It seems almost unthinkable, but Islamist groups are, as we speak, hard at work creating Muslim states-within-states in the U.S. Indeed, this process has been unfolding for a long time across the Western world, through the creation of isolated Muslim enclaves in both rural and urban areas, as well as through the designation of “no-go zones” where governments admit to having little authority over Muslims living there, essentially leaving them to function as autonomous regions.
Daniel Pipes has tracked numerous examples since 2004 of Muslim groups working to create communities based solely on Islam and run by Sharia law. As discussed by David Kennedy Houck in 2006, “Although such concepts are antithetical to a free society, U.S. democracy allows the internal enclave to function beyond the established boundaries of our constitutional framework.”
For example, one such community, Gwynn Oak, has been created in Baltimore, Maryland, consisting of Muslim immigrants and African-American converts. The project is led by John Yahya Cason, director of the Islamic Education and Community Development Initiative. Cason explained that the neighborhood is a response to the problem that “Muslim communities are ruled by Western societal tenets, many of which clash with Islamic norms.” In his opinion, there is a need for communities with “the totality of the essential components of Muslim social, economic, and political structure.” As such, the Gwynn Oak enclave follows specific moral rules based on Islam and people there speak Arabic. On September 13, 2009, the construction of its three-story mosque began. Approximately 400 Muslims now live in the vicinity.
Another example involves the Islamic Center for Human Excellence, which receives funding from the United Arab Emirates. In August 2004, it was granted permission to build a Muslim neighborhood in Little Rock, Arkansas, complete with a mosque, school, and 22 homes; it would not allow the presence of alcohol. The goal was for Muslims to find an area to escape the alleged crime and depravity of American life, although the imam behind the effort said that non-Muslims are welcome to join.
Far more radical groups than these are now taking the lead in promoting and creating Islamic enclaves on U.S. soil.
One such organization is As-Sabiqun, headed by Imam Abdul Alim Musa, who is very honest about his disturbing objectives. The group’s website calls for installing Islamic law worldwide, fighting for “oppressed” Muslims, and “build[ing] model communities where Islam is lived.” The website contains a point-by-point plan to assemble mini-states in America, beginning with the construction of a mosque and finishing with “establishing geographical integrity by encouraging Muslims of the community to live in close proximity to the masjid [mosque]” and “establishing social welfare institutions.”
The ideology espoused by Musa and As-Sabiqun is undeniably radical. The website boasts about Musa’s early endorsement of Ayatollah Khomeini and the 1979 Islamic revolution in Iran. It also is unafraid to say that As-Sabiqun members follow people like Hasan al-Banna, the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood; Maulana Mawdudi, who called on Muslims to wage jihad until Sharia law is in place over the globe; and Sayyid Qutb, the Muslim Brotherhood member whose preaching inspired Osama bin Laden. Musa himself has argued that the CIA and Israel were behind the 9/11 attacks. He has admitted that he “like[s]” bin Laden, calls Hezbollah “a great organization,” and says Hamas members are “very nice people.”
Muslims of the Americas, led by Sheikh Mubarak Ali Gilani in Pakistan, is a very similar group with very similar aims, though its focus is more rural than urban. It admits to owning at least 22 “villages” around the country that are dozens of acres large and operate under names like “Islamberg,” “Holy Islamville,” and “Aliville.” These Muslim-only lands are open to outsiders solely during planned outreach events and sometimes to journalists.
This group has received considerable media attention due to allegations that its isolated compounds are used for paramilitary training, an accusation bolstered by a videotape released by the Christian Action Network. On that tape, a speaker is seen declaring the U.S. a Muslim country and pledging that Muslims of the Americas will defend American Muslims from foreign and domestic enemies.
The ideology of Muslims of the Americas is comparable to that of As-Sabiqun, although it is more centered on following Gilani as a representative of God who is capable of creating miracles. Gilani is very anti-Semitic, describing Jews as “an example of human Satans”; like Musa, he insists that a Jewish-Zionist conspiracy is behind the attacks of September 11, 2001, and other schemes to harm Muslims. He calls bin Laden a “Saudi activist,” while claiming to meet with Jesus and personally to have introduced the Mahdi to a select few.
We must re-assert in most strong terms that our country is a Judeo-Christian – and only Judeo-Christian – nation, as it had been 50 years ago. Not everything in the world belongs here. If there were only one thing that absolutely does not belong to America, it is Islam.
Sorry, no. It is not, and never has been a Judeo-Christian nation. Especially not a Judeo-Christian ONLY nation. That goes as much against our Constitution as what you are arguing against. A maojority of the population MAY be Judeo-Christian, but that is all. You are flat out, factually wrong.
What a waste of time to argue about that, versus looking at the historical record as to how and where Western norms of liberty came about (Christianity plays a crucial if not leading role, by the way). Alas, liberalism also being one of the fruits of Western ideas, we have a hard time saying No to those whose work and goals are to undermine Western Civilization. Only a reacquaintance with the roots of Western/American order and a willingness to be, at times, illiberal in process of guarding them, will save us.
It plays a crucial role, only in that the Enlightenment was a reaction against it and the Enlightenment inspired the FFs.
The Founding Fathers were all 18th century Englishmen. When they referred to "God" or "Creator" they were referring to the God of the Bible. I'm sorry if you find this offensive…but it is what it is.
SimonJester argues as though :
"The US never has been a Judeo-Christian nation. Especially not a Judeo-Christian ONLY nation."
Not only the US, but all the Western nations had been in fact Christian only nation without any significant influx of immigrants at all. Indeed, all the Founding Fathers assumed and the followers assumed that America was Judeo-Christian ONLY nation.
"That goes as much against our Constitution as what you are arguing against." True, the Constitution did not explicitly declare that America is Judeo-Christian ONLY nation. (It did not declare also that you must walk on your two, not on your four). See items 3, 4 in
http://www.resonoelusono.com/Platform.htm
A false idea of "Separation of Church and state" originates in Lenin's program. Progressives erode the language and meaning of the basic concepts in the Constitution. In fact, it must be that "No law must contradict the spirit of Christianity" in US, as in Islamic countries it does not contradict their Koran.
