DeMause goes so far as to pronounce this act as the gateway to trauma and destruction not only for the child, but the society in general. Girls not only go through excruciating pain, but often faint from shock (no anesthetic), suffer from such after effects as blood poisoning, childbirth complications, and unbearable pain during intercourse. Some report constant urinary tract infections, infertility, and sometimes die from hemorrhage.
It is important, by the way, to make a distinction with male circumcision. What is done to a boy is circumcision, while what is done to girl/woman is termed ‘genital mutilation.’
In keeping with the theme of this discussion, the circumcision is designed to curtail a women’s sexuality and keep her repressed. This can only leave us to speculate that if Muslim men are programmed to think of women as chattel or used as sex objects for their own pleasure, how do the women achieve sexual fulfillment?
How does a Muslim man rejoice in the woman’s pleasure when he has been pre-scripted/pre-programmed to not only devalue her as a sexual object, but to deprive her of any pleasure? What seems to be most pervasive is not the sexual act in and of itself, but the idea that there is always a third bedfellow, a Koran that testifies that the way to avoid sin is to oppress women to maintain a shame/honor society. The woman can easily shame and dishonor her man by presenting herself as none less than the virgin the man will meet in Paradise, but until he gets there she must play and fit into the role of this perfect virginal paradigm. My fantasy is that as he lusts after her, he then repents by persecuting himself and maybe even abusing his wife for behaving as she did at the “scene of the crime.” Although none of us are there to observe, as the Kafkian bug on the wall, we can only speculate as to what really goes on the bedroom.
I believe these thoughts are in keeping with Dr. Kobrin’s acknowledgement of an Arab-Muslim culture — a shame-honor culture. I might add how this differs from Judeo-Christian culture, which is based on sin and redemption, evoking guilt as opposed to shame. This difference is significant in that guilt tends to get turned inward against the self as self-punishment whereas shame is turned outward and needs to destroy the object/women who dishonored the male.
Dr. Kobrin rightfully refers to this as the psychological defense of splitting. The bad lustful “baby boy self” projects onto the devalued object, and therefore since he is fused with her he must destroy or humiliate her. Dr. Kobrin’s new book, The Banality of Suicide, details the toxic pathological attachment with the maternal object, where she not only parallels domestic violence to universal political terrorism as complimentary terrorism, but there is a synergistic and hence a power-terrorizing effect. There is no doubt that Muslim men’s negative view of women has made them and their society pay a high price.
Dr. Sennels notes that the Muslim culture and religion, and the roots of jihad, are linked to man denying a woman pleasure. The point I would expand on is not the sexual act in and of itself, but the entire theme of a culture of deprivation and envy. I agree with Dr. Sennels that this practice by a male can lead to devastating effects not only on his sense of manhood but upon an entire culture heading toward death and terror. In response to Jamie’s comment about “lust for terror against the outsider,” and this can pave the way to suicide, that if the deprivation becomes more than the psyche can hold or contain, I would imagine there is no way out of this toxic inferno. Dr. Sennels also nails it when he calls our attention to the amount of childbirths. One might refer to the uterus used as a subversive act of terror.
Jamie presents an interesting scenario: how would a Muslim man (and it is clear we’re referring to Muslim men who have internalized the misogynist Muslim culture) respond sexually in the face of a “normal” sexual inhibited woman? My guess, he would act in one or two ways: display a false self or a persona to hide his shame, and go after her aggressively, or he would end up feeling grossly humiliated if she were to see through his masked self. Although Kobrin does not make reference to the false self, she does confirm that the “Jihadi men can appear and present themselves as norm, but they are not normal.” Nevertheless, what is important is not how the jihadi male responds to the modern female, but how he defends an entire culture trained to repress such women so he can maintain his sense of control.
Gutmann: We all seem to be pretty much in agreement that the typical Muslim male’s stance towards women is characterized by barely disguised anger and a need to control the woman’s sexual response and pleasures. And these same neurotic tendencies are, in their turn, defenses against the man’s fear of female sexuality (a fear that can lead to impotence) and against the shame which attends such fear.
