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	<title>Comments on: The Religious Left&#8217;s Prophecies of Doom &#8211; by Mark D. Tooley</title>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My primary issue was how the Bishops should be embarrassed for using Jeremiah 29:11 out of context:____&quot;First, let us orient our lives toward God&#8217;s holy vision. This vision of the future calls us to hope and to action. &#8220;For surely I know the plans I have for you, says the LORD, plans for your welfare and not for harm, to give you a future with hope&#8221; (Jeremiah 29:11). Christ&#8217;s resurrection assures us that this vision is indeed a promise of renewal and reconciliation . . .&quot;____Go read Jeremiah 29:11 in context, or even just verse 4 of that chapter.  It has nothing to do with some generic promise to all people or even Christians.  It is a specific promise for a specific group (the Israelites taken into captivity by the Babylonians) at a specific time.   God&#8217;s plans for those who die without trusting in Jesus do not involve increasing their welfare or giving them a future with hope.  It will be an eternity in Hell.  Under no circumstances is this some kind of catch-all verse to share with people.____Did none of the Bishops realize how this verse was taken wildly out of context (bad),  did they not care (bad) or both (really bad)?____More here -- &lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/yjghkto&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://tinyurl.com/yjghkto&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My primary issue was how the Bishops should be embarrassed for using Jeremiah 29:11 out of context:____&quot;First, let us orient our lives toward God&rsquo;s holy vision. This vision of the future calls us to hope and to action. &ldquo;For surely I know the plans I have for you, says the LORD, plans for your welfare and not for harm, to give you a future with hope&rdquo; (Jeremiah 29:11). Christ&rsquo;s resurrection assures us that this vision is indeed a promise of renewal and reconciliation . . .&quot;____Go read Jeremiah 29:11 in context, or even just verse 4 of that chapter.  It has nothing to do with some generic promise to all people or even Christians.  It is a specific promise for a specific group (the Israelites taken into captivity by the Babylonians) at a specific time.   God&rsquo;s plans for those who die without trusting in Jesus do not involve increasing their welfare or giving them a future with hope.  It will be an eternity in Hell.  Under no circumstances is this some kind of catch-all verse to share with people.____Did none of the Bishops realize how this verse was taken wildly out of context (bad),  did they not care (bad) or both (really bad)?____More here &#8212; <a href="http://tinyurl.com/yjghkto" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/yjghkto</a></p>
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		<title>By: Drumbeat: January 8, 2010 &#124; Bear Market Investments</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drumbeat: January 8, 2010 &#124; Bear Market Investments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Religious Left’s Prophecies of Doom – by Mark D. Tooley In their accompanying “foundation document,” the bishops warn that the “earth is heating up at an accelerating rate” after “several thousand years of a stable climate.” Ostensibly reassuringly, “Learned scientists and experts monitor the changes that impact our very survival” and “are clarifying the measures we must take immediately to save our forests, oceans, air, human and animal ecosystems.” [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Religious Left’s Prophecies of Doom – by Mark D. Tooley In their accompanying “foundation document,” the bishops warn that the “earth is heating up at an accelerating rate” after “several thousand years of a stable climate.” Ostensibly reassuringly, “Learned scientists and experts monitor the changes that impact our very survival” and “are clarifying the measures we must take immediately to save our forests, oceans, air, human and animal ecosystems.” [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Tooley reminds me why I am happy that I am no longer a Protestant. &#171; Sleepy Old Bear Diaries</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Tooley reminds me why I am happy that I am no longer a Protestant. &#171; Sleepy Old Bear Diaries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 02:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Here. But of course, Mr Tooley himself reminds one that there amongst Protestants those who have not bowed their knee to Ba&#8217;al. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: A reader</title>
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		<dc:creator>A reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 20:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having read the Catholic Bishops 1983 Pastoral Letter, I have to say I was struck by how reasonable it was. It dealt with an important subject in an orderly way. It condemned targeting of civilians with nuclear weapons, but then went on to say that deterrence may be necessary in some instances. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It went onto say that leaders should figure out ways to get beyond deterrence.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Reasonable stuff. They dealt with an issue in a prudent manner. Sounds like the Methodists are trying to use fear to draw attention to their church. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Liturgy and evangelization transform the world. But these folks really can&#039;t be bothered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having read the Catholic Bishops 1983 Pastoral Letter, I have to say I was struck by how reasonable it was. It dealt with an important subject in an orderly way. It condemned targeting of civilians with nuclear weapons, but then went on to say that deterrence may be necessary in some instances. </p>