You are misled or fabricating the Constitution and the founders' ideals. Jefferson defined the 1st Amendment quite clearly:
-"the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State." It surely did not come from Lenin. Madison, the Father of the Constitution went further: "
-"The legitimate powers of government," he wrote, "extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."
Jefferson con't
-"I am for freedom of religion and against all maneuvers to bring about a legal ascendancy of one sect over another."
-"I will never, by any word or act, bow to the shrine of intolerance, or admit a right of inquiry into the religious opinions of others."
-"Certainly, no power to prescribe any religious exercise, or to assume authority in religious discipline, has been delegated to the General Government."
-"In every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own."
-"I am really mortified to be told that, in the United States of America, a fact like this can become a subject to inquiry, and of criminal inquiry, too, as an offence against religion; that a question about the sale of a book can be carried before the civil magistrate. Is this then our freedom of religion?"
-On the book of Revalations: "merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy, nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams."
Then there's the father of our country, George Washington, and the Father of the Constitution, James Madison, on the matter:
Washington: "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
Madison:
-"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprize [sic], every expanded prospect."
-"…religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together."
""…a perfect separation between ecclesiastical and civil matters, is of importance."
There are volumes more. The founders considered mixing the state with religion — any religion — as a great threat to liberty. That is beyond factual doubt.
I did not fabricate anything, trickyblain. Neither in the 1st Amendment nor anywhere in the founding documents is that expression "separation of church and state", which was in fact an item in Marx' and Lenin's programs indeed. I am not a scholar in this but conservative scholars agree that no separation had been meant. The meaning of the 1st Amendment is like in items 3, 4:
http://www.resonoelusono.com/Platform.htm
Conservative scholars would have no such rubbish. Dishonest right wing propagandists/ministers will tell you that "separation" is a myth. A objective look at history will tell you exactly what the founders intended.
Did you even read the quotations above?
Lenin and Marx did not advocate separation of church and state – they wanted religion completely abolished. Religion was illegal under Lenin – hardly "separation."
My "dishonest right wing propagandists/ministers" are distinguished authors in World Net Daily: good enough for me.
"The myth of church and state separation", a special issue of Whistle Blower, November 2003,
"The Constitution", a special issue of Whistle Blower, July 2003.
Indeed, Lenin and Marx wanted to eliminate religion, yet Lenin and the Soviet legislation did not express this goal explicitly. Instead in all Lenin's works and in later legislations the wording was literally "separation of church and state". Literally! Do you think they borrowed this from the US founding documents?!
That Soviet law meant that the soviet state never finance anything religious, and on the contrary: the state taxes religion to death, infiltrates their agents, and so on.
I'm always thinking that. Islam doesn't belong here.
Wow SimonJesterUS – would you say that Iran and Saudi Arabia are Muslim nations? If so…then you must acknowledge that the U.S. is based on Judeo-Christian principles. Sharia Law DOES NOT BELONG HERE!!!
Shaira Law does not belong here simply because the US Constitution is the law of the land and Sharia conflicts with it. Has nothing to do with religion.
You think that is bad, you should see parts of the UK that look like souks and are COMPLETELY overrun with Muslims, Parts of London are no-go areas, Birmingham our second largest city is 25% Muslim (though this is denied) Leeds, Sheffield, Rotherham, Bradford and numerous other locations within the UK have Muslim only areas – this is denied as well. The authorities in this country are turning the country into a Police state where if you disagree with the policies espoused by the PC/Multicult crowd you are a "Racist". There can be no disagreement, no rational discussion and above all no criticism of Muslims. DON'T LET THIS HAPPEN TO YOUR GREAT COUNTRY !!! You have been warned.
I saw it for myself in July of 2005, The very day I arrived we were evacuated from the tube because the muslims tried to blow it up again (the 21st of July). I was appalled to see the loathsome burquas by the thousands in Kennsington and Hyde Parks! Sharia oppresses women. I love the English. You must repent as a nation and turn back to the Lord Jesus Christ. THAT is the total essence of the cause of this blight. The British people turned their backs on the Lord. He is your only hope. The same goes for the United States.
its raining in britain;get an umbrella
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It is time for real law enforcement! What's wrong with America? Where are the leaders? Nowhere to be found – and that is why these muslim rat camps are sprouting up. Only realization that islam and the rest of the world are at odds and thus all islam should be obliterated in free societies.
You are asking what is wrong with A merica and I will answer you :
EVERYTHING !!
Start with an army of leftists and outright communists, charming a legion of idiots with the mermaid song of "CHANGE" and getting a "socialist" MUSLIM, (as if OBAMA is a Christian, I'm the Pope) into the White House, whose leanings he never hid and with the Republicans choosing somebody like McCain, who didn't have what it took to tell OBAMA to his face for e verybody to see, that the economic mess, aside from Wall Street greed, was also OBAMA's doing, since he was a fiery opponent to McCain's
proposal to curb the abuses of FREDDIE and FANNIE, because he was on the take from them….
AND all this was fortold in THE BIBLE – people wake up!! THe devil abounds everywhere!!
Bingo!
We can now start to look forward to an increasing amount of honor killings, pedophilia, lots of hate speech against Christians and Jews, and the denial of the Bill of Rights for more and more American citizens who are unfortunate enough to live in islamic neighborhoods or be married to muslims. Remember that Justice Robert Jackson observed that the Bill of Rights is not a suiciden pact. We do not have to tolerate intolerance.
yes you right i agree with you that first we have to look forward to an increasing amount of honor killings.
Americans believe in religious tolerance and free speech. The Muslims to not. Most of them come here to live on welfare and destroy our society–even kill Christians and Jews. Insanity seems to prevail among the left wing "leaders" in our society. I wonder how it will play out.
It will continue to play out as long as the Wahabis continue to pay out.
Damn little to wonder about.
We reverse course and resist … or we vanish like the ancient Buddhists of Afghanistan.