The unexpurgated “Arabian Nights” dramatize these fears. In these lurid accounts, the woman is regularly presented as sexually insatiable, just waiting for the chance to copulate with any inferior man – a slave, a beggar, a leper – who’s available, once her husband is out of the house. Her husband’s honor is perpetually in pawn to an explosively sexual woman, who is perpetually looking for her chance to dishonor him with degraded men.
The Muslim male’s fear of unchecked female sexuality is managed through legal as well as clinical means. Clinically, there is the widespread practice of clitoroidectomy, which in effect surgically removes the orgasmic female “organ.” And on the legal side we see the insistence, on the part of immigrant Muslim males, for host countries to allow the practice of Sharia law – the laws which for the most part limit female rights and freedoms, particularly in the sexual domain. The Muslim males want to enjoy their freedom from the restraints of the medieval societies that they have left, but they want to continue imposing – now in the free society – those same restrictions on their wives.
When these measures fail, there are, of course, honor killings.
On a larger scale, there is radical Islam’s ambition to do away with Israel, that nest of liberated women in the heart of the Umma, and to impose the Caliphate on the non-Islamic world. The Muslim fears modernization because it leads inevitably to female liberation – including sexual liberation, and they have gone to war against that threat. Islam is the world’s fastest growing religion – probably because so many infidels share the Muslim’s fear of the sexually liberated woman.
For me, this question remains: why are Muslim males so intimidated by the full sexual response of the female? Does it represent the retaliatory rage of their oppressed women? Does it represent the bursting forth of their deeply hidden and shame-generating female identifications? (perhaps the suicide bomber’s fascination with death-dealing explosions reflects the Muslim male’s fear of and fascination with explosive female sexuality?).
Perhaps our Psychoanalysts, Drs. Kobrin, Sennels and Lachkar, may have some answers.
Sennels: Though I would prefer to use the term narcissistic rage (instead of psychotic rage) I completely agree with Jamie. The repression and conscious ignoring of female sexuality in the Muslim world has a very simple and profound reason: Muslim men find it hard to handle the fact that women’s sexuality is far superior to the men’s. Most women can make love for longer time than men and many women can continue the sexual act after having orgasm – some can even have more than one orgasm during sex.
The question is: Why are Muslim men so vulnerable? How did Muslim men end up on such a fragile pedestal? The answer is that Islam and Muslim culture depends on male aggression and needs to suppress female sensitivity. The reason for this is that this culture is aiming on conquering and domination. In such a culture, female softness and empathy would be distracting and a hurdle. In such a culture, men are simply worth more than women. This is the reason that Muslim boys are treated as kings from birth and therefore develop a fragile glass-like personality that is unable to handle defeat, inferiority and criticism.
I am sure that Dr. Kobrin and Dr. Gutmann are right about Israel: It is an unwelcome showcase in the Middle East that risks tempting the area’s Muslim women by promoting gender equality, human rights and freedom. This of course provokes the insecure Muslim men and contributes to their hate and wish for destruction of Israel and Western civilization in general. The hate of women is in this way is very closely connected with Islam’s wish for destruction of the free world.
Dr. Lachkar has a very interesting point: Muslim women – and their husbands – are in no doubt in a deep dilemma during the sexual act. On the one side the man wants the woman to display enjoyment to excite him and to confirm his abilities as a lover. On the other hand, she is expected not to enjoy it too much… How can love grow in such a garden? How can a culture bring happiness to people when it does not allow the women to be happy and does not allow the men to rejoice in women’s happiness? Islam does not care about such questions: As everybody who studies the Quran knows, love and happiness are not the goals of Islam.
