With “honor” killings on the rise worldwide and in the West especially, Frontpage Symposium has decided to explore the impulse that clearly lies behind this crime against women: the fear and hatred of women’s sexuality. In this special Symposium edition, we have assembled a distinguished panel to approach this phenomenon from a specific angle that is almost always ignored in our media and culture at large. We ask: what are the toxic consequences to a culture in which males allow sexual satisfaction only to themselves? To discuss this issue with us today, our guests are:
Dr. Nicolai Sennels, a Danish psychologist who worked for several years with young criminal Muslims in a Copenhagen prison. He is the author of Among Criminal Muslims. A Psychologist’s Experience from the Copenhagen Municipality. The book will be out in English later this year. He can be contact at: nicolaisennels@gmail.com.
Dr. Joanie Lachkar, a licensed Marriage and Family therapist in private practice in Brentwood and Tarzana, California, who teaches psychoanalysis and is the author of The Narcissistic/Borderline Couple: A Psychoanalytic Perspective on Marital Treatment (1992, The Many Faces of Abuse: Treating the Emotional Abuse of High -Functioning Women (1998), The V-Spot, How to Talk to a Narcissist, How to Talk to a Borderline and a recent paper, “The Psychopathology of Terrorism” presented at the Rand Corporation and the International Psychohistorical Association. She is also an affiliate member for the New Center for Psychoanalysis.
Dr. David Gutmann, emeritus professor of Psychology and Behavioral Sciences at Northwestern University Medical School in Chicago.
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Dr. Nancy Kobrin, a psychoanalyst with a Ph.D. in romance and semitic languages, specializing in Aljamía and Old Spanish in Arabic script. She is an expert on the Minnesota Somali diaspora and a graduate of the Human Terrain System program at Leavenworth Kansas. Her new book is The Banality of Suicide Terrorism: The Naked Truth About the Psychology of Islamic Suicide Bombing.
FP: Dr. Nancy Kobrin, Dr. Joanie Lachkar, Dr. David Gutmann and Dr. Nicolai Sennels, welcome to Frontpage Symposium.
Dr. Sennels, let me begin with you.
As you referred to in our recent symposium, you are well aware – especially as a psychiatrist — of the vital role that bringing a woman sexual pleasure plays in a man’s life. If a man’s sexuality involves only bringing himself pleasure and satisfaction, and never involves bringing a woman pleasure, the consequences are not just devastating for the woman, but for the male himself. If this phenomenon occurs because the culture at large has shaped this disposition of males, and if this practice by males is therefore widespread and constitutes the norm, the effect on the male psyche in this culture, and on the culture at large, is perniciously harmful — to say the least. There are pathological and toxic results, which include not only the lust for terror against “the outsider,” but also against oneself — suicide.
The Muslim culture and religion, and the roots of jihad, clearly come to mind here.
What your thoughts to my introductory statement for our discussion here today?
Sennels: My findings are that growing up in the Muslim cultures is psychologically unhealthy on numerous realms. The positive attitude towards anger and the narcissistic concept of honor prevents many Muslims from maturing as human beings. Together with the racist and aggressive attitude towards non-Muslims, a strong identification with the Muslim Umma and favoring of Middle Age religious dogmas at the expense of common sense, human rights and science the Muslim mentality makes it impossible for most Muslims to integrate into our democratic, secular and civilized Western culture. Not only that: it makes Muslims into less happy and mentally healthy people. No wonder that the core of such a culture is based on the repression of sexuality and female qualities.
There is no doubt that Muslim men’s negative view on women has a high price not only for the women but also for the men and Muslim culture in general. We men receive a long row of qualities when we open up to women: empathy, the ability to function in groups without creating hierarchies and more mature ways of experiencing and expressing our emotions – these are among the most important.
Besides several ancient nature religions and Eastern religions such as Hinduism, Taoism and Buddhism, Gustav Jung (1875-1961) was the first in the West to discover the importance of opening up to the opposite sex: men who suppresses women never really grow up. Shy and nerd-like computer geeks and aggressive male chauvinists are the two most typical results. Both types are often lonesome, feel “empty,” are sexually frustrated and in many cases perverse, easily depressed and socially incompetent. Since aggression is seen as positive in the warrior-like Muslim tribal culture the latter is most often the result in Islamic societies. A recent study in Germany lead by the former German minister of Justice Christian Pfeiffer concluded that “Religious Muslim boys are more violent“. According to this gigantic research project involving intense interviewing of 45.000 teenagers, Muslim culture cultivates an unhealthy and aggressive Macho attitude among Muslim males.