If there is a bully (Islam) and you tolerate the bully and do not stand up to him, but the bully will not tolerate you, guess what will happen? You get the snot beat out of you!
We not only have these muslim strongholds, we have an area in Arizona that the Mexican drug cartels have taken over. Our government's answer was to post a sign saying Americans should avoid it. So, just like I thought…our country is being turned over to the M & Ms.
Maybe in November when Americans elect and American Congress, one that
represents America and its citizens interests, programs will form that will undo
the damage the left has caused. In the process the removal of anti-American
cults and foreign activists could ensue, cancer caught early can be beaten, the
longer the wait the surer it is to be fatal………………….William
Uhm William, I hate to rain on your parade buddy, but how many Republicans are speaking out against this? The answer is zero and their silence is deafening. The fact of the matter is the Republicans are just as blind as the Dhimmicrats, and I’m beginning to believe it is all by design and not by accident. I fear we are heading the way of Europe, where there can be no disagreement, no rational discussion, and above all no criticism of Muslims.
Indeed, it is time for Ryan Mauro and other journalists to start focusing attention on this unlikely phenomenon. How can it be that all the Republicans can be so quiet with respect to Islam? I mean their silence in the face of all this noise made by Islam and Muslims after all these years is becoming deafening. I haven’t heard one Republican yet make a statement about Islam, Muslims, and the Global Jihad that resembles reality yet. Hence, is this by design? Is it all coordinated? Are they all pretending to be stupid for a reason? I think someone should find out, since it is all a little too extraordinary for it not to be coordinated. Something is up. What is it?
To address the "Something is up. What is it?", Simple, we are screwed.
George Bush's religion of peace is moving through the world like a hot
knife through butter and Obama is point man. Arab Oil money, hence
Muslim money has bought enough people, subverted entire governments
and paves the way for the "New World Order". Why would heads of
government and prominent personages cave in to this, well they are
assured that for themselves and their posterity prominence.
The left hates America so much it is willing to take dhimmitude and a
sultans position. The left has brainwashed several generations of
students against America. Yes not Republicans but Conservatives
must work hard to get a new government, elected under any banner,but Conservative………………………………..William
ObamaYoMoma buddy I do not find the word Republican in my comment,
I speak to American Citizens, people that the government works for. If the
electorate will not identify via the primary process electable candidates to
take our Country back the design you infer will come about, slavery of each
and every one of us, Islam is the greatest threat to human existence. My
hope in November is that the Congress will be mostly conservative.
"My hope in November is that the Congress will be mostly conservative."
I do too buddy.
There are a few Repubs in the House that do speak out. The Conservatives in the House have had hearings etc. Don't paint them all with a broad brush.
Lets paint them all gone and have the truly concerned take their places,
people that will fulfill their oath of office and perform due diligence
towards the Constitution as written. Those few who have done all they can
and have spoken out are few indeed and they will have to stand on
their record or fall.
The answer to that is 'negative'. House can be won, and so can be senate, but if you look at the number of SENATE seats in play in November 2010, you will know that it is IMPOSSIBLE for the GOP to win a veto-proof majority in the senate. Ergo, you can not undo any damage already done. Furthermore, MORE damage will be done by Obama, by enacting his agenda through executive orders, 'rules' by his 1200 or so Agencies, by subverting the Judiciary, and finally by declaring a "National Emergency" so NOTHING can challenge his dictates. Things are much more dangerous than most on the Right realize.
There will be enough to stop any action of Obama by pulling the plug on
his spending, investigating the financial dealings could possibly bring
enough to light that will hang Obama and his administration, impeachment
is not impossible. It is the Right that is becoming more dangerous, day by day.
Hang on a sec……I'm confused…..Isn't islam that gutter cult that was invented by a pedophilic warlord rapist named mad mo the false prophet? The same mad mo that invented that same gutter cult, islam, and it's supreme moon doggie allahaha, aka satan? Is that the one?
We have a muslim president so how can we gather enough support to put an end to these enclaves? Islam is a religion created by a rapist so it is understandable that it is against women. What is remarkable is that in America the women refuse to seek equality. They walk around in their jailsuit and cry out how Islam is such a peaceful religion.
Islams theological necessity is to overthrow any political government that is not based on Sharia law. With a birth rate of 8 per average family vs.1.9 per American family they are on their way to bleed our welfare system and will meet their goals in 50 years. … I am proud to be politically incorrect.
May I mention Dearborn, Michigan? The only safe thing about Detroit is that the Islamists will never nuke it – there's too many of their "brothers" already living there.
The vile hatred and anti-American filth that comes out of Dearborn is truly frightening.
Thanks for mentioning Dearborn. I live on the East Side and fortunately do not run into these vermin too often. Recently, some Christian evangelists were arrested at a muslim festival for handing out leaflets the day after they had their lives threatened by these oinkers. Check out story at Jihad Watch: http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/06/geller-islamic-…
We also have a very large Chaldean (Cathoilic Iraqi's) population; but they are the good guys and live mainly in the northern and northeastern suburbs.
Lots of Lebanese and Iranian Christians in the area, too.
I wouldn't count on it–they don't care about their "brothers'" lives and think they'd be doing them a favor by making them instant martyrs.
I recommend you read Steve Coll's book "Ghost Wars – The Secret History of the CIA, Afghanistan, and Bin Laden, from the Soviet Invasion to September 10, 2001" to understand who created and funded extremists in the first place.
I recommend you read "A World of Trouble – The White House and the Middle East–From the Cold War to the War on Terror" by Patrick Tyler.
Once you have read these two books, you may have a much greater understanding of the history and politics of America than you do currently.
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The idea of a single devine being – God, Yahweh, Allah – has existed for over 4,000 years. But the history of God is also the history of human struggle. While Judaism, Islam and Christianity proclaim the goodness of God, organised religion has too often been the catalyst for violence and ineradicable prejudice. In this fascinating, extensive and original account of the evolution of belief, Karen Armstrong examines Western socitety's unerring fidelity to this idea of One God and the man conflicting convictions it engenders.
