Comments on: The Con Artists of Climategate – by Floyd and Mary Beth Brown http://frontpagemag.com/2009/12/04/the-con-artists-of-climategate-by-floyd-and-mary-beth-brown/ Sat, 26 May 2012 18:22:14 +0000 hourly 1 By: Ed Darrell http://frontpagemag.com/2009/12/04/the-con-artists-of-climategate-by-floyd-and-mary-beth-brown/comment-page-1/#comment-82335 Ed Darrell Sun, 26 Sep 2010 10:30:37 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/?p=40339#comment-82335 <a href="http://news.discovery.com/earth/heat-record-climate-change.html" rel="nofollow">http://news.discovery.com/earth/heat-record-clima...</a> 2010 on track to be hottest year on record. http://news.discovery.com/earth/heat-record-clima…

2010 on track to be hottest year on record.

]]> By: Ed Darrell http://frontpagemag.com/2009/12/04/the-con-artists-of-climategate-by-floyd-and-mary-beth-brown/comment-page-1/#comment-82332 Ed Darrell Sun, 26 Sep 2010 10:28:34 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/?p=40339#comment-82332 Horner <a href="http://news.discovery.com/earth/heat-record-climate-change.html" rel="nofollow">got that one wrong, didn't he</a>? Has Horner ever gotten anything right? Horner got that one wrong, didn't he?

Has Horner ever gotten anything right?

]]> By: Cimategate’s Inconvenient Truth – by Rich Trzupek | FrontPage Magazine http://frontpagemag.com/2009/12/04/the-con-artists-of-climategate-by-floyd-and-mary-beth-brown/comment-page-1/#comment-9225 Cimategate’s Inconvenient Truth – by Rich Trzupek | FrontPage Magazine Tue, 15 Dec 2009 05:17:43 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/?p=40339#comment-9225 [...] global-warming alarmists try to recover from “Climategate,” they have returned to the first principles of selling their product to the public. Among the [...] [...] global-warming alarmists try to recover from “Climategate,” they have returned to the first principles of selling their product to the public. Among the [...]

]]> By: leonious http://frontpagemag.com/2009/12/04/the-con-artists-of-climategate-by-floyd-and-mary-beth-brown/comment-page-1/#comment-8960 leonious Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:34:50 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/?p=40339#comment-8960 Sorry Pal,<br>I lost one of<br>my fingers serving our country while enduring another liberal. Namely,<br>"What's left after you dig the peanuts outta Shit JIMMAH Carter. You<br>are probable so ill educated you were not taught his Rose Garden<br>Strategy .Remember the Iranian Hostage Crisis; HMMMMMM?<br><br> Forgive my inability to tolerant your F@#$%*#@G ignorance.<br><br>Who Loves Ya?<br><br>Leonious<br><br><br><br>________________________________ Sorry Pal,
I lost one of
my fingers serving our country while enduring another liberal. Namely,
“What's left after you dig the peanuts outta Shit JIMMAH Carter. You
are probable so ill educated you were not taught his Rose Garden
Strategy .Remember the Iranian Hostage Crisis; HMMMMMM?

Forgive my inability to tolerant your F@#$%*#@G ignorance.

Who Loves Ya?

Leonious

________________________________

]]> By: WFB2 http://frontpagemag.com/2009/12/04/the-con-artists-of-climategate-by-floyd-and-mary-beth-brown/comment-page-1/#comment-8248 WFB2 Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:14:20 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/?p=40339#comment-8248 See also:<br><a href="http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/12/the_scientific_technological_e.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/12/the_scie...</a> See also:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/12/the_scie…