Kobrin: Jamie, you make the observation of targeting the infidel. I would stress that within this mindset, the other is the female. It doesn’t matter if you are male and other, you are still the female and a threat. The thinking is very simplistic because of the splitting – male vs. other = i.e. female. The splitting compensates for the inability to integrate self as a whole person and separate from one’s mother psychologically. Everything gets split off and projected outwards but nothing is really resolved.
But why? Because the male identity is so confused due to not being permitted to separate from the female who has no power. The male baby is misused by the mother as her narcissistic source of power. This in turn strips the male baby of ever feeling safe to trust, because he is so bound up in his mother’s identity. The unhealthy dependency feeds into the erotics of Arab Muslim culture and other shame-honor cultures.
They are not only just confused, they do not have a sense of their own healthy empowerment. If they did, they would not attack and destroy the female. I ascribe to what Dr. Gutmann says about the suicide bomber when he writes:
“Does it represent the bursting forth of their deeply hidden and shame-generating female identifications? (perhaps the suicide bomber’s fascination with death-dealing explosions reflects the Muslim male’s fear of and fascination with explosive female sexuality?)”
I would add that this explosiveness is also entwined with the “explosiveness” and bloody nature of birth, hence life. Its opposite is death.
I won’t quibble so much with Dr. Sennels about narcissistic rage. To me there is always a hidden component of the psychotic because of this significant distortion about the female. A well encapsulated psychosis occurs in borderline and narcissistic pathology.
Dr. Lachkar raises the broader issue of human rights violations in the Middle East. This is key because the violations are tinged with the abuse of the female. We may surmise that this public behavior is extremely revealing because they have externalized rageful behavior against the other. We can hazard the guess that the public persona is emblematic of the private given the nature of cruelty. Most of life is psychosexual in nature though many would probably deny that because it arouses too much in them and that is scary as it makes them feel “out of control.”
The unspoken problem of not being able to pleasure women is really one of sadomasochism. Pain is confused with pleasure. What arouses one sexually is learned early in life so if as Dr. Sennels says that this is a culture hostile to pleasure, that means that it is going to be very difficult to undo the sadomasochism of arousal. I would even suggest that this sadomasochism which infuses Arab Muslim culture is very attractive to those on the left in the West as voyeurs. However, this is probably a subject for another symposium.
Lachkar: I remember attending a seminar about terrorism in the Middle East and during the question and answer period I mustered up the courage and blurted out a comment about how I felt the entire conflict to be linked to the role of women and their persecutors. The reaction was not only negative but they accused me of being rather “simplistic.” After reviewing the comments of my colleagues in this symposium, I might take this view a step further, and paraphrase the well known phrase: “Drive the Jews into the Sea” as a replacement to “Drive the Women into the Sea!” This is in accordance with Dr. Kobrin’s dramatic view of free Israeli neighboring women cavorting around in skimpy bikinis!
Dr. Gutmann also offers justification, first when he states, ”The Muslim fears that modernization leads inevitably to female liberation,” and second his reference to clitoridectomy, the process which surgically removes the orgasmic female organ of pleasure. Nonie Darwish, dramatically states how drastic and traumatic this is, and how the effort to reduce female orgasmic pleasure is in part to impose Sharia law throughout the world. Dr. Sennels also asks: why are men so vulnerable and agrees with Jamie that when it comes to sex, women are far more powerful and superior on several realms. This is a reality that the Muslim male cannot tolerate. Vulnerability has always meant something negative to the Muslim male, and he interprets it with weakness, impotence and smallness. Ironically, in clinical practice, to achieve vulnerability is the goal, especially with male abusers who think being a bully is a sign of strength and masculinity. So it makes sense for insecure men to destroy the power of the women and to diminish them into victims. In this way, fragile men think they are getting rid of the “weak” parts of themselves that they cannot tolerate. In psychoanalytic terms, this is referred to as projective identification.