"The Battle for God – Fundamentalism in Judaism, Christianity and Islam" by Karen Armstrong may also give you some much-needed historical context.
"Islam – A Short History", also by Karen Armstrong, may give you some clarity with regard to Islam.
Hysterical propaganda does your collective intelligence a disservice.
Karen Armstrong? Clarity? Fiona – are you kidding? Armstrong's discussion of Islam is a string of lies – I'm amazed that she has any credibility anywhere – by recommending her as an authority you reveal
yourself as someone who hasnt looked to deeply into the issue…
You're kidding right? While it is true that the CIA had a big part in the rise of these groups it's not with the malignancy that you imply. They were funding and training them in order to fight the Soviets. And while it's also true that they didn't examine these groups closely enough for their long term objectives that doesn't mean that we are responsible for the violent, brutal, and despicable folk that they are.
And Karen Armstrong?!!! Surely you jest?!! Talk about hysterical propaganda!! Historical context?!! From KAREN ARMSTRONG?!!!! BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Phew!!!!! That was a good one!!!! ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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one of the notions that got Bush off course is that the God of Jews, Christians and Islam is the same monolithic god.
Judaism's revelatory, consistent and accurate history that spans over thousands of years, leading up to and with the inclusion of Christianity, (those that believe that Yeshua is the Jewish Messiah) is a closed system.
like Grape Nuts the cereal, any connection Islam has with either one, is neither Judaism, nor is it Christianity.
I hate to say this but at some point an armed citizenry may have to deal with this problem on there own if the government does not. Considering they dont protect the citizens on the border from the drug cartels its not hard to see them ignoring this as well. Especially since countries like Saudi Arabia are behind these enclaves & can easily pay off our corrupt politicians to look the other way. Look at Fox news where conservative commentators like Beck & O'Reilly are very PC about how they talk about Islam & do not critisize them because the Saudis own part of Fox. Sadly I cant help but think our grandchildren will be fighting these vermin on the street some day because of the corruption & lack of courage of todays leaders.
Amen! Could not agree with you more Brett. Here in Tampa Fl they are everywhere and slowly grouping. Know your neighbors and pack heat!
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they may take away our weapons.
brett, sadly many citizens are "afraid" to say this. i am more fearful of our government ,with its tactical bloated a.t.f ,c.i.a.,t.s.a,hsd,e.t.c putting a bullet in the back of my head while "they" defend every ones rights but "MINE"! they can take their politically correct agendas and place them inside their colons. this country is "STILL" ours . as of now , we still have a say. if somehow this arrogant stick figure gets "re-elected" , then i say, we cannot trust a "true" vote any longer. then what some of these idiot liberals "THINK" they want , just might be delivered to them . true americans are tired of the blame , the card , the media and their liberal penis shaped pacifier. keep pushing, and distorting the truth and maybe ,just maybe , the american people "WILL" give you all the headlines you "WONT" be around to print !!!
Karen Armstrong is a dhimmi on steroids. I've read her stuff and she is so off base she's in foul ball territory.
She personifies Hitler's description of "the useful idiot" for Islam.
Allah, the god of Islam is not the same 'divine being' of the other religious belief systems. Allah is a blood thirsty, conquest inspiring devil that was created in the perverse mind of Muhammad (the caravan robbing, child molesting, murderer of thousands of bound captives). The Qur'an is a book that was written after the death of Muhammad and is based on Muhammad's rants and stories of stories Muhammad recalled about Jews and Christian beliefs, with a little Arabian idolatry thrown in for good measure.
The goal of Islam is to conquer the world for Shariah Law. Muslims who immigrate to America do so to 'settle' America as another Islamic country. Our government has been caving-in to the Muslims in a big way since they attacked us on September 11, 2001. There are tax payer-funded foot baths in various places to cater to Muslims who wish to foot-wash before their 5 times a day prayers. Why? The interests and goals of Islam are counter to those of a successful America.
The Muslim Brotherhood (MB) has been conducting a stealth insurgency in America for over 50 years. Now, the MBs are important advisors of our Senators, Congressmen and Presidents (Why?). Our whole federal government is fearful of 'offending' Muslims (Why?). The leadership of our federal government is composed of Dhimmis, wimps and anti-Americans who will not even identify the enemy that seeks to overthrow our Constitutional Republic form of government. America is in trouble and the federal government is the cause of that trouble.
The MBs created Hamas and the Council for American-Islamic Relations (CAIR). These organizations are not 'friends' of America and seek to overthrow our government. Hamas is an outright kinetic Jihad terrorist organization. CAIR is a stealth Jihadi organization (there are several like CAIR in America, too). MBs have infiltrated our school system and key federal government structure. These powerful Muslims must be purged from America. The grandson of the man who started the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt has been denied an entry visa to the United States for many years until last year, when Barack Obama insisted that this MB leader be permitted entry to America (as a celebrity).
They are probably friends. You are correct in all of your statements.
This is some intolerant bigoted rubbish here. What the author notes is that in the United States of America people have freedom of conscience and worship. Is this really any more remarkable than Christian or Jewish communities hanging together? Grow up, you big babies.____James Heartfield
To be honest people like you are part of the problem James. Apparently people cant even complain about things like this any more without being labled a biggot by some know it all do gooder who really doesnt know a damn thing. Wake the hell up! We are not talking about all muslims here but a few radicals who want Shariah law in this country & will resort to terrorism to promote it. Do you want the US to be like Israel or Iraq, having to deal with suicide bombers & such all the time??
It can happen James if we allow it to and thats why these people should be monitored closely and if they are found to be up to no good they should be imprisoned or shipped the hell out of here.
Let's face it Brett, everyone is part of the problem, as far as you are concerned, Brett. No-one is pure enough to breath the air of your Republic of Gilead. Wake up? Calm down. You want people 'monitored closely' – like in Iraq, under Saddam Hussein, you mean?
