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		<title>By: Anna Bui</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna Bui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 13:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear 
I am working to create a comprehensive web site which consolidates information about Refugee Camps in SE Asia.  The site will be created by and for refugees.  We have many stories, and much information, as well as those who want news of family and friends, etc... scattered all over the web and the world.  Therefore I want to have 1 web site for all VN refugee info.  To do that, I need help from many people.   
 
Please send me (and pass this along to your friends): 
 
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         Whatever pictures you have of the camp and the refugees 
         Your story, in either English or Vietnamese; and whether you would like it edited for grammer and punctuation, or prefer that it be published as is 
         Any other details you may have 
 
I&#039;ve already registered the domain name for this website: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.refugeecamps.net&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.refugeecamps.net&lt;/a&gt; and refugeecamps.info. Both will point to the same place. 
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Thanks very much for your time and help. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear<br />
I am working to create a comprehensive web site which consolidates information about Refugee Camps in SE Asia.  The site will be created by and for refugees.  We have many stories, and much information, as well as those who want news of family and friends, etc&#8230; scattered all over the web and the world.  Therefore I want to have 1 web site for all VN refugee info.  To do that, I need help from many people.   </p>
<p>Please send me (and pass this along to your friends): </p>
<p>         boat numbers<br />
         Number of people in the boat<br />
         Date left VN<br />
         Date arrived at refugee camp, name of camp<br />
         Whatever pictures you have of the camp and the refugees<br />
         Your story, in either English or Vietnamese; and whether you would like it edited for grammer and punctuation, or prefer that it be published as is<br />
         Any other details you may have </p>
<p>I&#039;ve already registered the domain name for this website: <a href="http://www.refugeecamps.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.refugeecamps.net</a> and refugeecamps.info. Both will point to the same place.<br />
I am working on the website, and have begun to visit refugee camp sites.  With your help, we will be online soon. </p>
<p>Please join us on face book at:  <a href="http://www.facebook.com/groups/237414599670326/" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/groups/237414599670326/</a> </p>
<p>Thanks very much for your time and help.<br />
<a href="mailto:vt268tengah@gmail.com">vt268tengah@gmail.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: hosting 1</title>
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		<dc:creator>hosting 1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 09:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terrific work! This is the type of information that are supposed to be shared around the web. Shame on the search engines for no longer positioning this post upper! Come on over and consult with my web site . Thank you =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terrific work! This is the type of information that are supposed to be shared around the web. Shame on the search engines for no longer positioning this post upper! Come on over and consult with my web site . Thank you =)</p>
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		<title>By: Evangelina Metenosky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evangelina Metenosky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi First time bounded here on your site, founde on ASK I am delighted to find your wonderful website online. I look for Grandmother on Mother. How to Honor a Grandmother on Mother&#039;s Day. With a ready ear and a warm hug, your grandmother has likely supported you through all your ups and downs over?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi First time bounded here on your site, founde on ASK I am delighted to find your wonderful website online. I look for Grandmother on Mother. How to Honor a Grandmother on Mother&#8217;s Day. With a ready ear and a warm hug, your grandmother has likely supported you through all your ups and downs over?</p>
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		<title>By: The Christmas Card Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Man to plead guilty in 2007 Christmas card killing - Toronto Star</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Christmas Card Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Man to plead guilty in 2007 Christmas card killing - Toronto Star</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 07:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Remembering South Vietnam with an Ecumenical Christmas Card – by - Front PageThe National Council of Churches (NCC) has dispatched its 2009 Christmas card and end of the year solicitation, advertising its “ecumenical efforts for our common witness in this fragile world.” It asserts that the NCC “makes visible the gift [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Remembering South Vietnam with an Ecumenical Christmas Card – by &#8211; Front PageThe National Council of Churches (NCC) has dispatched its 2009 Christmas card and end of the year solicitation, advertising its “ecumenical efforts for our common witness in this fragile world.” It asserts that the NCC “makes visible the gift [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Elaine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 03:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I can say is yuk.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Satan must be laughing himself silly. I just wonder how large Hell is. It must grow by the minute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I can say is yuk.</p>