Now Jamie, in terms of the specific issue of our discussion, when it comes to the male not bringing sexual pleasure to a woman, this has severe consequences not only on the woman, but also on the male and on the culture in general (if this is a standard cultural ethos, which is the case with Islam). The wish to bring happiness to one’s partner — especially sexual happiness — is fundamental for being able to experience and express love. Men who does not have this wish will be cut off from the maturing experience of learning from the kind of wisdom and emotional life that only women express fully. This leaves men less mature and less happy. The point is that the more you give, the more you get – on all levels. Men who joyfully see themselves as a source of bliss, satisfaction and happiness to their female partner have found the key to their own human growth and a successful relationship. Since Islam and the Muslim culture prevents men and women from freely meeting as equal partners, Muslims are cut off from this important cause of happiness and maturity. The result is the childish fanaticism and immature ways of handling emotions that clearly characterize Muslim societies. The propagation of the Islamic scriptures and Muslim males’ suppression of women and their ignoring of female qualities and need for happiness is the main course for the suffering and hate in Islamic societies. That terrorism arises is no surprise.
The suppression of women in Islam and Muslim culture is an effective tool in keeping its propagators aggressive and emotionally cold towards their infidel victims. If we manage to liberate the Muslim women, we have Islam cornered and removed its corner teeth. In Western societies, this can only be done by creating sufficient amounts of shelters for women fleeing from violent and suppressing husbands and installing strict laws on honor-related crimes. We already have around 40 shelters in Denmark. 70 percent of the women contacting one of the biggest women shelters, Dannerhuset in Copenhagen, have “Middle Eastern back ground”. We also need to send female social workers into the immigrant homes to conduct regular interviews with the females to make sure that they feel safe and are free to use the many possibilities and rights that our countries allow them. If their male family members don’t like it they are free to leave the country.
We do not want to see the suppressive and uncivilized Islamic view on women get a hold in our countries. Finally, our Western welfare societies should only give economic support to the first two or three children. This might prevent Muslim families from moving to our countries and have a lot of children that often become a burden to society.
It also leaves the immigrant women more free to integrate and use their Western standard freedoms.
The liberation of women in Muslim countries is mainly done by diminishing the amount of child births. Being pregnant five times or more and raising the same amount of children leaves poor and uneducated mothers no chance to empower themselves. They are bound to their homes and completely dependent on their often not so gallant husbands. The most effective way is to pay people in poor countries to have less children. Instead of giving economical aid to corrupt dictators it should be given directly to the women of the families – just like the Nobel Prize winning micro loans. The amount of money should be inversely to the amount of children. Also no economical aid should be given to non-Western countries except if it is aimed at putting a lid on the over population. This would leave the women stronger and more free to live the life they want. A pleasant bonus is that it will better the economy and general human conditions, thereby lessening the possibly for religious fanaticism and conflicts – which again will diminish the flow of refugees to our part of the World.
FP: Dr. Sennels thank you.
Nancy Kobrin, give us your thoughts on the topic and on Dr. Sennels’ analysis.
Please touch on this in your answer: When Muslim males in their sexually repressive cultures get a glimpse, for one reason or another, of our female pop stars, let’s say beautiful female stars such as Byonce, Rihanna or Mariah Carey, etc., it is unsurprising what ferocious dread and rage enters their psyches. It is crucial to explore how and why this happens. First, these females clearly represent female beauty and female sexual self-determination. So the Muslim male faces a great threat immediately. We know the many reasons why. But let me narrow in on one dynamic:
Let us suppose that a Muslim male is faced with one of these women — who are in charge of their own sexuality — in a possible sexual entanglement. In other words, let’s picture the Muslim male here seeing these women and visualizing, even for a split second, the possibility of a sexual relationship with one of them. What is the thought process? We know that the Muslim male immediately faces, with terror, the reality of what would emerge in terms of a sexual encounter on an equal level of reciprocity. So, instead of just engaging in some kind of prison-like violent sexual aggression against a helpless, mutilated woman who has no rights of any kind, the Muslim male would have to try to function as a male to not only satisfy himself, but to also satisfy the woman. This means that, among other things, he would have to open himself up, not just for praise, but for possible judgment in terms of what kind of lover he is.
