There are numerous other indications that Rauf is not the sterling example of Islamic moderation that the State Department assumes him to be. He has refused to denounce Hamas. He has lied about his commitment to religious dialogue, telling American non-Muslims that the Ground Zero mega-mosque will be dedicated to dialogue and harmony among people of different faiths, while telling the Arabic media that he doesn’t believe in religious dialogue. He has lied about whether the Islamic center planned for the Ground Zero site will contain a mosque or not, calling it a prayer room without bothering to mention that it will be a place for Islamic prayer, not Jewish or Christian or Hindu or Buddhist prayer.
After the Fort Hood jihad massacre, Rauf made the patently dishonest claim that the shootings were “against the laws of Islam.” None of the mainstream media reporters who dutifully relayed his words to the public bothered to ask him what he meant when Fort Hood shooter Nidal Hasan’s writings came to light, explaining (with copious references to the Qur’an) the Islamic religious obligation to wage war against infidels. Rauf, as a leading American “moderate,” was in an excellent position at that time to explain in the American public square exactly how his version of Islam differed from Hasan’s, so as to allay the legitimate concerns of non-Muslims and emphasize to Muslims in America how and why they should be unreservedly patriotic Americans. He passed up the opportunity.
Belying his reputation as a “moderate,” Rauf is involved with a group that helped fund the jihad flotilla against Israel. He has also lied about whether or not the project is getting foreign funding, telling the American media that the Ground Zero mosque would be funded solely by contributions from Muslims in the United States: “We hope to raise it from a combination of gifts from the local Muslim community and perhaps from some combination of bonds or something like that.” But then he told the Arabic-language Asharq Al-Awsat that “the Islamic center will be financed through contributions from Muslims in the US, as well as by donations from Arab and Islamic countries.”
Rauf has blamed the West, rather than Islamic jihadists, for jihad terrorism, and he has done so more than once. He has said, according to Australia’s Sun-Herald, that “the US and the West must acknowledge the harm they have done to Muslims before terrorism can end.” He has also asserted that “Western active involvement in shaping the internal affairs of Islamic societies have contributed to the creation of terrorism done in the name of Islam.” About the role that the jihad doctrine has played in inspiring jihad terrorists, he has been notably silent. After the 9/11 jihad terror attacks, he said that American foreign policy had to be held as an “accessory” to those attacks.
Many years have passed, of course, since he said that. But now that he is an official emissary of the U.S. State Department, don’t the American people deserve at least some answers as to Rauf’s questionable statements and activities? Unfortunately, in increasingly elitist Washington, it is unlikely that the questions themselves will even be acknowledged.
Sending this Islamic terrorist supporter on an American taxpayer trip, "representing" America, is more proof that Obama hates America:
"Obama Admits He Is A Muslim:"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY&fe…
If you read the article you will see that the Bush government sent this guy on more trips than Obama has ever done.
Ya, Bush wasnt that bright when it comes to islam either. He was just niave enough to beleive the lies, or as some would say, the oil money helps anyone believe the lies. It would reallly be nice if we could drill for our own oil then we could just pull out of the middle east and they could just duke it out with each other. Oh ya, and they could send all their kids to their own "universities" …… snicker.
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John, do you correct one wrong government action with another wrong government action? That seems stupid to me.
I read the commentary. And, I read about Bush's naive mistake on having this Islamic cleric represent America. But my comment focused on Obama. Bush is a past president, if you aren't aware, yet. I like to think that most people realize that it is 2010.
I am so sick and tired of Obama's actions. Like Newt Gingrich said, He's like a teenager with a credit card. Just saw on the news that another Muslim man has killed
3 black men in sporadic places. He also stabbed a friend to death before he came to the US. I e-mailed Hillary Clinton and the Supreme Court on their websites expressing my feelings and asking questions. Got an automated response from the Supreme Court but not Hillary. Somehow we need to stop the building of the Ground Zero Mosque.
I wonder if a Baptist minister or a Catholic bishop was sent on a junket to Europe…would the leftists howl about "seperation of Church and State"??? I simply do not understand what is going on in our country anymore….the border and illegal immigration, the huge deficits and money wasting, the bankruptices, foreclosures, high unemployment…….the tension level in the country seems to be building….or am I wrong?