]]> By: WFB2 http://frontpagemag.com/2009/12/04/the-con-artists-of-climategate-by-floyd-and-mary-beth-brown/comment-page-1/#comment-8246 WFB2 Mon, 07 Dec 2009 20:56:14 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/?p=40339#comment-8246 " you still have not offered proof that global warming is in fact a scam perpetrated by scientists worldwide. It is indeed laughable that they 'lost' their raw data, but it's also still completely possible that the calibrated data they do have is legitimate. This is a situation that should be judged after a thorough, impartial investigation into CRU's research..."<br>***<br>You still fail to understand the protocols of scientific work. It's not up to ME or anyone else to prove the NEGATIVE argument. Suppose I assert that it's pouring rain on the sun and then challenge/require you to prove me wrong? Ridiculous on its face. But then suppose you (needlessly) accept my challenge and ask to see the evidence for my assertion and I tell you "I lost it". Absolutely ridiculous. IT'S UP TO THE PROPONENTS OF THE ARGUMENT TO PROVE IT. That's how science works: Honesty, integrity and valid data available for peer review and criticism. I have a PhD and worked as a research engineer for 30 years and published some of my work so I know how the system works. <br>Give it up - you're just beating a dead political horse.<br><br><a href="http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/12/understanding_climategates_hid.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/12/understa...</a> ” you still have not offered proof that global warming is in fact a scam perpetrated by scientists worldwide. It is indeed laughable that they 'lost' their raw data, but it's also still completely possible that the calibrated data they do have is legitimate. This is a situation that should be judged after a thorough, impartial investigation into CRU's research…”
***
You still fail to understand the protocols of scientific work. It's not up to ME or anyone else to prove the NEGATIVE argument. Suppose I assert that it's pouring rain on the sun and then challenge/require you to prove me wrong? Ridiculous on its face. But then suppose you (needlessly) accept my challenge and ask to see the evidence for my assertion and I tell you “I lost it”. Absolutely ridiculous. IT'S UP TO THE PROPONENTS OF THE ARGUMENT TO PROVE IT. That's how science works: Honesty, integrity and valid data available for peer review and criticism. I have a PhD and worked as a research engineer for 30 years and published some of my work so I know how the system works.
Give it up – you're just beating a dead political horse.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/12/understa…

]]> By: jason_gray http://frontpagemag.com/2009/12/04/the-con-artists-of-climategate-by-floyd-and-mary-beth-brown/comment-page-1/#comment-8235 jason_gray Mon, 07 Dec 2009 19:51:08 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/?p=40339#comment-8235 oh yeah! and this:<br>Considering that man produces less than 2 percent of carbon dioxide in the earth's carbon cycle and for example Mount Pinatubo produced more atmospheric pollutants in one day of eruption than man has produced since the Industrial Revolution, it is naive to think that we can affect warming or cooling by simply reducing all coal fired plants and driving electric cars. oh yeah! and this:
Considering that man produces less than 2 percent of carbon dioxide in the earth's carbon cycle and for example Mount Pinatubo produced more atmospheric pollutants in one day of eruption than man has produced since the Industrial Revolution, it is naive to think that we can affect warming or cooling by simply reducing all coal fired plants and driving electric cars.

]]> By: jason_gray http://frontpagemag.com/2009/12/04/the-con-artists-of-climategate-by-floyd-and-mary-beth-brown/comment-page-1/#comment-8234 jason_gray Mon, 07 Dec 2009 19:49:29 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/?p=40339#comment-8234 i was also reminded of this:<br>Global warming appears to have stalled. Climatologists are puzzled as to why average global temperatures have stopped rising over the last 10 years. Some attribute the trend to a lack of sunspots, while others explain it through ocean currents. i was also reminded of this:
Global warming appears to have stalled. Climatologists are puzzled as to why average global temperatures have stopped rising over the last 10 years. Some attribute the trend to a lack of sunspots, while others explain it through ocean currents.

]]> By: jason_gray http://frontpagemag.com/2009/12/04/the-con-artists-of-climategate-by-floyd-and-mary-beth-brown/comment-page-1/#comment-8233 jason_gray Mon, 07 Dec 2009 19:47:56 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/?p=40339#comment-8233 i'm glad you mentioned that there are many sources of data and opinion on man made global warming. it reminded me of this:<br>last year, more than 31,000 scientists — including 9,021 Ph.D.s — signed a petition sponsored by the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine rejecting claims of human-caused global warming. i'm glad you mentioned that there are many sources of data and opinion on man made global warming. it reminded me of this:
last year, more than 31,000 scientists — including 9,021 Ph.D.s — signed a petition sponsored by the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine rejecting claims of human-caused global warming.