In other words, the woman afterwards will make a judgment and maybe, possibly, say something negative not only to him, but to someone else about him. She might even giggle about something she found insufficient and inadequate. She might even immediately dump him because of this — and might even laugh about it to her friends. This is what we call freedom – and one of the ingredients of the human condition that might surface within freedom.
One can just imagine the psychotic rage that results in the minds of many Muslim males in repressive Islamic cultures at the very notion and possibility of this reality. They would not only want to obliterate the woman for the reality of what she may think of their performance (and for what she may also say and do about it), but they would want to destroy the society that would allow this possibility. One of the products of this ferocious hatred of this ingredient of the human condition and its possibilities is, undoubtedly, jihad.
I would like you Dr, Kobrin, and the rest of the panel, to touch on this observation and how it applies to our discussion, thanks.
Kobrin: Pleasuring a woman — which means helping her achieve orgasm — is the key issue here. This sexual problem in the Middle East has not been fully appreciated by the West. It is not discussed in the Middle East because it is a subject of extreme shame that the men are impotent. Ironically we are dealing with shame-honor cultures who do not understand that the function of shame is not to willfully spill blood to cleanse honor. This is a cover-up for not having women who are truly free because of their own terrors and sense of vulnerability. This applies to Afghanistan and Somalia as they are Muslim shame-honor cultures as well.
Jamie, you have hit the nail on the head and I am not sure most of us are aware that we are dealing with psychotic thinking. This occurs when one is vilified and the other is devalued as the bad/hated or devalued object. This is a mechanism of defense known as splitting.
The Jihadi men can appear and present themselves as normal but they are not normal.
Obviously I do not want to sweepingly say that all Muslim males are stereotypically denying their females, However, given the fact that one does not hear moderate Muslim men discuss this issue of pleasuring women, we can tell that it is too sensitive of an issue. Even in the eye of the storm for moderate Muslim men, we could assume that this is not only a highly charged issue, but one that is extremely uncomfortable. Let alone think of how this could put them into a role of competing with other men especially in democratic societies where domination and control of women are not a valued tradition. It has been said too that this is one of the reason white western men convert to Islam in significant numbers because they are at a loss as to how to socially deal with western women.
Given that we are dealing with a shame-honor society, we might consider the following psychological defenses as playing a major role:
1. Splitting, that is, thinking in terms of black and white.
2. A highly enmeshed markedly paranoid family unit.
3. Boundary confusion.
4. Unspoken sexual abuse.
5. Terror reigns, hence we encounter governmental abuse and dictatorships.
6. Shame blame when the male is emasculated, the female is severely punished, nay obliterated – female genital mutilation, honor killing etc.
I agree with Dr. Sennels concerning the high rate of frequency of domestic violence which he describes in Denmark. The Centre for Social Cohesion in the UK did geo-mapping of where they found domestic violence and the jihadis. What a coincidence! There was tremendous overlap. Such violence is a shamefully revealing phenomenon that the ummah does not want to address in appropriate ways.
By contrast look at the naked midriffs of young free Israeli women, their tummies showing and expressing themselves dancing freely in this video. As you know I have been working on this problem for years but it was when I was watching an Israel music video by one of the best funky jazz/r&b guitarists, Dudu Tassa in a song called “Zouzi” that I realized why the Saudis must really be peaved with the Israelis living so close by. It’s not just because of the verses of hatred of the Jew in the Qur’an but also the freedom of its open society.
Clearly, Hamas and Hezbollah can’t even remotely compete, that is why they resort to bonding through rage, hatred, roadside bombs, missiles and suicide bombers, etc.
Finally, I think that Dr. Sennels has a splendid idea about encouraging less children. However, it flies in the face of doing Jihad through demographics. But from a child-rearing and maternal attachment point of view, Dr. Sennels has it right. Less is more and also better and healthier. Oddly by denying women pleasure they deny themselves pleasure. Pain gets confused with pleasure and viola, you have sado-masochism.
FP: Very profound Dr. Kobrin. John Racy, a psychiatrist with much experience in Arab societies, has touched on many of these themes. He has noted how the Islamic culture promotes a threatening sense of inadequacy in men (and therefore women) and that impotence (and related) problems among them are common phenomena.
In his classic work, The Closed Circle, David Pryce-Jones discusses these sexual pathologies in the Arab world and notes that it is therefore no surprise that the Arab male is obsessed with proving his sexual superiority. This obsession finds its expression by targeting the Western infidel with violence. Thus, it’s not really that much of a mystery: by not veiling its own women and by giving them personal and sexual freedom and pleasure, the West enrages Islamists, leading them to unleash terror in a furious attempt to keep their own women enslaved, sexually unfulfilled, and their own personal sexual impotence hidden. (See Chapter 11, “The Seeds of Hate,” in United in Hate for a further discussion.)