Dr. Kobrin was on the verge of quibbling Dr. Sennels about narcissistic rage. Since she didn’t, I would like to take on that challenge. I do not see anything narcissistic with the collective psyche of the terrorist, In fact, I would go so far as to say they share a more collective borderline disorder — of even a psychotic one. Narcissists use women as self objects, women who empower their grandiose omnipotent self. A self object is respected. For example, Mrs. Milosevic was an empowering self mirroring object for her husband. She gave him the okay to murder and slaughter thousands of Albanians. The Muslim male cannot make use of a powerful women as a self object because his culture and his forefather have already diminished her existence. Second, narcissistic rage takes on an entirely different shape. The narcissist, when personally injured, will withdraw and go into isolation. The borderline, on the other hand, when injured, will spend the rest of his life retaliating, revenging and getting even. “We will not stop until we have destroyed every infidel through bombing, honor killings or whatever it takes.”
Will Smith in The Strong Horse: Power, Politics and The Clash of Arab Civilizations (2010) reinforces the two of the most perverse ways that the woman is viewed as powerful. First, her womb used as a weapon: “The womb of the Arab woman is her strongest weapon.” Secondly, the veil used as a protection or shield, not to guard against man’s lustful impulses, but rather to be used for her own protection. In other words, it is her choice to wear the veil as opposed to it being an object thrust upon her (Smith, 2010).
To conclude, I would like to end with a quote from Golda Meir, “We will have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us.”
Again thank you Jamie and everyone on this panel for your insightful contributions, and even where we differ, I hope this psychodynamic view of the conflict will open a new vision and way of thinking.
Gutmann: This time around I’m getting compelling answers to the question I raised in my first post, namely: why the excessive fear of female sexuality among Arab men?
Dr. Sennels suggests the possibility of “Vagina Envy” among Arab men, who feel shamed by a female sexual response stronger than their own. Dr. Kobrin refers to what men fear as a toxic identification with the mother, while Dr. Lachkar explores the ways in which Arab men use women as dumping grounds for denied aspects of the self. These insights pretty much cover the waterfront. However, in addition to these possibilities, Arab male homosexuality – hinted at by Drs Kobrin and Lachkar – should also be considered.
Phyllis Chesler recently reminded us that homosexuality and pedophilia are deeply established Arab traits, and clinical experience teaches us that, when the homosexual drive comes under repression, it can lead to precisely the kinds of paranoid fears of the sexual woman that we have been considering. As we know, the repressed homosexual identifies with the female sexual role, and, like the woman, wants to be penetrated by men. This wish, in the mind of the repressed homosexual, is intolerable, and is projected on to the spouse or girl friend: it is she who desires sex with other men. This projection leads to an associated fear of the female sexual response: the stronger that drive, the more likely that the woman will seek multiple partners to satisfy it. As a consequence, the female sexual appetite must be surgically blunted, and the sexually mature, unappeasable woman must be kept in purdah (out of sight), away from temptation.
When these measures fail, there is always the venerable practice of Honor Killing to fall back on.
Strange that the world is wracked by terrorism, women are kept in bondage, and we face nuclear war because of the quirks in the Islamic unconscious that this panel has explored. Psychoanalysis has gone out of fashion, but its methods and insights are needed more than ever.
FP: Dr. Nancy Kobrin, Dr. Joanie Lachkar, Dr. David Gutmann and Dr. Nicolai Sennels, thank you for joining Frontpage Symposium.
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Editor’s note: To get the whole story behind why Islam demonizes and disallows female sexual pleasure, read Jamie Glazov’s most recent book, “ United in Hate: The Left’s Romance With Tyranny and Terror.”





Why do so many well educated nonmuslims refuse to believe this and for how long will they go on by refusing this?
They are blinded by the political-correctness-paradigme.
Distortions of reality based on dogma takes a long time to break down.
So do not hold your breath, my friend….
Islam is Medievalism in the modern world……medieval man was emotionally immature , hysterical , fanatical and insecure , just like moslems are today . Islam is a whole civilation trapped in a timewarp , a whole group of people suffering ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT , a frozen religion of the desert that has failed to ''grow up '' and mature….christianities malignant and deviant little brother ! Moslem males are rather like teenage juvenile delinquents trying to get ''layed''….they're just pathetic !