]]> By: spongekill http://frontpagemag.com/2009/12/04/the-con-artists-of-climategate-by-floyd-and-mary-beth-brown/comment-page-1/#comment-8206 spongekill Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:51:05 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/?p=40339#comment-8206 Once again, CRU is not the only source of evidence for climate change, there are decades of research and thousands of studies that have lead to the conclusions being acted upon today. What is wild speculation is assuming all of this to be a vast conspiracy by Al Gore, based on the contents of emails from one from research center. Once again, CRU is not the only source of evidence for climate change, there are decades of research and thousands of studies that have lead to the conclusions being acted upon today. What is wild speculation is assuming all of this to be a vast conspiracy by Al Gore, based on the contents of emails from one from research center.

]]> By: spongekill http://frontpagemag.com/2009/12/04/the-con-artists-of-climategate-by-floyd-and-mary-beth-brown/comment-page-1/#comment-8205 spongekill Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:47:16 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/?p=40339#comment-8205 I feel significantly stupider having tried to actually read that entire comment, but in response all I can say is learn to spell, turn off caps lock, and go do some fornicating yourself because clearly you are more in need of it than I. I feel significantly stupider having tried to actually read that entire comment, but in response all I can say is learn to spell, turn off caps lock, and go do some fornicating yourself because clearly you are more in need of it than I.

]]> By: spongekill http://frontpagemag.com/2009/12/04/the-con-artists-of-climategate-by-floyd-and-mary-beth-brown/comment-page-1/#comment-8204 spongekill Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:46:28 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/?p=40339#comment-8204 I'll admit when I wrote that post I was not aware their alleged "loss" of their original data, which is ridiculous and inexcusable.<br><br>That being said, you still have not offered proof that global warming is in fact a scam perpetrated by scientists worldwide. It is indeed laughable that they 'lost' their raw data, but it's also still completely possible that the calibrated data they do have is legitimate. This is a situation that should be judged after a thorough, impartial investigation into CRU's research, NOT by making grandiose conclusions based on headlines.<br><br>As for peer review- the complaints they had with the dissenters was not that they were dissenting, but that the reports they used to do so were themselves not held up for peer review. They were discussing boycotting journals for publishing reports that were NOT properly reviewed, not because they "didn't agree." <br><br>I didn't (and wouldn't) point you to dailykos for analysis.. if you'd clicked on that link you would've learned it's a rarely mentioned interview with Michael Mann in which he clearly explains the actual meaning of the infamous "hide the decline" quote, among other things.<br><br>On top of all this is the fact that there decades of research and thousands of studies that have all independently reached the same conclusions about climate change. East Anglia's data is not the only source of evidence. I'll admit when I wrote that post I was not aware their alleged “loss” of their original data, which is ridiculous and inexcusable.

That being said, you still have not offered proof that global warming is in fact a scam perpetrated by scientists worldwide. It is indeed laughable that they 'lost' their raw data, but it's also still completely possible that the calibrated data they do have is legitimate. This is a situation that should be judged after a thorough, impartial investigation into CRU's research, NOT by making grandiose conclusions based on headlines.

As for peer review- the complaints they had with the dissenters was not that they were dissenting, but that the reports they used to do so were themselves not held up for peer review. They were discussing boycotting journals for publishing reports that were NOT properly reviewed, not because they “didn't agree.”

I didn't (and wouldn't) point you to dailykos for analysis.. if you'd clicked on that link you would've learned it's a rarely mentioned interview with Michael Mann in which he clearly explains the actual meaning of the infamous “hide the decline” quote, among other things.

On top of all this is the fact that there decades of research and thousands of studies that have all independently reached the same conclusions about climate change. East Anglia's data is not the only source of evidence.

]]> By: BRUCINKO http://frontpagemag.com/2009/12/04/the-con-artists-of-climategate-by-floyd-and-mary-beth-brown/comment-page-1/#comment-8144 BRUCINKO Mon, 07 Dec 2009 03:52:47 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/?p=40339#comment-8144 "People caused"?<br><br>We have lost the culture war if neo-marxist language constructs replace standard English on "conservative" web sites. I believe "man-caused" is the proper form. “People caused”?

We have lost the culture war if neo-marxist language constructs replace standard English on “conservative” web sites. I believe “man-caused” is the proper form.

]]> By: bubba4 http://frontpagemag.com/2009/12/04/the-con-artists-of-climategate-by-floyd-and-mary-beth-brown/comment-page-1/#comment-8093 bubba4 Sun, 06 Dec 2009 06:22:50 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/?p=40339#comment-8093 Gee, you would think at that ripe old age you would have figured out how to toggle the caps lock by now. Gee, you would think at that ripe old age you would have figured out how to toggle the caps lock by now.