Lachkar: This topic borders on the broader picture: the violation of human rights that exists throughout the Middle East. The degradation of women in the Muslim world is one theme inextricably linked to not only the role of women and their functions, but to the power of their maternal capacities and sexualities.
As an example of such violations, it has been noted that in some Arab countries, as well as in other parts of the world, clitoridectomy, or female circumcision, is still practiced. It is most often performed on females between the ages of seven or eight (before menstruation). This is a practice whereby midwives and female family members grasp the girls legs apart to expose her genitals. Then a sharp razor is used to cut off the clitoris. According to Lloyd deMause, it is a harsh and perverse act, an enactment of one’s frustration and aggression directed toward the innocent young victimized girls.
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Why do so many well educated nonmuslims refuse to believe this and for how long will they go on by refusing this?
They are blinded by the political-correctness-paradigme.
Distortions of reality based on dogma takes a long time to break down.
So do not hold your breath, my friend….
Islam is Medievalism in the modern world……medieval man was emotionally immature , hysterical , fanatical and insecure , just like moslems are today . Islam is a whole civilation trapped in a timewarp , a whole group of people suffering ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT , a frozen religion of the desert that has failed to ''grow up '' and mature….christianities malignant and deviant little brother ! Moslem males are rather like teenage juvenile delinquents trying to get ''layed''….they're just pathetic !
Well-said
A very apt observation.
As a Muslim I fully agree,
an interesting discussion, as a western male, coming from a miltary western culture, the u.s. marine corps, i have great difficulty understanding the muslim mind you all describe, but then even as a warrior i did not share the fear of a woman's sexuality as does the muslim. i enjoy it as a compliment to my own efforts to please her, and a happy, satisfied woman makes me happy, as i am certain i would not, could not be in the muslim culture. i long ago left the military life, though not its ideals and am looking forward to my 44th year with a wife whom i love, respect and honour as a person and a woman, and receiving the same in return from her, and i can only feel pity for the muslim male who cannot enjoy the same because of the blinders put on him by his culture/ religion which you justifiably describe as sick.
"semper fidelis"
hmm…u r completely wrong about this, off course i know that there are supposed 'muslims' out there who think they can mistreat their womenfolk…but our religion states that it is the duty of a man to treat his wife with care and respect and to not ill treat her…our beloved prophet pbuh treated his wives with such care and respect and they in turn loved and respected him…so don't blame islam, blame the 'so-called' muslims who cannot even understand their religion properly. in every community there are bad people…same goes for the muslim community…there are people who don't follow the laws and commit crimes such as rape, theft in every social community, so please understand that there are also people who do not obey the laws of islam, and twist the verses of the quran to suit their own desires/perceptions…for eg if my husband ill treated me like that…i would first talk to him and make him understand, if he continues to abuse me i would get a divorce…the end.
On Sept 11, 2001 as I was walking home to the Bronx, I had the thought that the Muslims were really knocking down 2 large phallic symbols.
Having known about genital mutilation of women, and their treatment of women. The conclusions made by this panel is obvious to anyone who really thought about it.
You are not the only one to make this connection.
I have long thought that the 72 virgin award due any jihadists in paradise (provided he die while killing, Q: 9-111) is only superficially related to the virgin's "vaginal tightness" and that these virgins are really intended to award the dead jihadists with objects of perpetual rape.
Clitoridectomies are performed by women on girls, often at grandma's insistence. How does this equal male domination and abuse? The Muslim households I've known have been run by the old women. In many cases, even those where the man has a western education and all the trappings of modern western life, still, his mother picks his bride, and his mother calls the family shots, The male offspring seem to remain coddled, self-indulgent little boys long after adulthood., with few responsibilities to the family other than making money. Their free time is spent in the company of other males, just like in 6th grade, The rage? The honor killings? The murderous/suicidal culture? All symptoms, I think, of impotent immaturity, and I lay that at the feet of the women who never gave their sons the skills to survive in a complicated world. And their daughters, who grow up to be victimized and abused? They raise children to go along with the same abusive system, and perpetuate the misery, just as frat boys who hated being hazed, continue the ugly tradition. Then they become mothers-in-law, ruling the family roost. Don't think, then, that women aren't entirely complicit in that culture's social pathology.