<p>It went onto say that leaders should figure out ways to get beyond deterrence.</p>
<p>Reasonable stuff. They dealt with an issue in a prudent manner. Sounds like the Methodists are trying to use fear to draw attention to their church. </p>
<p>Liturgy and evangelization transform the world. But these folks really can&#39;t be bothered.</p>
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		<title>By: Commodities Broker &#124; Drumbeat: January 8, 2010 &#124; Commodities Options &#124; Commodities Futures &#124; Commodities Prices</title>
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		<dc:creator>Commodities Broker &#124; Drumbeat: January 8, 2010 &#124; Commodities Options &#124; Commodities Futures &#124; Commodities Prices</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 07:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Religious Left’s Prophecies of Doom – by Mark D. Tooley In their accompanying “foundation document,” the bishops warn that the “earth is heating up at an accelerating rate” after “several thousand years of a stable climate.” Ostensibly reassuringly, “Learned scientists and experts monitor the changes that impact our very survival” and “are clarifying the measures we must take immediately to save our forests, oceans, air, human and animal ecosystems.”  &#8230;There is also “the energy crisis as oil reserves run out within two or three decades; the climate crisis as increasing greenhouse gases threaten to scorch the earth and desertification erodes productive land, polar ice melts, fire seasons lengthen, and coastal floods and severe storms increase in number; the bio-diversity crisis as at least one-fifth of all plant and animal species face extinction by 2050.”  Christian prelates more attuned to reality, and more prone to thanksgiving, might note that recent decades have in fact rescued hundreds of millions from millennia of poverty in China, India and elsewhere, that average lifespans are increasing almost everywhere, and that world food production is at record highs. Oil reserves have been perpetually and inaccurately forecast for depletion for the last century, until new discoveries always overthrow this expectation. And neither climate change, nor species extinction, are modern phenomenons. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Religious Left’s Prophecies of Doom – by Mark D. Tooley In their accompanying “foundation document,” the bishops warn that the “earth is heating up at an accelerating rate” after “several thousand years of a stable climate.” Ostensibly reassuringly, “Learned scientists and experts monitor the changes that impact our very survival” and “are clarifying the measures we must take immediately to save our forests, oceans, air, human and animal ecosystems.”  &#8230;There is also “the energy crisis as oil reserves run out within two or three decades; the climate crisis as increasing greenhouse gases threaten to scorch the earth and desertification erodes productive land, polar ice melts, fire seasons lengthen, and coastal floods and severe storms increase in number; the bio-diversity crisis as at least one-fifth of all plant and animal species face extinction by 2050.”  Christian prelates more attuned to reality, and more prone to thanksgiving, might note that recent decades have in fact rescued hundreds of millions from millennia of poverty in China, India and elsewhere, that average lifespans are increasing almost everywhere, and that world food production is at record highs. Oil reserves have been perpetually and inaccurately forecast for depletion for the last century, until new discoveries always overthrow this expectation. And neither climate change, nor species extinction, are modern phenomenons. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: newbird</title>
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		<dc:creator>newbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 05:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prophesy being fulfilled:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Romans 1: 19-25      For what can be known about God is evident to them, because God made it evident to them.&lt;br&gt;20&lt;br&gt;    Ever since the creation of the world, his invisible attributes of eternal power and divinity have been able to be understood and perceived in what he has made. As a result, they have no excuse;&lt;br&gt;21&lt;br&gt;    for although they knew God they did not accord him glory as God or give him thanks. Instead, they became vain in their reasoning, and their senseless minds were darkened.&lt;br&gt;22&lt;br&gt;    While claiming to be wise, they became fools&lt;br&gt;23&lt;br&gt;    and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for the likeness of an image of mortal man or of birds or of four-legged animals or of snakes.&lt;br&gt;24&lt;br&gt;    Therefore, God handed them over to impurity through the lusts of their hearts 15 for the mutual degradation of their bodies.&lt;br&gt;25&lt;br&gt;    They exchanged the truth of God for a lie and revered and worshiped the creature rather than the creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prophesy being fulfilled:</p>
