that separate your wife from farm animals and slaves based on your understanding?

So a sick pup today may be pretty casual sex then.

I know if I was a slave owner I would be lusting over some of that black booty and if you say different then you are probably a prude fag or something, Probably just a liar.

By: trodaball

trodaball — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:18:44 +0000

From the founder's comtemporary writings, there was serious inner turmoil among many of the founders over slavery which led them to entertain the hope, even amongst the surrounding pressure from landowners, that slavery would cease. They were born into a worldwide culture of slavery where they knew it was wrong and wanted it rectified, but wanted to phase it out by appealing to the Christian conscience of society, hoping that would quell another revolution. The ” white Christian ” accusation is only fractionally correct because the clergy, which held substantial influence, pushed the Protestant Christian majority to take opposition to slavery, which ultimately led to it's end. We became the first country to abolish it. It's sad today's Left chooses to flat out lie about our history, to conveniently take cheap shots at America. Their secular Marxist utopia has so much more of a rich wonderful past to hang out hopes on.

By: kevinlewis

kevinlewis — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 04:47:37 +0000

Thanks so much for the post! It is such interesting information.

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By: davidhorowitz

davidhorowitz — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 02:15:54 +0000

All of these posts are quickly degenerating into the usual emotional diatribes that usual accompany such suggestive claims. The fact is, Jefferson had a long-running affair with Sally Hemings. On the other hand, Sally was not the usual run-of-the-mill slave. On the contrary, she was a light-skinned mulatto, and the half sister of Thomas's deceased wife. The relationship was well known during his lifetime – simply an 'open secret'. Whether or not ALL of her children are related paternally to Thomas is open to question, however. The Jefferson Foundation acknowledges the Jefferson paternity claims. In regards to Randolph, he was never a 'suspect' until recent DNA tests proved the links to the Jefferson line. He's only been introduced to deflect attention away from Thomas. On the other hand, charges by self-styled black militants, who correctly decry the fairly widespread travesty of the rape of black female slaves by slaveowners, unfairly categorize the Hemings case as such to gain political traction. The affair was more nuanced, long-lasting, and probably mutually beneficial. They even traveled together. In the end, the affair is probably even more politically charged for those engaged in the 21st Century Kulture Wars than it was even for those intimately involved.

By: Carterthewriter

Carterthewriter — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 01:52:22 +0000

I have no idea why some people search for something controversial to dwell on while missing the gist of the materila presented in the book. It points out what is wrong in America today. Quite sad, too.

By: davidforsmark

davidforsmark — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:34:27 +0000

Sorry Dennis, you fall to second place.

By: reat

reat — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:15:30 +0000

Great response from someone who has obviously had relationships with farm aniamals. Try a response with facts. Jefferson had sex with his slave=fact.

By: davidforsmark

davidforsmark — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:06:03 +0000

In the running for most ignorant post of the day. Congrats.

By: Dennis X

Dennis X — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:46:09 +0000

Jefferson was a sick man. As a slaveowner he had to have one position to justify owning slaves, that is they were like cattle something less than human. So he had sex with someone he considered less than human= sick puppy. Or , even worst if he did realize they were human beings and he still maintained them bondage That makes him less than human. All part of white christian nation building.