Yes. Although we claim to be a Christian nation, in fact we turned our backs on God long ago. People who do read the Bible realize we are in the last minutes of the Last Days per Jesus' words – all of the Bible's prophecies have come true by the way. Wars, natural catastrophes, pestilences, evil abounding, it's all here. America murders millions of babies, has legalized sodomite marriage, euthanasia and marijuana, we're the biggest exporters of pornography and football stadiums are full while churches are empty. If a Christian pastor was sent overseas to represent us, all hell would literally break loose in protest but there will be hardly a peep over this evil muslim. God is preparing to pour His wrath on an unrepentant world. I pray anyone reading this has repented of their sins and asked Jesus to be their Savior because it will soon be too late.
The Kingdom of Saudia.
Without its oil, the Kingdom of Saudia would have been one of the poorest countries of the world. The enormous flood of money from the export of oil makes Saudia a rich country. Instead of investing its wealth in the infrastructure of the country and developing basic agricultur and industry, the money is spent on promoting the Wahhabi doctrine of terrorism and hate to the entire non Muslim world as described at :
http://israelagainstterror.blogspot.com/2007/12/s…
Its going to be funny to watch when the oil runs out, then what. Sand as far as the eye can see. What a shame, it could have been good for them, but instead they invest in this silly "religion". Time will tell if alah comes to their aid.
Indeed, and because the global jihad is perpetually permanent, unless we act to confiscate their oil wealth and oil assets, not only of Saudi Arabia but also of all oil rich Muslim states, they will forever use that oil wealth to finance and fund jihad against us. In fact, thanks to the money weapon, they already own lock, stock, and barrel our State Department.
You are so right Robert. The sad thing is that most Americans do not realize how much influence the Saudi Regime has world wide on promoting their astute brand of Islam. The Saudis are playing the US like a game. They (pump the money we give them for oil) into building mosques, and Islamic publications, and also into hate doctrine. Then, the extremist take it out on the West. Its a vicious cycle that this government doesn't get.
Once the oil gone and they will no longer have this bargaining chip to bring to the table, how much influence do you think these states and countries like Saudi Arabia that fund and support committees, panels, activities, organisations and 5th columnist will have? At the moment they have a huge amount of leverage and far too many dhimmified followers tying to appease and cash in on the money thrown around. So in a way it's a race. Either the oil runs out or the muslim agenda comes to conclusion, one way or another.
The State Department as though a 4th branch of power (more lasting and persistent than the other three) has always been pro-Islamic (and pro-Soviet) under all administrations. The now sitting impostor is indeed de-facto Moslem apologist. However his predecessor and enabler "el presidente" Bush – the "religion of peace Bush", was the best friend of Saudis as well.
We are betrayed at all levels. Wake up America! Too begin with, by no means allow that damned mosque next to our most terrible graveyard. Flood that traitor Bloomberg with your Faxes and letters like this one:
http://www.resonoelusono.com/Bloomberg2.htm
I'm a Brit. I'm 'christian' but don't go to church. That is my choice. Am I being paranoid or does anbyone else get the feeling that there is going to be a cataclysmic conflict between the Islamis ideology and that of the west? Why do we have to abide by the laws and regulations in islamic countries while they can do what they want in ours? Could I build a church in an Islamic country? Wake up folks because one day soon the conflict is happening.
As also a Brit I agree.
I can see a situation where one minor incident or something a politician will say and our Pakistani's will ignite with self righteous fury. And thus, like last time, the burning will begin.
Retaliation will ensue and one huge conflagration will result.
Its in the air, almost palbable. All talk in hushed voices fearing the branding of racism, 'you can't say anything these days' being a common complaint.
We've never been attacked by this pernicious mind and speech control before and I can't see us submitting for too long now.
The pot has reached boiling point.
Dude… We all need to grow some stones. We need to stop cringing in horror when some clown starts with the name calling. If someone wants to start calling us racists, bigots,islamophobes, so be it. These are only words. This has nothing to do with race. If not wanting to be enslaved to a murderous, corrupt, vile, ideology gets you a title, so be it. There are somethings worse than even death and slavery is one of them.