Well-said
A very apt observation.
As a Muslim I fully agree,
an interesting discussion, as a western male, coming from a miltary western culture, the u.s. marine corps, i have great difficulty understanding the muslim mind you all describe, but then even as a warrior i did not share the fear of a woman's sexuality as does the muslim. i enjoy it as a compliment to my own efforts to please her, and a happy, satisfied woman makes me happy, as i am certain i would not, could not be in the muslim culture. i long ago left the military life, though not its ideals and am looking forward to my 44th year with a wife whom i love, respect and honour as a person and a woman, and receiving the same in return from her, and i can only feel pity for the muslim male who cannot enjoy the same because of the blinders put on him by his culture/ religion which you justifiably describe as sick.
"semper fidelis"
hmm…u r completely wrong about this, off course i know that there are supposed 'muslims' out there who think they can mistreat their womenfolk…but our religion states that it is the duty of a man to treat his wife with care and respect and to not ill treat her…our beloved prophet pbuh treated his wives with such care and respect and they in turn loved and respected him…so don't blame islam, blame the 'so-called' muslims who cannot even understand their religion properly. in every community there are bad people…same goes for the muslim community…there are people who don't follow the laws and commit crimes such as rape, theft in every social community, so please understand that there are also people who do not obey the laws of islam, and twist the verses of the quran to suit their own desires/perceptions…for eg if my husband ill treated me like that…i would first talk to him and make him understand, if he continues to abuse me i would get a divorce…the end.
On Sept 11, 2001 as I was walking home to the Bronx, I had the thought that the Muslims were really knocking down 2 large phallic symbols.
Having known about genital mutilation of women, and their treatment of women. The conclusions made by this panel is obvious to anyone who really thought about it.
You are not the only one to make this connection.
I have long thought that the 72 virgin award due any jihadists in paradise (provided he die while killing, Q: 9-111) is only superficially related to the virgin's "vaginal tightness" and that these virgins are really intended to award the dead jihadists with objects of perpetual rape.
Clitoridectomies are performed by women on girls, often at grandma's insistence. How does this equal male domination and abuse? The Muslim households I've known have been run by the old women. In many cases, even those where the man has a western education and all the trappings of modern western life, still, his mother picks his bride, and his mother calls the family shots, The male offspring seem to remain coddled, self-indulgent little boys long after adulthood., with few responsibilities to the family other than making money. Their free time is spent in the company of other males, just like in 6th grade, The rage? The honor killings? The murderous/suicidal culture? All symptoms, I think, of impotent immaturity, and I lay that at the feet of the women who never gave their sons the skills to survive in a complicated world. And their daughters, who grow up to be victimized and abused? They raise children to go along with the same abusive system, and perpetuate the misery, just as frat boys who hated being hazed, continue the ugly tradition. Then they become mothers-in-law, ruling the family roost. Don't think, then, that women aren't entirely complicit in that culture's social pathology.
It makes any woman born in an Islamic country, who leaves the culture behind even more remarkable.
It's called raising a family without a father. When you have multiple wives you are NOT raising your children. The mothers are on their own. The American prison system shows the results of this. Per capita "African" Americans are off the charts in comparison to other races. But….take out the factor of fatherless homes and the numbers are comparable in all races. (I think I just read that 80% of all people locked up long term or for violent crimes come from fatherless homes.) This is my guess is the root of the problem with young Muslim men with criminal mentalities. God (the God of the Christian Bible has it right.) Everyone else is wrong. One man one woman, Everything else is dysfunction and leads to death.
As for the idea that women are naturally kinder, gentler, more fully-actualized, in touch with their inner souls, and all that- That's bunk. I was in junior high school once, and girls are vicious. I was in a college sorority once. They're not only vicious, but petty enforcers of a rigid pecking order. I worked in an office full of older women. They didn't outgrow that stuff, and on top of that, felt compelled to rehash at tedious length all the little dramas in their lives, recounting word-for-word squabbles. On company time. At least the men I worked with, once they got the morning sports report and crude sexual double entendres over with, were wlling to get to work.