]]> By: bubba4 http://frontpagemag.com/2009/12/04/the-con-artists-of-climategate-by-floyd-and-mary-beth-brown/comment-page-1/#comment-8092 bubba4 Sun, 06 Dec 2009 06:20:16 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/?p=40339#comment-8092 Since the CRU isn't the single repository of all climate knowledge, I'll think we'll be OK. Since the CRU isn't the single repository of all climate knowledge, I'll think we'll be OK.

]]> By: bubba4 http://frontpagemag.com/2009/12/04/the-con-artists-of-climategate-by-floyd-and-mary-beth-brown/comment-page-1/#comment-8091 bubba4 Sun, 06 Dec 2009 06:18:39 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/?p=40339#comment-8091 Just think...he can buy a gun with no waiting period or background check. Just think…he can buy a gun with no waiting period or background check.

]]> By: jason_gray http://frontpagemag.com/2009/12/04/the-con-artists-of-climategate-by-floyd-and-mary-beth-brown/comment-page-1/#comment-8090 jason_gray Sun, 06 Dec 2009 05:46:13 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/?p=40339#comment-8090 they threw away their raw data. none of their "evidence" is testable or repeatable. it is not science. scientific knowledge has to be falsifiable,<br>it has to be able to be disproven.<br>knowledge of the future is not falsifiable,<br>therefore is not science.<br><br>man made global warming is based on wild speculations about the future. they threw away their raw data. none of their “evidence” is testable or repeatable. it is not science. scientific knowledge has to be falsifiable,
it has to be able to be disproven.
knowledge of the future is not falsifiable,
therefore is not science.

man made global warming is based on wild speculations about the future.

]]> By: jason_gray http://frontpagemag.com/2009/12/04/the-con-artists-of-climategate-by-floyd-and-mary-beth-brown/comment-page-1/#comment-8089 jason_gray Sun, 06 Dec 2009 05:44:20 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/?p=40339#comment-8089 Scientists at the University of East Anglia Climate Research Unit have admitted that they threw away much of the raw temperature data used in their predictions of global warming. The result of that action is that other scientists will not be able to verify the CRU calculations that they say show a rise in the Earth's average temperature over the past 150 years. Scientists at the University of East Anglia Climate Research Unit have admitted that they threw away much of the raw temperature data used in their predictions of global warming. The result of that action is that other scientists will not be able to verify the CRU calculations that they say show a rise in the Earth's average temperature over the past 150 years.

]]> By: leonious http://frontpagemag.com/2009/12/04/the-con-artists-of-climategate-by-floyd-and-mary-beth-brown/comment-page-1/#comment-8085 leonious Sun, 06 Dec 2009 00:51:12 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/?p=40339#comment-8085 yOU ARE STUPID AS YOUR ARSE IS PROBABLE WIDE. aT 53 I'VE JUST ABOUT HAD IT UP TO MY EYEBALLS WITH RANK STUPIDITY MASQUERADING AS INTELLIGENCE.<br><br>BLOW ME JUNIOR yOU ARE STUPID AS YOUR ARSE IS PROBABLE WIDE. aT 53 I'VE JUST ABOUT HAD IT UP TO MY EYEBALLS WITH RANK STUPIDITY MASQUERADING AS INTELLIGENCE.