<p>Satan must be laughing himself silly. I just wonder how large Hell is. It must grow by the minute.</p>
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		<title>By: 1Indioviejo1</title>
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		<dc:creator>1Indioviejo1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 02:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because of people like the ones at NCC, leftist professors, and leftist School teachers Unions, America is worst off than we were in the 1950&#039;s.   By infiltration, they have managed to destroy and brainwash America&#039;s youth for at least three generations.   The Greatest Generation begot, the worst generation.   We baby boomers destroyed our inheritance.   As a Vietnam veteran I feel offended every time I see or hear my contemporaries still trying to justify their Marxist projections, without owning up to their responsibility in the tyrannies engendered by their stupidity/evilness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because of people like the ones at NCC, leftist professors, and leftist School teachers Unions, America is worst off than we were in the 1950&#39;s.   By infiltration, they have managed to destroy and brainwash America&#39;s youth for at least three generations.   The Greatest Generation begot, the worst generation.   We baby boomers destroyed our inheritance.   As a Vietnam veteran I feel offended every time I see or hear my contemporaries still trying to justify their Marxist projections, without owning up to their responsibility in the tyrannies engendered by their stupidity/evilness.</p>
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		<title>By: Remembering South Vietnam with an Ecumenical Christmas Card &#171; THE BLACK KETTLE</title>
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		<dc:creator>Remembering South Vietnam with an Ecumenical Christmas Card &#171; THE BLACK KETTLE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 19:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Barry Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 19:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will add, read those books, then look at one of the standard propaganda pieces, like Karnow&#039;s, or Sheehan&#039;s, and look up the name Creighton Abrams, who was Commander of U.S forces from 1968 to 1972 or so.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Why is he barely mentioned?  Simple: he did his job well, pacified the South, and made it possible for us to win, and that FACT is simply unpalatable for the adult appearing, currently washed products of the ME generation that cut it&#039;s teeth sealing horrific fates for millions.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Reality is not what you want it to be.  It is what it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will add, read those books, then look at one of the standard propaganda pieces, like Karnow&#39;s, or Sheehan&#39;s, and look up the name Creighton Abrams, who was Commander of U.S forces from 1968 to 1972 or so.  </p>
<p>Why is he barely mentioned?  Simple: he did his job well, pacified the South, and made it possible for us to win, and that FACT is simply unpalatable for the adult appearing, currently washed products of the ME generation that cut it&#39;s teeth sealing horrific fates for millions.</p>
<p>Reality is not what you want it to be.  It is what it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 19:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the seminal piece for anyone who wants to begin to grasp the extent of the horror that followed the failure WE CHOSE with respect to South Vietnam: &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://phanchautrinhdanang.com/30thang4/A%2520Lament%2520for%2520Vietnam.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://phanchautrinhdanang.com/30thang4/A%20Lam...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;To be clear, the North Vietnamese Communists did not do anything that had not been done previously when Ho Chi Minh took over the North to begin with.  There were mass executions (some 10,000 in the North, and some 65,000 in the South), mass relocations (&quot;your family may have lived here for 500 years, but you and your property belong to us now&quot;&quot;), mass torture, and horrific conditions that so dwarf the crimes of the South Vietnamese regime at its worst that only fools would attempt to compare them.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you type Vietnam massacre, or Vietnam atrocity, you get information on Lt. Calley.  Newsflash: the Communists committed 100&#039;s of My Lai&#039;s, under the direct orders of their head of state.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Giap alone was responsible for the execution through assassination of hundreds of Vietnamese nationalists in the mid-40&#039;s.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Here is the reality: when Nguyen Ai Quoc changed his name to Ho Chi Minh in the 1920&#039;s, after joining the Communist International, HE WAS A COMMUNIST.  When he spent the 30&#039;s in Soviet Russia, at the personal invitation of Joseph Stalin HE WAS A COMMUNIST.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There WERE genuine anti-colonial Vietnamese nationalists.  Ai Quoc had them KILLED.  HE was never anything but a tool of the Communist Party, dedicated to mass murder, and mass slavery.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The books to read are Michael Lind&#039;s &quot;Vietnam: the necessary War&quot;, and Lewis Sorley&#039;s &quot;A Better War&quot;.  Read Sorley&#039;s book first, and you will see that even the places where Lind tried to argue our policy of abandonment sort of made sense fall apart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the seminal piece for anyone who wants to begin to grasp the extent of the horror that followed the failure WE CHOSE with respect to South Vietnam: </p>
<p><a href="http://phanchautrinhdanang.com/30thang4/A%2520Lament%2520for%2520Vietnam.htm" rel="nofollow">http://phanchautrinhdanang.com/30thang4/A%20Lam&#8230;</a></p>