… a cataclysmic conflict between the Islamis ideology and that of the west?
Yes!!! http://www.ski.org/gofen/Imminent.htm
And you should rather go to church, and make there a revolt. Prove by your actions that Britain is a Christian – and only Christian nation. And Islam just does not belong there. To rid of Islam completely, to expel all those dirty night shirt wearers back to their Crapistans is the only way to you survival.
The evidence against Feisal Abdul Rauf continues to mount. Why is it always the non-Christians who demand that Christians turn the other cheek? Why is it always the murderers who demand mercy? Here we have a society–notice I don’t say a religion–where the fanatical populace encourages it's even more fanatical young men and women to come and kill us. We're just supposed to roll over and take it, because we are supposed to be a free country.
Yes, religious tolerance is an important American right, but this Mosque, this tower of Babylon, is the second arrow piercing America's heart from the quiver of a merciless foe.
OBAMA is as much of a Christian as I'm the Pope and to this day, I won't be able to fathom what made the American people to fall so low as to elect a "socialist" Muslim
demagogue for President plus the fact that his congressional record, other than to say HERE ! and yes, to oppose McCain's proposal to curb Fannie and Freddie's abuses because he was on the take from both…
However, a Jew woldn't stand a Chinaman's chance, right ???
So now we are on the "CHANGE" the media and left mermaid songs made fools galore to believe, which is nothing more than a classic jump off the frying pan into the fire and yes, the very First Lady that used to CURSE THE USA is now vacationing in Spain at our
expense, while the Democrat Congress applauds…
What a shame November is not tomorrow…!!!
SINCE MY COMMENT MUST BE APPROVED BEFORE IT IS PUBLISHED, MAY I ASK WHETHER IT IS NOT "POLITICALLY CORRECT" ENOUGH FOR YOU ??
YOU DON'T BELIEVE EITHER THAT EVERY PRACTICING MUSLIM IS A TERRORIST, AS THIS IS WHAT IS BEING HAMMERED INTO HIS HEAD FROM CRADDLE TO GRAVE AND IT IS WHAT HIS RELIGION EXPECTS FROM HIM….
WELL, BURGER KING TO YOU….
I am truly offended that the State Dept/Gov of the US is supporting one religion over another…
If there are any moon god worshipping, pedophile emulating muslims here (and from what I've been led to understand would be all of them), I have a question……
A.) I've heard the word of the koran, the terror guide, and I reject it as false and disgusting.
B.) I refuse to pay your jizzy tax.
C.) What next?
According to Islamic doctrine jihad is eternal and is incumbent upon all Muslims. Jihad is not to cease until the last kafir has submitted. As long as there are kafirs there will be jihad.
Soon after 9/11 Islam started attacking the kafirs by calling them Crusaders. Now the Crusades are portrayed as evil by Islam. But why did the Crusaders go to an Arabian, Muslim Middle East? They went to help the Christians who cried out for help. That's how it all started. Then of course, as Mohammed did after his eighth attack succeeded against the Meccans, they accused mohammed of violating all the normal rules of war by attacking during ramadan. The Quran replied and said what the meccans, the kafirs had done was far more serious that they're being killed. But the muslims insisted that they were the real victims. Just like all the other Jihadist assaults by Islam. Islam, and muslims will say that they're the real victims.
The Quran lays out the vision of Jihad, the Sira lays out the grand strategy of Jihad, and the hadith lay out all the small details of Jihad, the tactics, and all these are modeled on the life of mohammed, because he's considered the perfect man, and the perfect jihadist.
The importance is that until Mohammed turned to Jihad, mohammed was totally unsuccessful, and with Jihad, was a conquering success. The hadith, is over 98% concerned with killing kafirs, not 'inner struggle'. The duality here as in all of Islam, shows the crux of the instigation of and for Jihad.