Excellent post. Be clear, extremists have not hijacked Islam, Islam hacked Muslims and they have no way out in their brain washed minds. I run a site completely dedicated to Sharia law and the cult called Islam. Come visit at http://www.dangersofallah.com Enjoy
Muslim women are as guilty as Muslim men for their awful lives. So much for worrying
about collatteral damage. It seems they as a society are going to be a continuous
cancer in the family of man on Earth. This is not one or two households, we are
talking about over a billion people, draconian actions ring any bells, something
so large and powerful that they must change, who in our leadership is capable of
any thought or act comprable to the problem…………..Think second coming……..William
Dr. Nancy Kobrin refers to Sadomasochism as if it were a sickness, which I am afraid is unacceptable for those people who enjoy a BDSM (Bondage-Domination-Sado-Masochism) lifestyle. This is a shame because what you have produced here is an extremely important collection of views and we hope to rely on their credibility. BDSM players may experience consensual erotic pleasure from receiving and/or inflicting pain, but that is not what Nancy is talking about. I hope she can find another word.
The news of the death of Psychoanalysis are premature and greatly exagerated. Great post and conference, it does explain many things; unfortunely our presnt "PC" government and the mainstream media are NOT willing to admit and understand
Sexual dysfunction and distortion take many forms. As the panel details, clearly some have more serious negative side-effects than others. Some would surely ask, "So what's definitive? Read the first two chapters of FLAME OF YAHWEH – Sexuality in the Old Testament (Davidson) and the current global insanity will quickly all make sense. Islam is a distorted caricature of both Judaism and Christianity. Is it any wonder that their understanding of sexuality would suffer the same fate?
So the root cause of all jihad and shariah is sexual rage. Reminds us of the Freudians and Marxists in the English department back in the dark ages of our youth, with their one-size-fits-all explications of the "texts." Oh, well. SImple ideas for simple folk, we guess. How this pink satin brand of reductionism passes for conservatism is a little hazy, although some of the former radicals at Frontpage seem to have found a way to bend resistance back upon itself until it appears to be something it is not.
It's never too late to stamp out filthy evil. Never too late. We all, bar none will help the Israelis… we have to ….for our sakes and for the good of this planet. It is said that blood always flows where muslims go……soon blood will flow where muslims have gone but it will be muslim blood that will flow. Non-muslim Good blood will also flow in the fight back by evil but that is expected. We live in interesting times. Get ready boys and girls ….our grand-children will thank us BUT FIRST we have some sincere work to do even if it repulses us. SUCH IS LIFE. AFTER DARK COMES LIGHT AND ONLY AFTER islam IS SMASHED WILL COME PEACE FOR OUR CHILDREN'S CHILDREN. We have to make this happen.
Best video I have ever seen on the cowardice of of appeasing Islam. See it for yourself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9dXGJ2rYdA
Best video I have ever seen on the cowardice of of appeasing Islam by allowing a Grand Mosque at ground zero. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjS0Novt3X4&fe…
I was married to a muslim man. While he expected sex on command, in ten years of married life, he never gave me on night of sexual satisfaction. Sex was something that happened at his convenience, when he wanted it, and I had no say on what was being done to my body. I wasted my 20s with this man, I will not waste my 30s with another loser. I divorced him and will NEVER sleep with a muslim man again. And I will make sure my daughter does not make the mistake of marrying a muslim. The sexual rights of a muslim woman exist on dusty papers somewhere and are only discussed when nonmuslims ask muslim men about the sexual rights of women; they are rarely discussed in a muslim family and it is shameful for a muslim woman to even talk about sex. I feel angry that I got suckered into a relationship with a man who did not think of women as human beings. he was very passive aggressive so it took me a long time to understand his deeply misogynist nature. Stay away from these losers, they wouldnt know how to satisfy a woman if u hit them on the head with the kamasutra. And I am a muslim myself, except I will never let a muslim man touch my body again.
would like to now where your husband came from im going out with a muslin man and getting married soon,but i agree with some what you say,but surely there are good muslins and bad just the same in other reliegions it depends on the place they come from and how they grew up…. im marrying a morrocain young man. we have a large age gap yet we are perfect together..anyone else got married to a morrocain ?