It makes any woman born in an Islamic country, who leaves the culture behind even more remarkable.
It's called raising a family without a father. When you have multiple wives you are NOT raising your children. The mothers are on their own. The American prison system shows the results of this. Per capita "African" Americans are off the charts in comparison to other races. But….take out the factor of fatherless homes and the numbers are comparable in all races. (I think I just read that 80% of all people locked up long term or for violent crimes come from fatherless homes.) This is my guess is the root of the problem with young Muslim men with criminal mentalities. God (the God of the Christian Bible has it right.) Everyone else is wrong. One man one woman, Everything else is dysfunction and leads to death.
As for the idea that women are naturally kinder, gentler, more fully-actualized, in touch with their inner souls, and all that- That's bunk. I was in junior high school once, and girls are vicious. I was in a college sorority once. They're not only vicious, but petty enforcers of a rigid pecking order. I worked in an office full of older women. They didn't outgrow that stuff, and on top of that, felt compelled to rehash at tedious length all the little dramas in their lives, recounting word-for-word squabbles. On company time. At least the men I worked with, once they got the morning sports report and crude sexual double entendres over with, were wlling to get to work.
Excellent post. Be clear, extremists have not hijacked Islam, Islam hacked Muslims and they have no way out in their brain washed minds. I run a site completely dedicated to Sharia law and the cult called Islam. Come visit at http://www.dangersofallah.com Enjoy
Muslim women are as guilty as Muslim men for their awful lives. So much for worrying
about collatteral damage. It seems they as a society are going to be a continuous
cancer in the family of man on Earth. This is not one or two households, we are
talking about over a billion people, draconian actions ring any bells, something
so large and powerful that they must change, who in our leadership is capable of
any thought or act comprable to the problem…………..Think second coming……..William
Dr. Nancy Kobrin refers to Sadomasochism as if it were a sickness, which I am afraid is unacceptable for those people who enjoy a BDSM (Bondage-Domination-Sado-Masochism) lifestyle. This is a shame because what you have produced here is an extremely important collection of views and we hope to rely on their credibility. BDSM players may experience consensual erotic pleasure from receiving and/or inflicting pain, but that is not what Nancy is talking about. I hope she can find another word.
The news of the death of Psychoanalysis are premature and greatly exagerated. Great post and conference, it does explain many things; unfortunely our presnt "PC" government and the mainstream media are NOT willing to admit and understand
Sexual dysfunction and distortion take many forms. As the panel details, clearly some have more serious negative side-effects than others. Some would surely ask, "So what's definitive? Read the first two chapters of FLAME OF YAHWEH – Sexuality in the Old Testament (Davidson) and the current global insanity will quickly all make sense. Islam is a distorted caricature of both Judaism and Christianity. Is it any wonder that their understanding of sexuality would suffer the same fate?
So the root cause of all jihad and shariah is sexual rage. Reminds us of the Freudians and Marxists in the English department back in the dark ages of our youth, with their one-size-fits-all explications of the "texts." Oh, well. SImple ideas for simple folk, we guess. How this pink satin brand of reductionism passes for conservatism is a little hazy, although some of the former radicals at Frontpage seem to have found a way to bend resistance back upon itself until it appears to be something it is not.
It's never too late to stamp out filthy evil. Never too late. We all, bar none will help the Israelis… we have to ….for our sakes and for the good of this planet. It is said that blood always flows where muslims go……soon blood will flow where muslims have gone but it will be muslim blood that will flow. Non-muslim Good blood will also flow in the fight back by evil but that is expected. We live in interesting times. Get ready boys and girls ….our grand-children will thank us BUT FIRST we have some sincere work to do even if it repulses us. SUCH IS LIFE. AFTER DARK COMES LIGHT AND ONLY AFTER islam IS SMASHED WILL COME PEACE FOR OUR CHILDREN'S CHILDREN. We have to make this happen.