Excuse me but freedom of conscience is haram (forbidden) in Islam as that is known as shirk and shirk is punished under the pain of death in Islam. While it’s true that under the laws of the USA freedom of religion and worship is allowed, nevertheless, Muslims wouldn’t be forming Muslim no-go zones where Sharia becomes the rule of law if they cared to abide by the laws of America or came to America to assimilate and integrate. Anyway with respect to your absurd garbage, everything he said above is accurate and it couldn’t be anymore obvious that you are a very convenient useful idiot.
Jews and Christians doing much honor killing these days? I'm a winemaker by profession. Should I be excluded from these areas? Have my head chopped off for offending the moon god?
Allahus Snackbar!!! Moon-god shaped pork rinds, on sale today!! Taste their koranic goodness!
hey james , cant wait to see the expression on your face when, you "just" cant understand what it is you did wrong ! i.e. but,but i love everybody , and just want a big group hug . your last name is "infidel" pal , no matter how you choose to spell it . fortunately i believe you will have a time frame to grow a pair, sadly most of you will not even recognize it . good luck . history says you are certainly going to need it !!!
We've had self-selected social enclaves throughout our history – Shakers, Quakers, ultra-Orthodox Jews, hippy communes etc. And if that was all there was to it then Muslim enclaves would not offend –
But Islam – unlike the enclaves of our history – is accompanied by the subjugation of women – including female genital mutilation – , the murder of apostates, honor killings, etc – a disdain for the dominant culture and an ambition to eventually take power and force sharia on all and sundry…
Inasmuch as liberty of conscience is the American way we must permit these enclaves – but only as long as they stay within the law…
In other words we cant be afraid to forbid no-go zones, female oppression, support of terrorism etc……..
Any problems these Muslim enclaves might give us would be of our own doing because we were unwilling to step up to the plate…
This is an answer that makes sense to me. I am afraid, however, of what will be taught in schools that are in these areas.
Hahaha that's a new one. I did not know that Christianity was so dedicated to the interests of women.
Honor killings are still against the law, as far as I know.
'Disdain for the dominant culture' – sounds like what my ancestors would have said about yours back in 1776. Didn't you lot fight for the right of free conscience. Of course Islam is cobblers, but the way to defeat it is to offer something better, not whine about it.
"Hahaha that's a new one. I did not know that Christianity was so dedicated to the interests of women."
I'm not surprised. You don't seem to know Islam either. "husbands love your wives!"
"Honour your father and your mother!"
By pushing the envelope these groups manage to develope areas called no-go-zones. These are bounderies that local law enforcement have no jurisdiction. These zones operate under the Sharia Law that allows the honor killings, mutilation. If an 8 year boy gets caught stealing his arm can be placed under the tire of a car and run over. This an aceptable form of punishment. If you are caught stealing your hands would be cut off. A woman raped by no fault of her own is considered an adultress and will be killed. The rapist is allowed to go free. All of this operates outside of the local law enforcment. You are correct, by our standards these are wrong and should be punished. However, the no-go-zone does not allow us to enter and enforce "our law". The scary part is that we don't know how many muslems there are in the US. The best guess is right at about 5 million people. Look at what is happening in Europe right now…… It will be here before you know it.
Why should the civilized and law abiding people of America 'tolerate' the believers of the Qur'an (a book of hate-speech and Arabic colonialism)? Islam is the world's largest CULT. Islam continues to conduct a war in the name of their 'religion' for the past 1,400 years. Muslims who finally 'see the light' and decide to leave Islam are labeled as Apostates to Islam and are given a sentence of death. Muslims kill those who leave their cult. There is no reason for Americans to 'tolerate' Muslims and their Cult.
Why should the civilised and law abiding people of America tolerate the beleivers of the Qur'an? Because in a free society, what people believe in their heads is their business. Unless you want to take responsibility for telling thousands – millions – of people what they should be thinking from minute to minute (and how would you do that, anyway?) you will just have to let them think what they want.
The law is for punishing wrong acts, not telling people what they ought to be thinking.
You say there is no reason for Americans to tolerate muslims – what is your alternative? Put them in camps? Deportation?
If there belief is to forcibly convert you or cut your throat, then no we should not tolerate them and they should be removed from this country if not from this earth.
Well, if their belief is to forcibly convert you, or cut your throat, then there are laws to deal with that. All your talk of 'removed from this country if not from this earth' is just blabber, compensating for your lack of authority in the real world with cyber rage.
We have laws to enforce Illegal immigration to James…so how is that turning out?
Also If you are living in or near a so called "No go zone" that is under Sharia law then the US laws would not pertain would they? Would you like to see these zones in the US even more thant they are? Apparantly you dont care or just refuse to acknowledge the possiblility it could happen if we dont take steps to stop it. You look at whats happening in Britain & France but that might take some critical thinking, something I doubt you have so go ahead keep your head in the sand where it looks like its comfortable.
What 'no go zone' is that? The one in your head? Where in Britain can I not go? Where in America can you not go? I suppose I can't walk into someone's living room and tell them what they should be watching on the television, but that is to the good as far as I can see. Maybe you should be looking out for your own family instead of worrying about what your neighbours are up to.
Your ignorance is truely astounding james so let me try to educate you if thats even possible.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2006/11/the-751-n…
I think your career as an educator is not looking too prosperous, Brett. The article you link cites Dewsbury in West Yorkshire as a 'no go zone' – which is where I grew up. I have often been back, and it is less of a no go zone than the Eruv in Barnet is. So too the French examples are sadly absurd, since my brother lives in the very same no go zones, and has done for the last fifteen years.
Since you have no experience of Europe, can you name me a region of your own country where you, or the police, are not free to go about their lawful business. Or is it, as any sensible person can now see, so much scaredy-cat hysteria.
The answer to your question – since you are completely unwilling to acknowledge a theologic-philosophic threat is: one suicide bomber, a smart one, emerges from each enclave every six months and takes down a plane or a building in a major city. Let's say one per western country every six months – it is enough to effectively cripple the entire economies of the West. And they are emerging, as the Times Square bomber, and soon they will be skilled enough to succeed.
o well – james' brother has never been assaulted in 15 years – that enough proof for me that there isnt a Muslim enclave problem
- wow – Im glad thats settled…I was getting worried…
There are no zones in the USA that are off-limits – we can go where we will…
There are many places, tho, where if one exercises that right one will most likely be assaulted – you know, like Malmo and numerous other places in Europe terrorised by Muslims…
So from your own experience, you know that the point of the article is wrong about the USA; but you persist in the unsubstantiated belief that it is true of Europe. Still, you are best left to your fantasy terrors. What worse punishment could there be than to be you.