Dear Muslim Woman:
If you would never let a muslim man touch your body, why are you still muslim yourself? I mean, can you imagine anyone (woman or man) saying, "I'm a communist but will never marry anyone who's also a communist?"
HEEEEE , U PEOPLE MAKE ME LAUGH TO MY SELF HAAAAAA
MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE BEEN MARRIED OVER TEN YEARS , HE'S MUSLIM AND U KNOW WHAT HE MORE THEN MAKES ME HAPPY IN THAT DEPARTMENT . ONLY PROBLEM IS HE IS VERY HUNGRY HAAAAAAA. AND WHY SHOULD U TALK ABOUT SEX TO STRANGERS LADY . BUT WITH MY HUSBAND THE SUBJECT IS OPEN . I THINK U JUST GOT A MAN WHO IS LIKE ANY MAN THAT ISNT CONCIDERATE .
at last some one talking sence…sex should be kept in the bedroom with husband and of course he 's good to you its because he love's you and hope you both continue to be happy …so happy for you xx what part of the world does he come from,mine's morroco and good muslin
This story made absolutely no sense to me. There is good men and bad men in every religion. Should I start a blog not to marry a white man, or black man and so on. I have been happily married to a moroccan man for 8 years. We have two beautiful children together and I have embraced islam just as much as he has learned about christianity! As far as the sex…you are not disgusted that he is a muslim, you are disgusted he did not satisfy you sexually. But your fault for opening your legs to him. My husband treats me like a queen and my family loves him. He is not street, well educated and loves life. I guess we will be reading another story from you how another man didnt satisfy you!
well done in what you say…sex should be between the two who want it not to be talked about out of the home,and you should now the man you want to marry and love him from your heart. nothing to do with sex……what nothing else to talk about …sex sex ….no no thats privete
what you said so true i agree with everything you say….im marrying a moroccan and he is muslin im trying to become one to .and find morroccan men are good men they listen to what you have to say.try to please and as for sex thats not all to life,im happy with my man not for sex side of it. love to now which part of morroco yours come from and why they seem to have such a bad name ..like people say they only want money or passport why are people so cruel just give them a chance .
well done who wrote that above <3 im going out with a morroan man who is 40 years younger than me,we have been seeing each other for two years and i spent lotts off my time with him in morroco and he has a loveley family which made me very welcome.we plane to marry but im waiting for my devorce which is taking a long long time due to not having contact for 10years so dont no were he his.we talk on phone twice a day and online sometimes too.he is kind and stronge muslin which im now trying to be.will it work for me,i love this azeddine very much but will they allow marrage with age gap ??any help or advise would be glad off .
im from uk gloucestershire and hope to marry my young morrocan boyfriend and hope he can then live in uk with me.can anyone give me advise.we have a large age gap but it doesnt seem to bother him ,me ,or his family.we talk every day and i go to his city as much as i can.i trust him and love is family too.i have heard you have to have a medical befor you marry any one now about this and what ,,,,its about.wish i were rich but im not.because its hard to get money to go out to see him,but love him so much.
im going out with a muslin young man ,i love him and hope he loves me …yes they do believe in there allah desides on things but they are diferant in the bedroom . true little more what happens behind the bedroom door stays there,and not so much loveing but sex its between to grown up's and you should be together for comfort and loving in other ways not just sex.they have some good believes.and so nice in so many other ways ,there familys are so close and men stay with men women with women whats bad about that.? he comes from morroco ,