I do get your point, that we have to be careful we dont get suckered into a war that a small group starts by blowing up a mall. But my point is that we need to see some help from these middle eastern nations. They dont just get a walk, and sit on the side lines watching as their little buddys beat the crap out of us while they funnel money to them.

A few misplaced facts, half a brain and you have Bubba.

I usually quote to address different ideas individually. Just look at the care and consideration I give your thoughts and the posts of even the most kooky adolescent troll…sorry it bugs you.

While you are free to your opinions and conclusions, that's just looney. You believe it already, so now you're interpreting simple events to fit. And, if you are going to have someone controlling Obama, just go for broke and make it the Masons or aliens or something.

“You seem to think that the debate is really about whether or not individual Muslims are terrorists or not.”

And you go on to compare Muslims to Nazis because they “submit” to their religion. Germany was a country. It made a huge army and tried to take over the world by force. We knew where to bomb. Did I mention it was a country…
“Islam” means “submission to God's will” which is a theme shared by most monotheistic religions…like Christianity and the other Abrahamic religions.

“While people like you are dinkering around with reality and tweeking it to fit your world view the jihadists are not slowed down by such stuff.”

I'm “dinkering” with reality? LOL.

“They studied our fiasco in Viet Nam and know that it was the left who helped us become losers and they are depending on the same types of people to help them win this war against us.”

of course “the left”…that dependable old punching bag. We dropped almost a ton of ordinance PER PERSON onto Vietnam and killed millions of Vietnamese all to “contain” Communism. After 15 years and almost 60,000 American soldiers dead, you honestly think that anti-war protesters prevented us from “winning”? You've been reading too much FPM.

“I consider people like you to be traitors. You can argue all you want about Islam, the koran, the rightness or wrongness of any action…”

Why, because I made fun of you? Grow up. Oh no a new name “anti-bubba”. Are you a preteen? Just post under the name you usually use to troll around posting your links. No one cares.

“The big picture is that they started this 1700 years ago…..”

Riiiiight.

“Really, I would love to hear you finally say something intelligent instead of just spouting off the “party line.”"

Yeah…everyone but you is a mindless zombie under the control of one power or another. Sure, you're head is full of wild conspiracy theories…and yeah, maybe your facts are a little shaky but you clearly think for yourself. Here I am getting my daily e-mail instructions from Pelosi's office and hoping I won't run up against a real patriot who can see into the heart of things…and alas you had the courage to call me out. Pelosi has had me watching you and keeping tabs on FPM because your ideas so threaten the Global Conspiracy of Your Worst Fears…that Pelosi, Obama and Lord Xenu are deciding whether or not you are too dangerous to be left alive.

Pelosi HAS to conduct the health care debate in secret. Sure the whole country has been discussing and debating it for six months, but that is all a ruse. They fought against accusations of “Death Panels”…not because it was a ridiculous smear designed to scare old people, but because the Death Panels are just the tip of the iceberg. Obama is preparing a “Logan's Run” type Utopia where those over 50 are ritually zonked into their component molecules using special reactors they are already working on (to take care of the resistance first).

“They call limiting conservative radio “The Fairness Doctrine.” What is fair about forcing people to listen to something they don't want to hear?”

There has been no legislative call to reinstate the Fairness Doctrine or any other like rule since 2005. When it was originally abolished under Reagan, talk radio and television weren't 24/7 opinion/editorial talking heads. The rule only applied to those with licenses for public airwaves and just required :

“The Fairness Doctrine had two basic elements: It required broadcasters to devote some of their airtime to discussing controversial matters of public interest, and to air contrasting views regarding those matters. Stations were given wide latitude as to how to provide contrasting views: It could be done through news segments, public affairs shows, or editorials. The doctrine did not require equal time for opposing views but required that contrasting viewpoints be presented”

And it also said that if someone attacked you personally, then the station or channel that broadcast the attack (even just opinion) was obliged to notify you with a transcript and give you an opportunity to respond.

So even if something like this comes back into play, Rush Limbaugh doesn't have to change a thing. However, he has gotten use to attacking people so often and so wildly, he's probably just afraid of the paperwork. Same with the likes of Hannity and Beck. The other, more destructive action of the Reagan Administration was the repeal of laws regarding media ownership. It used to beillegal for a single entity to own all the media outlets (television, newspaper, radio) in a given market or own the same media over too large an area. These laws were designed to prevent corporate or otherwise narrow interests from controlling the public debate.