Right, remember the recent dismissal of the Black Panther voter intimidation case. PC correct speak is prevent real sanctions against Muslims who harbor us ill will.
Bravo ! You are an inspiration to us all. Hitler thought a lot about all sorts of things and we Brits studiously ignored him. You and your kind are doing the same and before you say there is no equivalence note that the Koran promotes Anti-semitism, Mysoginy, Homophobia and all sorts of other goodies that are not just thought about but acted on – and yes, in Britain. As to your reply on no go areas in Britain these do exist as they do in France and in other European nations where the ROP has invaded – yes, invaded. Go to Sparkbrook in Birmingham (where they have 3 "Respect" councillors and have a little wander. Better still buy/rent a house there its a lovely area full of people you would like to invite for tea and biccys. Toleration is a two way street and its becoming increasingly apparent that Muslims cannot tolerate Western society. That being the case and the western way of life being superior in all aspects to those the Muslims and their beliefs I would dearly like to see those who don't like our ways leave or be deported.
OK, so the people who are afraid of no-go zones are also keen to learn lessons from Hitler! The Koran does indeed carry misogynist messages, rather like the Bible, in fact, where the case for 'Honor Killings' is made in Deuteronomy:
"If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl's virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father's house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death."
So, too, is the Bible homophobic:
Leviticus 20:13:
"If a man lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination and they shall surely be put to death."
As to Sparkbrook being a No-Go Zone, I was there just last month.
This is what the Respect leader Salma Yaqoob had to say about terrorist bombings last month:
'Wherever Islam is perverted to justify these crimes Muslims must confront such distortions.' http://www.salmayaqoob.com/2010/07/remember-77.ht…
I think you are missing the point. I believe as I want and you believe as you want, however the Muslims want you to believe as THEY want or….it is off with your head! And yes! deport them.
Now it woudln't be tolerated but this too will come to pass.Doesn't matter what you believe in your head-ask Daniel Stern or the Van Gogh guy from Holland.They beheaded the poor bastard in the name of Allah!
"In his opinion, there is a need for communities with “the totality of the essential components of Muslim social, economic, and political structure.” YES AND IT"S CALLED GO HOME TO ARABIA/SOMALIA/OTHER MUSLAM NATIONS – THE USA IS A FREE COUNTRY FOR THOSE WHO ACCEPT AND ASSIMULATE INTO IT'S FREE CONSTITUTIONAL LAWS….
I have seen the enemy & the enemy is IN us!!!
The USA will implode if these terrorists can;t/won't assimulate to our Christian values and ethical mores…go home where you belong, we don't need you here…really, it's ok, go home, run along and stone people/hate women in your own backward countries….
Obama, not all U.S. citizens are Christian. True patriots value the freedom of religion and the right to freedom of speech.
BTW: neither Jefferson nor Franklin were Christian; they were Deists.
"The ideology espoused by Musa and As-Sabiqun is undeniably radical."
Not really, per the texts and tenants of Islam, the ideology espoused by Musa and As-Sabiqun is very mainstream within the Islamic community. Indeed, lets see if you can prove otherwise.
Turn a blind eye to the cnacer inyour midst and soon it will be too late. Of course Obama and Holder are more than willing to turn a blind eye, or blind the eye that sees.
The Obama plan seems to be to follow Saul Alinsky and his 'Rules for Radicals' to ruin America. The choices that Barack Obama has made to put us where we are today have not been accidental or as a result of incompetence; these have been a part of the plan. Obama's plan.
Barack Obama caused more economic damage to America in his first six months in the POTUS office than the economic damage done to America by ALL Muslim terrorist attacks have EVER done.
The realization that Muslim no-go zones are forming in America is not exactly earth-shattering news to me. I mean all one has to do is look around the world where mass Muslim immigration had already occurred and you will see that this phenomena has already occurred in numerous places around the world. It couldn’t be anymore obvious, Muslims don’t immigrate to assimilate and integrate; they immigrate only to make Islam dominate.
Hence, I can’t repeat this enough. In the Cold War we didn’t allow millions of Communists to immigrate and infiltrate our countries because that would have been suicidal. We shouldn’t allow millions of Muslims to immigrate and infiltrate our countries because it is likewise suicidal. Therefore, Muslim immigration must be banned and reverse ASAP before it is too late, as Islam, like Communism before, is also a very radical form of totalitarianism that seeks world domination.
ObamaYoMoma, You said, " It couldn’t be any more obvious, Muslims don’t immigrate to assimilate and integrate; they immigrate only to make Islam dominate." That is entirely correct. First of all, by concentrating their numbers, they concentrate their political power at the local level (political power flows 'up'). It is also easier to mobilize this community for political demonstrations when they are concentrated in neighborhoods around the mosques. These 'ethnic' Muslims (people immigrated from Muslim countries) carry the 'ways' of the old country and live that way here, in America. They live by Shariah Law and do not want to 'become' Americans.
The purpose of their immigration to this country is to 'SETTLE' America to be an Islamic country. This is an important point and must be understood.
'I can't repeat this enough' – but it doesn't matter how often you repeat it, it won't get to be any more plausible. You want to organise your immigration laws on the basis of people's religious beliefs? Well done: you have made the case for turning America from a democracy into a theocracy! Who needs ayatollahs from abroad, when you are so willing to imitate them.
What are you, mentally unhinged and more than a little suicidal? Religion has nothing to do with it. Islam is a very radical form of totalitarianism that seeks world domination like Communism, and we didn’t invite millions of Communists to immigrate and infiltrate America in the height of the Cold War because that would have been suicidal. Hence, common sense dictates we don’t allow millions of Muslims to immigrate and infiltrate America today because that is likewise suicidal. Just because you are too unhinged to realize that the struggle between freedom and the Global Jihad is the Cold War of this century, don’t assume everyone else is nearly as blind as you are.