Thomas Jefferson and John Adams, then serving as American ambassadors to France and Britain, respectively, met in 1786 in London with the Tripolitan Ambassador to Britain, Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja. These future American presidents were attempting to negotiate a peace treaty which would spare the United States the ravages of jihad piracy—murder, enslavement (with ransoming for redemption), and expropriation of valuable commercial assets—emanating from the Barbary states (modern Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, and Libya, known collectively in Arabic as the Maghrib). During their discussions, they questioned Ambassador Adja as to the source of the unprovoked animus directed at the nascent United States republic. Jefferson and Adams, in their subsequent report to the Continental Congress, recorded the Tripolitan Ambassador’s justification:
… that it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise."
Thus, it was that infidels are 'sinner's that is the prime cause for the attack upon others, that it is written in the laws (Sharia) of Mohammed, written in his Quran, and that all nations that don't acknowledge their-Islam's- authority, had caused Islam to attack them as it was Islam's 'right' and 'duty' to make war upon them.
Jihad doesn't need ANY external cause, or source for it to be instigated by muslims, and Islam. The excuses, for attacks are never followed by something like remorse, only excuses. Following 9/11, there was no mass show of remorse by Islam or marches of muslims asking to express sorrow at the horror and slaughters done by Islam. That is because there is NO show of remorse by Mohammed, for any of his Jihad, for his slaughters of kafirs, infidels, others, only his eternal commitment to submit and conquer all of them, forever.
For such as Rauf, to opine that the US shared some responsibility for 9/11, is classic muslim thinking and for the State Dept to not so blindly use him, as an example of 'moderation' is a display of what is now a 90 yr or so history of western complicity in the depredations of Islam, as the State dept has demonstrated once again. Thinking that it could accommodate that large amorphous population has not changed. Denial of human rights and values to keep the crocodile from eating more of our culture and civilization is the self defeating action such as accomplished by having such as Rauf, going over to show the muslims how sharia is like our values, and then wondering why they continue to demand that we change and enforce sharia laws upon non-muslims.
Thank you for the well stated synopsis using unrevised history to refute the lies with simple if ugly truth.
"Rauf, going over to show the muslims how sharia is like our values"—having at least some knowledge to the deception which inheres in Moslems, I would say, rather, the greatest likelihood is that, Rauf is not going over to tell his fellow Moslems how like our own values, sharia is; rather is he over there to laugh and party with them in celebration of how foolish and simplistic are the citizens of the USA, . . . and paying for his vacation, . . .
lts seriously disgusting – and this from a government that presides over a June 40 billion dollar trade deficit. This government is utterly useless. This article in Bloomberg today says it all – and Bloomberg is a mainstream publication. Obama is useless. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-08-11/u-s-is-b…
If I tried to post such a long reply it would have to be chopped up, the thought
train would be lost and not resemble nor reflect my mind………?
Rauf has to go as Obama is partying and Michelle is on vacation and Rauf makes
us look good on the outside for the compromised State Department while being
rotten on the inside. Sham is as sham does, and is this a scam wow?
William
This should not be a surprise. You have a clandestine Muslim Marxist in the Whitehouse and a post menopausal closet communist hag as Secretary of State who really wants to be President and could care less about the country as long she eliminates him in 2012.
Check out the cover of Time Magazine this week….it's a very shocking and disturbing picture of a poor Afghan woman who had her nose removed by the practitioners of this horror (I cannot call it a religion any longer) on planet earth. SHe is the poster child of the brutality, intolerance, terror and miserable medieval hate and ignorance behind this scourge. How Mayor Bloomberg can approve a gigantic towering mosque at Ground Zero…I will never understand. Where are the tough men in our society who will say no to this insult to the 3000 dead? FDNY your sacrifices will not be forgotten. Sign the petition. Write to Mayor Bloomberg and stop the madness. We must stand for AMerica, our Constitution, our freedoms, traditions and liberty……..otherwise……
The US State Department should be renamed the Department of Useful Idiots and I’m not kidding. This is the same State Department that elevated a Muslim infiltrator, Zalmay Khalilzad, to the position of Ambassador of first Afghanistan and then subsequently of Iraq, and then it was Ambassador Khalilzad that made sure that Sharia Law was the supreme law first of the constitution of Afghanistan, then subsequently also of the constitution of Iraq. Hence, in effect both so-called democracies that we are propping up in Afghanistan and Iraq, for all intents and purposes, in reality are Sharia states, and consequently, both Sharia states in Afghanistan and Iraq prosecute people for apostasy who leave Islam for Christianity even while we are propping them up.