<p>Romans 1: 19-25      For what can be known about God is evident to them, because God made it evident to them.<br />20<br />    Ever since the creation of the world, his invisible attributes of eternal power and divinity have been able to be understood and perceived in what he has made. As a result, they have no excuse;<br />21<br />    for although they knew God they did not accord him glory as God or give him thanks. Instead, they became vain in their reasoning, and their senseless minds were darkened.<br />22<br />    While claiming to be wise, they became fools<br />23<br />    and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for the likeness of an image of mortal man or of birds or of four-legged animals or of snakes.<br />24<br />    Therefore, God handed them over to impurity through the lusts of their hearts 15 for the mutual degradation of their bodies.<br />25<br />    They exchanged the truth of God for a lie and revered and worshiped the creature rather than the creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.</p>
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		<title>By: KevinStowell</title>
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		<dc:creator>KevinStowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 22:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So much for the church being the rock I guess.  Morality never changes--just the way it is (mis) portrayed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So much for the church being the rock I guess.  Morality never changes&#8211;just the way it is (mis) portrayed.</p>
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		<title>By: The Religious Left’s Prophecies of Doom &#171; THE BLACK KETTLE</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Religious Left’s Prophecies of Doom &#171; THE BLACK KETTLE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 19:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: thomassino</title>
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		<dc:creator>thomassino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 18:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow - that&#039;s an impressive, scientific response. I think Mr. Tooley&#039;s purpose is to simply demonstrate the ineptitude of fake religion. The Methodists, generally speaking, abandoned God&#039;s truth decades ago and now they can&#039;t recognize scientific truth, either. Makes perfect sense to me!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I take from the context of your post that you are a science-type. That&#039;s cool - there&#039;s a place for that. However, one thing you climate change, snail-darter, save the owls types miss - GOD IS SOVEREIGN and CONTROLS HIS CREATION. That includes the weather. That includes the extinction of species which has been occurring since the beginning of time. GOD IS IN CONTROL. Whether you believe that or not does not change it&#039;s reality. Anything that happens on the face of this Earth happens because He allows it. Do you think it&#039;s a coiincidence that our President returns from Copenagen - trying to convince people that the world is warming - to a 2 ft. blizzard in Washington? Or that Great Britain is freezing? God laughs at this foolishness!!! Can you not see God Almighty mocking the &quot;wisdom&quot; of this world that dares to challenge His Sovereignty?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You can either convince yourself we&#039;re in control, or you can humble yourself and admit Somebody much smarter than us is running this process. The arrogance of human nature is astounding.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Humble yourself and consider your Maker, otherwise - a day is coming when you will look much more silly than what you preceive Mr. Tooley to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow &#8211; that&#39;s an impressive, scientific response. I think Mr. Tooley&#39;s purpose is to simply demonstrate the ineptitude of fake religion. The Methodists, generally speaking, abandoned God&#39;s truth decades ago and now they can&#39;t recognize scientific truth, either. Makes perfect sense to me!</p>
<p>I take from the context of your post that you are a science-type. That&#39;s cool &#8211; there&#39;s a place for that. However, one thing you climate change, snail-darter, save the owls types miss &#8211; GOD IS SOVEREIGN and CONTROLS HIS CREATION. That includes the weather. That includes the extinction of species which has been occurring since the beginning of time. GOD IS IN CONTROL. Whether you believe that or not does not change it&#39;s reality. Anything that happens on the face of this Earth happens because He allows it. Do you think it&#39;s a coiincidence that our President returns from Copenagen &#8211; trying to convince people that the world is warming &#8211; to a 2 ft. blizzard in Washington? Or that Great Britain is freezing? God laughs at this foolishness!!! Can you not see God Almighty mocking the &#8220;wisdom&#8221; of this world that dares to challenge His Sovereignty?</p>