In any event, I could care less about Islam’s claims to be a religion, look inside every Muslim country in the world and tell me what you see? You will see systematic persecution and violent oppression of non-Muslims and women, that’s what you will see. Hence, it couldn’t be more obvious unless you are absolutely blind that Islam is a very radical from of totalitarianism.
Moreover, every sect of Islam and every school of Islamic jurisprudence in both Shi’a and Sunni Islam teach that disbelievers must be made to submit to the authority of Islam if not spiritually, then corporally. Thus, this holy obligation couldn’t be any more mainstream. Hence, Islam is not only a very radical form of totalitarianism, but it is a radical form of totalitarianism that seeks world domination.
Further, take a look around the world wherever mass Muslim immigration has occurred and you will see that in every case without exception that the vast overwhelming majority of the Muslim immigrants have refused to assimilate and integrate and instead formed Muslim no-go zones ruled by Sharia and in direct contravention to the laws of the states in which they reside. Hence, it couldn’t be anymore obvious that Muslims don’t immigrate to assimilate and integrate; they immigrate to dominate!
Therefore, it couldn’t be anymore obvious that Muslim immigration is suicidal. Indeed, if not for millions of Muslims already living in the USA as a 5th column, 9/11 would have been completely impossible. Anyway, how many more 9/11s are you willing to endure or are you hopeless?
It's you that's hopeless – raging at the internet because you have no authority in the real world. You want to kick at your imaginary enemy because you are in truth a moral coward and a cripple – all mouth and no trousers.
Uhm moonbat, read the article. Muslims are forming Muslim no-go zones over here in the USA right on schedule just like they have been doing everywhere else in the world wherever mass Muslim immigration has also already occurred. Indeed, Ryan Mauro in this article documented as much, unless you can contradict his article. Additionally, it is unequivocal that in every Muslim country in the world without exception non-Muslims and Muslim women are systematically persecuted and violently oppressed, and that’s because Islam besides being just a religion is also a very radical system of totalitarianism that seeks world domination. Moreover, it is also unequivocal that Muslims around the world are committing terrorist attacks and using their own holy text to justify those terrorist attacks around the world, while at the same time they are also pursuing hot and cold jihad against way too many states to mention. Now if anyone has a problem with imagination it is obviously you. Hence, if anyone is a loser and moral coward, you better take a good long look in the mirror to see what you are because on top of that you are also a convenient useful idiot but you are obviously too damn dumb to realize it.
Good post……but dont waste your time on this idiot. I have debated some clueless Libs before but this guy is the height of stupidity.
No, you stick to your closed-world group-think, and don't let any disagreement pollute your pure little heaven. 'No – Go Zones' what a crew of fruitcakes. I guess America has lost it. So much for the champion of the free world.
We know your line Jimmy…pure scatology:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=James_…
James, read the Islamic text espoused in our land. You have no idea regarding the hate for freedom loving individuals in these texts.
Tell you what, read the USC.edu website for valid translations of the Qu'ran and the hadiths for insight., And no, no part of the Bible calls for the eradication or subjegation of nonbelievers.
James, pay attention to the words of Muslims – we are dead in their eyes.
Look, like you I believe Islam was just another faith, similar to Christianity and Judaism, however I found it is not.
A Deist, Feminist, Goy Zionist
Note all the blacks who readily change their name to make clear that they have taken on their new religion. Cassius Clay was one of the earlier ones who becam Mohamad Ali. Black leaders, whether former preachers or former prisoners, gravitate like flies to the religion of their former slavemasters! 60 million blacks were captured from Africa and herded off in chains to march back to their Muslim prisons:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJhSejBDTPI
As we speak, Sudanese Muslims on camels continue to round up black children for enslavement as sexual servants or soldiers. Yet the man that Obama's church awarded its greatest honor, Fahrakan, calls Judaism a "gutter religion," the only religion who's people worked with them to promote equal rights.
Utah was not admitted as a state into the United States until it had outlawed polygamy.
True enough. So What?
From here in Dearbornistan, Michigan: It's already too late. They are here, "setting up shop" How did this happen?
It's called endless, mass immigration, that's how. Most of it legal immigration.
Reduce immigration or else……get a muslim prayer rug, you're gonna need it.
I would tell you to flee to the northwestern suburbs or the east side, but my understanding is that is becoming part of dar-al-Islam as well.
People from Islamic countries are getting preferred status for immigration to America. They have members of the Muslim Brotherhood in the federal government to 'assist' them. The Muslims use guilt and other means (they are 'offended') to effect change on our American ways.
It seems so strange that our country gives so much to the conquering political ideology (Islam) that attacked us on Sept. 11, 2001 and many other times in the past, since the fundamentalist Muslims took power in Iran in 1979–thanks to Pres. Jimmy Carter).
Has our federal government already made America a Dhimmi Nation?
According to information from the Muslim Brotherhood, our 'Mid-West' was selected by the MBs for a 'starting point' because of its central (in America) location. This is a very methodical approach to 'changing' a nation and 'settling' it to be Islamic. I also learned this same information from a former FBI Agent.
Seriously, we need to provide American Muslims with economic stimulus. You know materialism and vanity will make them that much less dangerous. Oh, and get their kids hooked on video games too.
Berl, most Jihadists are from upper middle-class backgrounds. This has zero to do with poverty
Do not worry about the Muslims enclaves. Those millions of illegal aliens are probably devout Catholics and will fight them for their families as we have another Holy War. There are also too many veterans that have served our country, that may disagree with government, but will raise up at the proper time and join forces with the good old boys down home and kick some butt, joining forces con los hermanos del sud de Catolicos. When black, white, latinos, who have already bled together on foreign soil get together to protect our mother land, be careful. We really don't care whether you are liberal or conservative, just don't mess with our families or piddly little place we live in…
It is time, It is time.
Koran, now in 2-ply.