Moreover, the last time I checked, the only freedom that Sharia allows is the freedom for Muslims to become more devout slaves of Allah. Sharia law, by the way, also espouses the jihad doctrine. Hence, thanks to the US State Department, which should be renamed the Department of Useful Idiots, both countries, Afghanistan and Iraq, are in reality our mortal enemies. Thus, thanks to the Department of Useful Idiots our involvements in both Afghanistan and Iraq couldn’t have been anymore counterproductive. With friends like this, who needs enemies?
AMERICA will not stand up and fight this outrage of a mosque at 9/11 site
because it needs to be the churches to stir up the fight and the MAINLINE
DENOMINATION churches are all full of leftists preaching all religions are
the same….one as good as another. We have been INFILTRATED at every
level…
In the American Revolution, the pastors of churches led the charge against
the British….(the black regiment)
We don't have any leaders….
the pastors all mostly all cowering in their pulpits.
Remember, the way for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
Muslims will either kill you or tax you….they are now doing BOTH to us.
It is "legalized plunder" as in Frederic Bastiat's book The Law.
People are so dumbed down from PC (cultural Marxism) in our schools
for so long….they just don't get what is going on.
We are being DESTROYED as a nation from the inside.
It has been going on for decades….the blows are more rapid now and
closer together….the end is near if America does not rise up and
fight soon…..
Can we get him to pick one of the countries he's touring for the State Department and simply stay there ?
In addition, I want to reiterate that those leading the fight against the building of the Ground Zero supremacist mega mosque are missing the boat, instead of attacking the insensitivity of building a supremacist mosque near Ground Zero, they should be protesting instead that Islam is not just a religion but also a very radical form of totalitarianism that seeks world domination, and thus is not protected by the first amendment of the constitution or any other amendment for that matter. Hence, not only should the Ground Zero supremacist mega mosque not be built, but also all mosques building in the US should be forbidden.
You yourself mentioned that he functioned in the same capacity under Bush. So you don't need to 'wonder what Obama's definition of moderate is.' Moreover, isn't it amusing how the tea baggers and the FPMer's who hate the American government are now using 'any means necessary' to get that very government to somehow stop the mosque. It's truly hilarious. Kind of like 'Government out of my Medicare'. It's amazing how little people think before they post. LOL
Think on this, you've bagged yourself again……………..William
In his ongoing efforts to provide cover for jihadist mass murderers and the ideology that drives them, Abdul Rauf claimed "In fact, in the most direct sense, Osama bin Laden is made in the USA" in a September 30, 2001 interview with Ed Bradley on "60 Minutes".
As we all know, in fact, in the most direct sense, Osama bin Laden and the majority of the jihadists who massacred 3000 defenseless civilians were made in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, the black heart of Wahhabist Islam. It is here where bin Laden was born and raised and nurtured on the xenophobic ideology that helped turn him into a psychopathic Islamist fanatic.
In fact, in the most direct sense, Feisal Abdul Rauf is an apologist for jihadist mass murderers, which puts him on the same depraved moral plane as the mass murderers themselves. To think that the State Department would send this man anywhere on its behalf – particularly after his post-9/11 interview on "60 Minutes" – is both astonishing and unacceptable.
Feisal Abdul Rauf must be some sort of double agent working for the United States. That is the only explanation I can come up with to explain the insanity of our tax dollars paying his way for this Mosque mission. I find myself coming up with preposterous reasons too explain the current farcical use of tax payers money. When does the madness stop and sensible men start making decision in our Government?
It will stop only when we vote out the present government and cleanse the
government agencies of malignant leftist subversives. November hopefully
will begin the biggest house cleaning in our history. ……………….William
Beware of Diplomatic Planes! They will be carrying the next WMD that will destroy NY, DC, LA, Miami, Seattle, Chicago, Dallas, and Houston since all have Diplomatic embassies whose Planes directly come from countries that are not searched by customs! They will coordinate these attacks. The state sponsor will also use proxy planes from other countries under the cover of "Diplomatic!"