<p>You can either convince yourself we&#39;re in control, or you can humble yourself and admit Somebody much smarter than us is running this process. The arrogance of human nature is astounding.</p>
<p>Humble yourself and consider your Maker, otherwise &#8211; a day is coming when you will look much more silly than what you preceive Mr. Tooley to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Drumbeat: January 8, 2010 : Hawaii Clean Power</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drumbeat: January 8, 2010 : Hawaii Clean Power</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 18:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Religious Left’s Prophecies of Doom – by Mark D. Tooley In their accompanying “foundation document,” the bishops warn that the “earth is heating up at an accelerating rate” after “several thousand years of a stable climate.” Ostensibly reassuringly, “Learned scientists and experts monitor the changes that impact our very survival” and “are clarifying the measures we must take immediately to save our forests, oceans, air, human and animal ecosystems.”  &#8230;There is also “the energy crisis as oil reserves run out within two or three decades; the climate crisis as increasing greenhouse gases threaten to scorch the earth and desertification erodes productive land, polar ice melts, fire seasons lengthen, and coastal floods and severe storms increase in number; the bio-diversity crisis as at least one-fifth of all plant and animal species face extinction by 2050.”  Christian prelates more attuned to reality, and more prone to thanksgiving, might note that recent decades have in fact rescued hundreds of millions from millennia of poverty in China, India and elsewhere, that average lifespans are increasing almost everywhere, and that world food production is at record highs. Oil reserves have been perpetually and inaccurately forecast for depletion for the last century, until new discoveries always overthrow this expectation. And neither climate change, nor species extinction, are modern phenomenons. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Religious Left’s Prophecies of Doom – by Mark D. Tooley In their accompanying “foundation document,” the bishops warn that the “earth is heating up at an accelerating rate” after “several thousand years of a stable climate.” Ostensibly reassuringly, “Learned scientists and experts monitor the changes that impact our very survival” and “are clarifying the measures we must take immediately to save our forests, oceans, air, human and animal ecosystems.”  &#8230;There is also “the energy crisis as oil reserves run out within two or three decades; the climate crisis as increasing greenhouse gases threaten to scorch the earth and desertification erodes productive land, polar ice melts, fire seasons lengthen, and coastal floods and severe storms increase in number; the bio-diversity crisis as at least one-fifth of all plant and animal species face extinction by 2050.”  Christian prelates more attuned to reality, and more prone to thanksgiving, might note that recent decades have in fact rescued hundreds of millions from millennia of poverty in China, India and elsewhere, that average lifespans are increasing almost everywhere, and that world food production is at record highs. Oil reserves have been perpetually and inaccurately forecast for depletion for the last century, until new discoveries always overthrow this expectation. And neither climate change, nor species extinction, are modern phenomenons. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Drumbeat: January 8, 2010 &#124; Climate Vine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drumbeat: January 8, 2010 &#124; Climate Vine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Religious Left’s Prophecies of Doom – by Mark D. Tooley In their accompanying “foundation document,” the bishops warn that the “earth is heating up at an accelerating rate” after “several thousand years of a stable climate.” Ostensibly reassuringly, “Learned scientists and experts monitor the changes that impact our very survival” and “are clarifying the measures we must take immediately to save our forests, oceans, air, human and animal ecosystems.”  &#8230;There is also “the energy crisis as oil reserves run out within two or three decades; the climate crisis as increasing greenhouse gases threaten to scorch the earth and desertification erodes productive land, polar ice melts, fire seasons lengthen, and coastal floods and severe storms increase in number; the bio-diversity crisis as at least one-fifth of all plant and animal species face extinction by 2050.”  Christian prelates more attuned to reality, and more prone to thanksgiving, might note that recent decades have in fact rescued hundreds of millions from millennia of poverty in China, India and elsewhere, that average lifespans are increasing almost everywhere, and that world food production is at record highs. Oil reserves have been perpetually and inaccurately forecast for depletion for the last century, until new discoveries always overthrow this expectation. And neither climate change, nor species extinction, are modern phenomenons. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Religious Left’s Prophecies of Doom – by Mark D. Tooley In their accompanying “foundation document,” the bishops warn that the “earth is heating up at an accelerating rate” after “several thousand years of a stable climate.” Ostensibly reassuringly, “Learned scientists and experts monitor the changes that impact our very survival” and “are clarifying the measures we must take immediately to save our forests, oceans, air, human and animal ecosystems.”  &#8230;There is also “the energy crisis as oil reserves run out within two or three decades; the climate crisis as increasing greenhouse gases threaten to scorch the earth and desertification erodes productive land, polar ice melts, fire seasons lengthen, and coastal floods and severe storms increase in number; the bio-diversity crisis as at least one-fifth of all plant and animal species face extinction by 2050.”  Christian prelates more attuned to reality, and more prone to thanksgiving, might note that recent decades have in fact rescued hundreds of millions from millennia of poverty in China, India and elsewhere, that average lifespans are increasing almost everywhere, and that world food production is at record highs. Oil reserves have been perpetually and inaccurately forecast for depletion for the last century, until new discoveries always overthrow this expectation. And neither climate change, nor species extinction, are modern phenomenons. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: patrickfish</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 16:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of points: It wasn&#039;t Carl Sagan&#039;s nuclear-winter theory. He was part of TTAPS and was also the most valuable communicator of the science behind the theory.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Next, the theory wasn&#039;t spurious. As science is supposed to work, the numbers were later adjusted to give a more accurate estimate of the megatonnage-exchange needed to start nuclear winter. Adjusting a theory doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s discredited, it just mean it has been improved to more accurately fit the realities of physical law.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It is almost religious dogma among the old right, to want to believe that nuclear winter cannot happen.  This view is driven by an ideological need to believe,not by science. We have the basic precedents in science already: Evidence is strong that an asteroid-cause global &quot;winter&quot; contributed to the death of dinosaurs.  We know that volcano eruptions can cool the earth. So even without a science degree, a reasonable person can see why a large nuclear exchange could scatter enough debris to block the photosynthetic processes that are the basis for the food web on Earth.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My suggestion is to stick to religion and rhetoric. But if you do stray into science, be sure to cite definitive sources. Otherwise you look silly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of points: It wasn&#39;t Carl Sagan&#39;s nuclear-winter theory. He was part of TTAPS and was also the most valuable communicator of the science behind the theory.</p>
<p>Next, the theory wasn&#39;t spurious. As science is supposed to work, the numbers were later adjusted to give a more accurate estimate of the megatonnage-exchange needed to start nuclear winter. Adjusting a theory doesn&#39;t mean it&#39;s discredited, it just mean it has been improved to more accurately fit the realities of physical law.</p>
<p>It is almost religious dogma among the old right, to want to believe that nuclear winter cannot happen.  This view is driven by an ideological need to believe,not by science. We have the basic precedents in science already: Evidence is strong that an asteroid-cause global &#8220;winter&#8221; contributed to the death of dinosaurs.  We know that volcano eruptions can cool the earth. So even without a science degree, a reasonable person can see why a large nuclear exchange could scatter enough debris to block the photosynthetic processes that are the basis for the food web on Earth.</p>
<p>My suggestion is to stick to religion and rhetoric. But if you do stray into science, be sure to cite definitive sources. Otherwise you look silly.</p>
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		<title>By: Adheeb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adheeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 15:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The United Methodist Church sold the farm years ago when it gave up on the Bible as its rule for faith &amp; practice.  When the Scriptures teach that women cannot serve as pastors but the Methodists ordain them ..... you know they don&#039;t believe the Bible.  When the Scriptures condemn homosexuality as sin but the Methodists support them, you know they don&#039;t believe the Bible.  If you reject the Bible as your authority regarding faith &amp; practice .... what do you use as your authority?  Well, I guess Carl Sagan will do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The United Methodist Church sold the farm years ago when it gave up on the Bible as its rule for faith &#038; practice.  When the Scriptures teach that women cannot serve as pastors but the Methodists ordain them &#8230;.. you know they don&#39;t believe the Bible.  When the Scriptures condemn homosexuality as sin but the Methodists support them, you know they don&#39;t believe the Bible.  If you reject the Bible as your authority regarding faith &#038; practice &#8230;. what do you use as your authority?  Well, I guess Carl Sagan will do.</p>
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		<title>By: bubba4</title>