Going through all of the comments, one troll, jamesheartfield and james a special
note, you are without any doubt and idiot……………………….William
If the American people are successful in ridding the Congress of all traitors and
the work begins to restore America the goals should be to deport every Muslim
and send the leftists with them. There will be a need for a great cleansing of the
vile work that progressives have done, no, rather committed against our Nation.
Treason and subversion must be dealt with and antithetical colonists sent away.
"Democracy has within it the seeds of its own destruction." Winston Churchill There is no reason whatsoever why we should "tolerate" any group that entrenches itself in our country but does not embrace the ideals on which we were founded. It's just like the Mexican illegals who have no intention of becoming "American." They fly a different flag and speak a different language and that is exactly how they want it. These folks are not Americans and never will be – they are enclaves of entirely alien practices that do not bode well for the survival of a healthy United States.
Linda, How right you are when you stated, " … the Mexican illegals who have no intention of becoming "American."
The vast majority of the federal law-breakers (federal felony to use false documents for achieving employment or for other financial gain) and career violent felons have no intention of 'becoming' Americans, they are Mexicans and proud of it.
The political power behind the 'push' for Mexicans to 'take' our South Western States is the Communists. These are the 'Che Guevara' Communists that hate Capitalism and want to install a Cuba-like 'free society in America. If these Communist radicals are successful at crushing Capitalism, who will pay the taxes to support the government? Who will employ the people seeking a better life? The simpletons who embrace the Cuban Communism are not very far-thinking.
Since the government won't protect the people, the people must face the enemy head on. We still have the right to free speech, freedom of conscience, assembly, etc. A national campaign to convert Muslims must be concerted by freedom loving Americans.
It doesn't matter what religion or non at all, just as long as it stands on our constitution as envisioned by the FF. It must be relentless, non violent, and in your FACE. Gandhi in reverse.
Success would be when Muslims leave their religion, or their children leave them to be Americans, or the parents and children go home because they can't live in peace without bumping into those pesky freedom loving Americans, crazy about their liberty and willing to take it to the extreme.
Engage Muslims in arguments, every day, every where you find them.
Let every citizen do his duty in defense of our country.
"Engage Muslims in arguments, every day, every where you find them.
Let every citizen do his duty in defense of our country. "
Very good advice. I do this where ever I can speak with Muslims. Allah is a god of hate and murder and slavery and distrust. The Christian God is one of love; Muslims are unfamiliar with this concept.
Is future gloomy also for America ?
Consult: http://xrl.us/bgs93x
Exactly right. The Muslims in America seek to use our laws and capture our language freedoms. The Muslims are easily 'offended' by our talking/writing about what is Islam and the Qur'an. The Qur'an is a book of lies, murder and is a book of strategy for the Muslims to use to overthrow other societies.
Islam and Americans.
Islam was conceived in the Arabian Peninsula a place where existence was hard and violence a daily fact. Islam would not have been accepted if it was a religion/ideology of love and kindness.Till today, violence and extremism animates Islam. What ever reason to express hate and violence, it will always be welcome : caricatures, difference in opinions, freedom of expression etc. Whoever does not agree with Islam is a target for hate and violence as explained at : http://israelagainstterror.blogspot.com/2010/04/e…
So many Americans forget about the massive inconvenience we experience on a daily basis as a direct result of the Jihadi terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001. All of the Muslims who murdered the flight crews and took over those airliners did this evil deed in the name of their evil god, Allah (the blood-thirsty devil). When the evil Muslim Army Major (Hasan) murdered those unarmed service people at Fort Hood, he did this in the name of the blood-thirsty devil, Allah. For Muslims, there IS a religious war going on and they are the side that is actively 'prosecuting' that war upon the non-Muslim population of the world. In the Muslim Cult, their world is them versus everyone else.
How do we defend the US Constitution without destroying it in the process?
How do we grant or allow certain groups all of our Constitutional rights when they are crystal clear that they wish to see us destroyed or brought to our knees?
If you examine Muslim history and Muslim current events, they clearly do not have a good track record on coexistence. Current events indicate that dysfunctional dictatorships and third-world misery is their outcomes.
Islam means submission. For starters please read "The Legacy of Jihaad" by Andrew G. Bostom and "A G-d Who Hates" by Wafa Sultan, then read "The Decline of Eastern Christianity Under Islam" by Bat Ye'Or, also read her bok, "The Dhimmi". Then you will begin to understand that the islamists are not here for the reasons other immigrants came here. They do not want to become part of the USA/American culture. They are not here to worship their G-d in peace. They are here to take over America and institute Sharia law. This is a planned takeover of the United States. Read about the Armenian genocide too as history tends to repeat itself. Vahakn Dadrian's "The History of the Armenian genocide" is a good book to get started on this subject and will enlighten people as to what the Islamists want to do here in the USA. Please note that I am aware that there are Muslims who ar not Islamists.
Please excuse the typographical errors above. i am not a particularly good typst.
It's the immigration stupid!!! Liberal "let em all in" open borders wackos see nothing wrong with making the US a Motel 6 for everyone, anyone, legal , illegal, what's the difference??? Mohammed Atta? Come on in, baby!!!
We have a million TSA agents scanning grandmas at US airports but our southern border is wide open. Makes no sense. We are watching the decline and fall of the American nation…..there is still time to change course….better happen soon!!!!
For those people who say "wait till November when we elect such and such and get rid of such and such. I have news for you. The such and suchs of the Republican/Tea Party are just as spineless as the current idiots in power. They are all politically correct self-serving money hungry thieves who will sell their mothers to get elected or reelected. Look at the guy in Massachussetts, Brown. The conservatives thought they elected one of their own and this bum is voting with the liberals. There will be an armed struggle in this country. The Islamics must be defeated but it will only come by violence.
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The war that is coming is going to make WW II look like a zip gun shoot out between the Jets and the Sharks. If anyone believes that the sharia mad jihadists will just go away or are going down, easy is either a cowardly fool or a fellow traveler. These demented fanatics will have to be ground down and crushed like their ideological mentors (the Nazis and Imperial Japenese) were before them.