“Is this how you really want to live? I'm already starting to think abut what you'll say to that. Never mind. You won't listen anyway. You are such a jerk.”

You seem really frustrated and a little paranoid and you'll always be this way if you listen to what Rush and these other guys say like it's gospel. You even talk the way they argue…like a child. Those assholes are robbing you simpletons of your peace of mind.

Logic escapes you, doesnt it bubba?

You may respond to me without quoting every friggin thing I said. I know what I said. I just have to look above, unless you just like wasting the space, jeez.

Obama is very much like a Manchurian candidate. A Saudi paid for his education. Nancy Pelosi made a statement regarding Obama's promises during the campaigning something like, “Yeah, well, he said a lot of things during the campaign…” What exactly does that mean? Does it mean that Obama “misspoke?” Maybe he didn't have permission to say that? Or like some people I've encountered, their mouth gets ahead of their brain? Maybe Obama gets to live the life, but not call the shots? From what I've been seeing there is a lot telling me that Obama is more of a figurehead president and that the party elites are running him. He seems to run into trouble when he actually starts believing that he's the president. Why all the lag time between an event and Obama's “official” reaction to it. I think they are just sitting around deciding what he should say, and then it usually comes out as political doublespeak which says and means nothing.

Bubba, you are the biggest fool on this web site, by far. You seem to think that the debate is really about whether or not individual Muslims are terrorists or not. And what if we kill some that are not. Well, I guess we need even “smarter” bombs that would know that. The problem is Islam. That some misinterpret the Koran and as a result are moderates is great but it only says that they don't read Arabic, or maybe their parents were “secular Muslims. It's a little bit like a German who didn't read “Mein Kampf” saying that Hitler didn't really want to do what he is accused of doing. It doesn't matter that most German's were not Nazi's. The German's that didn't agree and who were vocal about it didn't last long. The Nazis took them out right away. BUT, most Germans just went along with it because Hitler was elevated to the “Head of their Nazi Religion.” People looked up to him almost like a god. He was going to lead them into their glorious future. They were forced to put their reservations out of their conscious mind much the same way Muslims re forced to put their common sense aside for the sake of “Submission.”

While people like you are dinkering around with reality and tweeking it to fit your world view the jihadists are not slowed down by such stuff. They know they are at war and they love people like you and they are laughing their heads off. They studied our fiasco in Viet Nam and know that it was the left who helped us become losers and they are depending on the same types of people to help them win this war against us. I know this for a fact. I can't figure out how the lefties can run around with a big smile on their lips and a big “L” on their foreheads. But, nonetheless, they do.

I consider people like you to be traitors. You can argue all you want about Islam, the koran, the rightness or wrongness of any action we take but you have to pull your head out of your butt occasionally and look around at the big picture. The big picture is that they started this 1700 years ago. No one alive today is “at fault” for what they are doing probably not even themselves. I think we can blame Muhammed for all of this. They are brainwashed into thinking that they are not allowed to think. Only RELIGIOUS “experts” can tell them what to do. They don't even consider themselves as individuals. They see themselves as just a cog in the big Islamic machine. We did not do this to them. We did not brainwash them.

If you really think about it. The entire problem in the middle east is Islam. Maybe we should demand that they let other religions compete for adherents. At least they would have to think about the differences between the philosophy of death, hate and sex and the philosophy of love, life and forgiveness. Those concepts are not even available to them.

Really, I would love to hear you finally say something intelligent instead of just spouting off the “party line.” You're like a robot who can repeat everything you hear but there is no brain in there sorting out all that information.

One thing you are good for; you make it so clear what thinking intelligent people are fighting against. You are like the Muslims in a lot of ways. They don't think because they are only following orders from above and you don't think because you are only following orders from above.

AND BTW: When Pelosi says she wants all this “debate” about health care behind closed doors what she really means is that she wants to plot behind closed doors. Healthy debate happens out in the open. Plots take place “behind closed doors.” The entire democratic party is the party of doublespeak, period. They call limiting conservative radio “The Fairness Doctrine.” What is fair about forcing people to listen to something they don't want to hear? What's fair about forcing business owners to comply with this government edict? What they think is that they can remake America if only they can control what we hear they will control what we think. Is this how you really want to live? I'm already starting to think abut what you'll say to that.