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		<dc:creator>bubba4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 11:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow...ok....that was some good Tooley.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;spurious “nuclear winter” theory&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I know...right? Can you imagine more bunk science about how a full nuclear stockpile commitment by the major powers would kill most of the earth? Where do the leftists get these crazy ideas?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Arms control agreements with the Soviet Union were secured by following completely opposite advice:  deploying additional U.S. missiles in Europe and refusing to abandon missile defense.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;At the time there was no missile defense. It was however the time of Reagan&#039;s famous &quot;Star Wars&quot; project because that is what you would need to shoot down a Russian ICBM. We never actually launched anything because it makes about as much since now as it did then...which is none. Tooley writes FPM approved mythology in short hand, since you are already suppose to know that Reagan single handedly defeated Russia by projecting strength and calling them evil.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Christian prelates more attuned to reality, and more prone to thanksgiving, might note that recent decades have in fact rescued hundreds of millions from millennia of poverty in China, India and elsewhere,&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is another FPM favorite. Why is (insert enemy here) &quot;remaining silent&quot; or &quot;ignoring&quot; this other thing that is not the subject of the writings that FPM is criticizing. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;that average lifespans are increasing almost everywhere, and that world food production is at record highs.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It better be...so is population.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Oil reserves have been perpetually and inaccurately forecast for depletion for the last century, until new discoveries always overthrow this expectation.  And neither climate change, nor species extinction, are modern phenomenons.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yeah but Tooley, we will run out of it at some point. It&#039;s a fossil fuel...remember...it wasn&#039;t carefully deposited around the earth like God&#039;s little Easter eggs. And I&#039;m sure the last few years worth of barrels aren&#039;t going to go cheap. Species are going extinct every other day. Tooley is unconcerned because it&#039;s not a modern phenomenon? Yeah, you&#039;re a real child of God there Tooley. You aren&#039;t a dishonest cultic schmuck who&#039;s lost touch with his humanity...not at all....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230;ok&#8230;.that was some good Tooley.</p>
<p>&#8220;spurious “nuclear winter” theory&#8221;</p>
<p>I know&#8230;right? Can you imagine more bunk science about how a full nuclear stockpile commitment by the major powers would kill most of the earth? Where do the leftists get these crazy ideas?</p>
<p>&#8220;Arms control agreements with the Soviet Union were secured by following completely opposite advice:  deploying additional U.S. missiles in Europe and refusing to abandon missile defense.&#8221;</p>
<p>At the time there was no missile defense. It was however the time of Reagan&#39;s famous &#8220;Star Wars&#8221; project because that is what you would need to shoot down a Russian ICBM. We never actually launched anything because it makes about as much since now as it did then&#8230;which is none. Tooley writes FPM approved mythology in short hand, since you are already suppose to know that Reagan single handedly defeated Russia by projecting strength and calling them evil.</p>
<p>&#8220;Christian prelates more attuned to reality, and more prone to thanksgiving, might note that recent decades have in fact rescued hundreds of millions from millennia of poverty in China, India and elsewhere,&#8221;</p>
<p>This is another FPM favorite. Why is (insert enemy here) &#8220;remaining silent&#8221; or &#8220;ignoring&#8221; this other thing that is not the subject of the writings that FPM is criticizing. </p>
<p>&#8220;that average lifespans are increasing almost everywhere, and that world food production is at record highs.&#8221;</p>
<p>It better be&#8230;so is population.</p>
<p>&#8220;Oil reserves have been perpetually and inaccurately forecast for depletion for the last century, until new discoveries always overthrow this expectation.  And neither climate change, nor species extinction, are modern phenomenons.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah but Tooley, we will run out of it at some point. It&#39;s a fossil fuel&#8230;remember&#8230;it wasn&#39;t carefully deposited around the earth like God&#39;s little Easter eggs. And I&#39;m sure the last few years worth of barrels aren&#39;t going to go cheap. Species are going extinct every other day. Tooley is unconcerned because it&#39;s not a modern phenomenon? Yeah, you&#39;re a real child of God there Tooley. You aren&#39;t a dishonest cultic schmuck who&#39;s lost touch with his humanity&#8230;not at all&#8230;.</p>
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