BLOW ME JUNIOR

]]> By: leonious http://frontpagemag.com/2009/12/04/the-con-artists-of-climategate-by-floyd-and-mary-beth-brown/comment-page-1/#comment-8084 leonious Sun, 06 Dec 2009 00:46:32 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/?p=40339#comment-8084 yOU MUST BE ONE OF THOS IDIOTS THQT IS TOO SELF CENTERED TO HAVE KIDS, GOT A gd DOG INSTEAD. dOES IT TAKE ROCK SALT IN YOUR ARSE TO CONVINCE YOU THE SIGN SAID no tresspassing/ unbelievable<br>IN THE WORDS OF ONE OF THE SO CALLED SCIENTIST I'D LOVE TO BET THE CRAP OUT OF YOU L0F@#$%%1LOUD<br><br>sINCE WHEN DID THE POLITICAL HACKS FUNDED BY GEORGE SOROS BECOME THE AVATARS OF ANYTHING BESIDES HATE. YOU ARE NAIEVe BEYOND YOUR WILDEST DREAMS. REMEMBER THE DEFINITION oF IS, CALL ME SENATOR GENERAL. HARRY WHERE DO WE NEED TO PUT THAT BRIDGE TO INCREASE THE VALUE OF OUR PROPERTY IN NEVADA. DO I REALY NEED TO GO THROUGH THE LITANY OF CORRUPTION. DODD AND OBAMA FILIBUSTERING REIGNING IN FANNIE MAE AND FREDDIE MACK JUST TO NAME A FEW LEST WE FORGET CLINTON AND BOB RUEBEN DOING IN GLASS STEAGAL AND HENRY GONZALES AND SHIT WITHOUT THE PEANUTS JIMMAH CARTER. RAISING FDIC TO 200,00 PER DEPOSITOR PRECIPITATING THE SAVINGS AND LOAN. CORRUPT TO THE CORE ALL YOU PROGRESSIVE PIECES OF HUMAN DEBRIS.<br><br>ALL YOU PEOPLE ARE FORNICATIN LIARS. IT TAKES A ROCKET SCIENTIST TO COMPILE FALSE LYING ASS DATA.<br><br>IT SURE AS HADES DOESN'T TAKE ONe TO FIGURE OUT WHEN SOUL-LESS Bastard GORE, HOLDREN, ET AL ARE PISSING DOWN ORDINARY PEOPLE'S BACKS WHILE TELLING THEM ITS RAINING.<br><br>READ THIS UNEQUIVOCALLY. YOU ARE A FORNICATRING MORON IN THE CLASS YOUR ILK IN THE WODROW WILSON DAYS SOUGHT TO HAVE EUTANIZED. <br><br>BUGGER OFF ARSEHOLE yOU MUST BE ONE OF THOS IDIOTS THQT IS TOO SELF CENTERED TO HAVE KIDS, GOT A gd DOG INSTEAD. dOES IT TAKE ROCK SALT IN YOUR ARSE TO CONVINCE YOU THE SIGN SAID no tresspassing/ unbelievable
IN THE WORDS OF ONE OF THE SO CALLED SCIENTIST I'D LOVE TO BET THE CRAP OUT OF YOU L0F@#$%%1LOUD

sINCE WHEN DID THE POLITICAL HACKS FUNDED BY GEORGE SOROS BECOME THE AVATARS OF ANYTHING BESIDES HATE. YOU ARE NAIEVe BEYOND YOUR WILDEST DREAMS. REMEMBER THE DEFINITION oF IS, CALL ME SENATOR GENERAL. HARRY WHERE DO WE NEED TO PUT THAT BRIDGE TO INCREASE THE VALUE OF OUR PROPERTY IN NEVADA. DO I REALY NEED TO GO THROUGH THE LITANY OF CORRUPTION. DODD AND OBAMA FILIBUSTERING REIGNING IN FANNIE MAE AND FREDDIE MACK JUST TO NAME A FEW LEST WE FORGET CLINTON AND BOB RUEBEN DOING IN GLASS STEAGAL AND HENRY GONZALES AND SHIT WITHOUT THE PEANUTS JIMMAH CARTER. RAISING FDIC TO 200,00 PER DEPOSITOR PRECIPITATING THE SAVINGS AND LOAN. CORRUPT TO THE CORE ALL YOU PROGRESSIVE PIECES OF HUMAN DEBRIS.

ALL YOU PEOPLE ARE FORNICATIN LIARS. IT TAKES A ROCKET SCIENTIST TO COMPILE FALSE LYING ASS DATA.

IT SURE AS HADES DOESN'T TAKE ONe TO FIGURE OUT WHEN SOUL-LESS Bastard GORE, HOLDREN, ET AL ARE PISSING DOWN ORDINARY PEOPLE'S BACKS WHILE TELLING THEM ITS RAINING.

READ THIS UNEQUIVOCALLY. YOU ARE A FORNICATRING MORON IN THE CLASS YOUR ILK IN THE WODROW WILSON DAYS SOUGHT TO HAVE EUTANIZED.

BUGGER OFF ARSEHOLE

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