Best video I have ever seen on the cowardice of of appeasing Islam. See it for yourself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9dXGJ2rYdA
Best video I have ever seen on the cowardice of of appeasing Islam by allowing a Grand Mosque at ground zero. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjS0Novt3X4&fe…
I was married to a muslim man. While he expected sex on command, in ten years of married life, he never gave me on night of sexual satisfaction. Sex was something that happened at his convenience, when he wanted it, and I had no say on what was being done to my body. I wasted my 20s with this man, I will not waste my 30s with another loser. I divorced him and will NEVER sleep with a muslim man again. And I will make sure my daughter does not make the mistake of marrying a muslim. The sexual rights of a muslim woman exist on dusty papers somewhere and are only discussed when nonmuslims ask muslim men about the sexual rights of women; they are rarely discussed in a muslim family and it is shameful for a muslim woman to even talk about sex. I feel angry that I got suckered into a relationship with a man who did not think of women as human beings. he was very passive aggressive so it took me a long time to understand his deeply misogynist nature. Stay away from these losers, they wouldnt know how to satisfy a woman if u hit them on the head with the kamasutra. And I am a muslim myself, except I will never let a muslim man touch my body again.
would like to now where your husband came from im going out with a muslin man and getting married soon,but i agree with some what you say,but surely there are good muslins and bad just the same in other reliegions it depends on the place they come from and how they grew up…. im marrying a morrocain young man. we have a large age gap yet we are perfect together..anyone else got married to a morrocain ?
Dear Muslim Woman:
If you would never let a muslim man touch your body, why are you still muslim yourself? I mean, can you imagine anyone (woman or man) saying, "I'm a communist but will never marry anyone who's also a communist?"
HEEEEE , U PEOPLE MAKE ME LAUGH TO MY SELF HAAAAAA
MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE BEEN MARRIED OVER TEN YEARS , HE'S MUSLIM AND U KNOW WHAT HE MORE THEN MAKES ME HAPPY IN THAT DEPARTMENT . ONLY PROBLEM IS HE IS VERY HUNGRY HAAAAAAA. AND WHY SHOULD U TALK ABOUT SEX TO STRANGERS LADY . BUT WITH MY HUSBAND THE SUBJECT IS OPEN . I THINK U JUST GOT A MAN WHO IS LIKE ANY MAN THAT ISNT CONCIDERATE .
at last some one talking sence…sex should be kept in the bedroom with husband and of course he 's good to you its because he love's you and hope you both continue to be happy …so happy for you xx what part of the world does he come from,mine's morroco and good muslin
This story made absolutely no sense to me. There is good men and bad men in every religion. Should I start a blog not to marry a white man, or black man and so on. I have been happily married to a moroccan man for 8 years. We have two beautiful children together and I have embraced islam just as much as he has learned about christianity! As far as the sex…you are not disgusted that he is a muslim, you are disgusted he did not satisfy you sexually. But your fault for opening your legs to him. My husband treats me like a queen and my family loves him. He is not street, well educated and loves life. I guess we will be reading another story from you how another man didnt satisfy you!
well done in what you say…sex should be between the two who want it not to be talked about out of the home,and you should now the man you want to marry and love him from your heart. nothing to do with sex……what nothing else to talk about …sex sex ….no no thats privete
what you said so true i agree with everything you say….im marrying a moroccan and he is muslin im trying to become one to .and find morroccan men are good men they listen to what you have to say.try to please and as for sex thats not all to life,im happy with my man not for sex side of it. love to now which part of morroco yours come from and why they seem to have such a bad name ..like people say they only want money or passport why are people so cruel just give them a chance .
well done who wrote that above <3 im going out with a morroan man who is 40 years younger than me,we have been seeing each other for two years and i spent lotts off my time with him in morroco and he has a loveley family which made me very welcome.we plane to marry but im waiting for my devorce which is taking a long long time due to not having contact for 10years so dont no were he his.we talk on phone twice a day and online sometimes too.he is kind and stronge muslin which im now trying to be.will it work for me,i love this azeddine very much but will they allow marrage with age gap ??any help or advise would be glad off .
im from uk gloucestershire and hope to marry my young morrocan boyfriend and hope he can then live in uk with me.can anyone give me advise.we have a large age gap but it doesnt seem to bother him ,me ,or his family.we talk every day and i go to his city as much as i can.i trust him and love is family too.i have heard you have to have a medical befor you marry any one now about this and what ,,,,its about.wish i were rich but im not.because its hard to get money to go out to see him,but love him so much.
im going out with a muslin young man ,i love him and hope he loves me …yes they do believe in there allah desides on things but they are diferant in the bedroom . true little more what happens behind the bedroom door stays there,and not so much loveing but sex its between to grown up's and you should be together for comfort and loving in other ways not just sex.they have some good believes.and so nice in so many other ways ,there familys are so close and men stay with men women with women whats bad about that.? he comes from morroco ,