What is going on in America is the creation of a part of the one-world-government (America, Mexico and Canada with no borders). There will be 4 areas of the world consisting of several countries in each area, which is why people are being allowed to swarm across the borders more or less unchecked apart from the protests of the public who do not realize what is happening!
This is just one piece of information on the subject of the setting up of the one-world-government!
Google ZEITGEIST for more information!
Is it possible that this is just a U.S. taxpayer paid trip to raise funds for his mosque in New York city???
NIck
The USA is over, repeat, over. Mass immigration (legal & illegal) is a tool of anti-Americans, socialists, communists, Mooooslims, etc. to weaken the USA and dumb down the American people.
We won't (can't) recover from this situation. It's over. Bottom line. Race, ethnicity, culture, language, religion all matter. The reason why the USA was the USA is because of race, ethnicity, culture, language, religion. If this land were populated with mostly Mestizos or Moooslims or Asians, etc., it would have not developed a tradition of limited constitutional government, free enterprise, individual liberty, etc. It's over.
Duh.
This is not surprising. Note, the National anthem couldn't be sung at the Lincoln Memorial.. The president is illegal. You might wonder if this Feisal Abdul Rauf was carrying some military secrets. You will remember "Sick Willie' Clinton sent missile guidance secrets to China for illegal campaign contributions. Now China has a big missile that can reach and hit our aircraft carriers 900 mills away.
On Cinco de Mayo, several boys from a California school were sent home by the Principal for wearing U.S. Flag T-shirts. Where was the ACLU?
Only two weeks ago, some young people pooped on the flag and the ACLU declared that they would protect their right to do it along with setting it on fire.
So, wearing U.S. flag, BAD! Pooping on U.S. Flag, Free speech!"
Yes, the Chinese now have a missile, paid for by us, that can sink our carriers and only our carriers since the British and French have no strategic interest in the waters near the Chinese border like the Korean Peninsula. You also have to remember that the Chinese aided the Vietcong so by making the missile, they are sending us a signal to stay away from their backyard.
But let's just suppose IT'S A FAKE being used to scare us into inaction leaving time for the Chinese to watch the collapse of North Korea which they will then invade and eventually annex. Then using the democracy they never use in their own country, they will infiltrate South Korean politics with Chinese sympathizers who will do a Hugo Chavez and impose the great Socialist ideals of dictatorship and another President for Life who will then be used to reunited the Korea's under the Chinese flag. (Okay, I'm dreaming.)
But what is not a dream, is we are paying for China's military build-up which will be used against us. Solution: Move all factories out of China and move them to our hemisphere to put Americans back to work and also in Mexico, Haiti, and Central America so they can have jobs there so they don't come here. Also, isn't it cheaper to ship goods across the Rio Grande than it is to ship goods across the Pacific and the Panama Canal to get the goods to the East Coast?
Yes, it's about ISLAM, it's about a psychological control structure—our people pretend to be worried about human life, and to the Criminals of Islam, entirely oblivious, the while, . . .
observe the obama supreme court appointments!
Look to the supreme court. Soto Major, and Kagan! The last is a m…..r and Sharia supporter. http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=188453
Its going to be a lot of work impeaching these to clean the Obama mess up.
Kagan Lies
That came when the court struck down legislation restricting partial-birth abortion, a gruesome procedure supported by Kagan that involves an abortionist partly delivering a live child, killing the child and then finishing the delivery.
She clearly does not take care of her health, either.
Soto Major
http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/the-case-agai…
The most consistent concern was that Sotomayor, although an able lawyer, was “not that smart and kind of a bully on the bench,” as one former Second Circuit clerk for another judge put it. “She has an inflated opinion of herself, and is domineering during oral arguments, but her questions aren’t penetrating and don’t get to the heart of the issue.”
If this isn't the most egregious appointment ever by this administration who knew fully well that there were issues with this apologist in chief! If this isn;t the last straw that awakens the public to who and what Obama is doing to this country, I don't know what will!
The problem with the Western world is that it does not want to learn and read Arabic.
It is a well known fact that what the Arab politicians say to the West world is different from what they say to their own. What they say to their own is what counts.
We should know better but refuse to do so.
We have a complex of superiority!