<p>To be clear, the North Vietnamese Communists did not do anything that had not been done previously when Ho Chi Minh took over the North to begin with.  There were mass executions (some 10,000 in the North, and some 65,000 in the South), mass relocations (&#8220;your family may have lived here for 500 years, but you and your property belong to us now&#8221;"), mass torture, and horrific conditions that so dwarf the crimes of the South Vietnamese regime at its worst that only fools would attempt to compare them.</p>
<p>If you type Vietnam massacre, or Vietnam atrocity, you get information on Lt. Calley.  Newsflash: the Communists committed 100&#39;s of My Lai&#39;s, under the direct orders of their head of state.</p>
<p>Giap alone was responsible for the execution through assassination of hundreds of Vietnamese nationalists in the mid-40&#39;s.</p>
<p>Here is the reality: when Nguyen Ai Quoc changed his name to Ho Chi Minh in the 1920&#39;s, after joining the Communist International, HE WAS A COMMUNIST.  When he spent the 30&#39;s in Soviet Russia, at the personal invitation of Joseph Stalin HE WAS A COMMUNIST.</p>
<p>There WERE genuine anti-colonial Vietnamese nationalists.  Ai Quoc had them KILLED.  HE was never anything but a tool of the Communist Party, dedicated to mass murder, and mass slavery.</p>
<p>The books to read are Michael Lind&#39;s &#8220;Vietnam: the necessary War&#8221;, and Lewis Sorley&#39;s &#8220;A Better War&#8221;.  Read Sorley&#39;s book first, and you will see that even the places where Lind tried to argue our policy of abandonment sort of made sense fall apart.</p>
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		<title>By: andyFree</title>
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		<dc:creator>andyFree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 19:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Vietnamese people survived an immense atrocity imposed by us - and then turned on all the people who&#039;d collaborated with us. We&#039;d do exactly the same.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In fact, some of us did exactly the same, turning on the completely innocent loyalists who&#039;d failed to join in their treason.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Everywhere the US has been since 1945 it&#039;s had this same effect, making bad situations much much worse. Often, as in Vietnam, utterly pointlessly - these were nationalists yearning for self-government. Ho Chi Minh was very pro-American and modelled his Declaration of Independence on that of the US.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Even if Ho hadn&#039;t wanted to be friendly, any &quot;Communist threat&quot; they posed would have been to China - and in fact the Chinese attacked them in 1979. This came after Vietnam had attacked and overthrown the Communist Pol Pot - so much for solidarity!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Back in 1945, these words were not spoken by the Nazis but the US &quot;... Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind ... it is essential ... that human rights should be protected by the rule of law&quot; - how about living up to what you say you believe in?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Vietnamese people survived an immense atrocity imposed by us &#8211; and then turned on all the people who&#39;d collaborated with us. We&#39;d do exactly the same.</p>
<p>In fact, some of us did exactly the same, turning on the completely innocent loyalists who&#39;d failed to join in their treason.</p>
<p>Everywhere the US has been since 1945 it&#39;s had this same effect, making bad situations much much worse. Often, as in Vietnam, utterly pointlessly &#8211; these were nationalists yearning for self-government. Ho Chi Minh was very pro-American and modelled his Declaration of Independence on that of the US.</p>
<p>Even if Ho hadn&#39;t wanted to be friendly, any &#8220;Communist threat&#8221; they posed would have been to China &#8211; and in fact the Chinese attacked them in 1979. This came after Vietnam had attacked and overthrown the Communist Pol Pot &#8211; so much for solidarity!</p>
<p>Back in 1945, these words were not spoken by the Nazis but the US &#8220;&#8230; Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind &#8230; it is essential &#8230; that human rights should be protected by the rule of law&#8221; &#8211; how about living up to what you say you believe in?</p>
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		<title>By: USMCSniper</title>
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		<dc:creator>USMCSniper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read James Webb&#039;s &quot;Sleeping with the Enemy&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/887113/posts&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/887113...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read James Webb&#39;s &#8220;Sleeping with the Enemy&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/887113/posts" rel="nofollow">http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/887113&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: The reader</title>
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		<dc:creator>The reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 15:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be nice if the author could explain why the French have returned to Indochina in 1945.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Upps.....&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Did I derail the author&#039;s concept about Vietnam&#039;s recent history?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My bad....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be nice if the author could explain why the French have returned to Indochina in 1945.</p>
<p>Upps&#8230;..</p>
<p>Did I derail the author&#39;s concept about Vietnam&#39;s recent history?</p>
<p>My bad&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Tin 04-01-2010 &#171; BA SÀM</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tin 04-01-2010 &#171; BA SÀM</dc:creator>
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