Never mind. You won't listen anyway. You are such a jerk.

Again, those educated beyond their intelligence cannot comprehend/accept it.

YES, HE SAID SO. IF YOU CAN'T ACCEPT the TRUTH,
GET BACK TO YOUR “BATING MASTER”.

“Hillary Clinton was initially pleased when her New Hampshire campaign chairman, Billy Shaheen, mentioned Obama's previous use of drugs (page 161):

“Hillary's reaction to Shaheen's remarks was, 'Good for him!' Followed by 'Let's push it out.' Her aides violently disagreed, seeing what Shaheen had said as a PR disaster. Grudgingly, Clinton acquiesced to disowning Shaheen's comments. But she wasn't going to cut him loose. Why should Billy have to fall on his sword for invoking something that had been fair game in every recent election?”

Who's “they”? The terrorists or Muslims in general? Obviously, a terrorist without direct state connections or known origin detonating an atomic weapon (dirty bomb or otherwise) is the worst possible thing that could happen. We would not know who to retaliate against or even what really happened. If we have to declare war on Iran because of their nuclear programs and bomb (conventionally) that country…that's one thing, but just attacking a “Muslim” city because we fear that some Muslim will attack us with an atomic weapon, I don't see how that is justified. It's unfortunate, but after Bush and the WMD, we look like morons who haven't the first clue who has what…or worse, we look like a people willing to say/do anything to wage war. We start looking like the caricatures the radical Muslims say we are.

BTW…if you fear Muslims getting a bomb, aren't you losing sleep over North Korea? Shouldn't we be nuking North Korea right about now?

“I see your point Bubba, but I am not so sure the majority of muslims are not in support of what the terrorists are doing.”

That's fair enough. I didn't say all the Muslims were peace-loving, reasonable people and there isn't an element of cancerous, cultic nuttiness in the Middle East. I don't know if a majority supports terrorism though (maybe in some select countries)…but I am certainly not saying that it isn't supported at all….it is.

A large chunk of the Muslim world is ignorant and uneducated. They live in the desert and they aren't allowed to masterbate…that would piss anyone off. They are taught from birth that America is the great satan. When they actually encounter America (in whatever form) let's try not to be completely amoral and evil, watching reality television while our government nukes innocent people to “protect” us from our fears.

I see your point Bubba, but I am not so sure the majority of muslims are not in support of what the terrorists are doing. I see them as passive/monetary supporters. I see them marching in the streets and threatening jihad on the world for a silly cartoon, but there is hardly a peep when a terrorist kills inocent people by the hundreds.

You think Obama is a manchurian candidate and you like to make fun of his ears.
This site is already full up on crazy and doesn't need more morons trying to improve traffic to their own bizarro world websites.

The video of Obama misspeaking during an interview (when he is trying to say McCain has not called him a Muslim) will not be taken down because it isn't some incredible secret revelation. Good luck wasting your time with hate and fear and conspiracy theories. If you want I can put a link to your site on bat-shit-crazy.org.

I doubt you travel (digitally or otherwise) in circles where you would hear “peaceful muslims” or muslim organizations decrying terrorism or registering their “outrage”. Why don't you do a Google search for yourself instead of asking me like it never happens.

“We already nuked a city, and it was the only alternative to continued loss of life, which by the way scared the shit out of them and made them surrender.”

Yes, during WWII. We were at war with Japan…a country and after the horrific battles trying to take small islands, it was becoming obvious that an invasion of the Japanese mainland would cost us an unacceptable amount of America life. The Japanese were wrapped up in Emperor worship and even after the bombings of two cities, some of the generals wanted to keep fighting anyway.

“Today they are our allies, because they realized their leader was not God and they were being sacrificed for someone else's agenda. Errily similar to todays situation.”

I don't see the parallels you do. Japan still had leadership that could surrender….and they had an army, navy and airforce that was fighting us. We were at war with them. The terrorists aren't that numerous. If you want to increase their ranks by 1000 fold then nuke a “Muslim” city because a terrorist there killed an American hostage. The terrorists are trying to get the whole of the Muslim world to go to war with the West (and the US imparticular) and your attitudes would only help them achieve their goals.

Which city would you have nuked if the Christmas underwear bomber had succeeded?