Wilders’ Trial: Win One, Lose One

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On Tuesday, as his trial resumed in Amsterdam on various charges of offending Muslims, Dutch freedom fighter Geert Wilders won one victory and suffered one defeat. This is welcome news for Wilders personally, since any acquittal moves him closer to the end of these nightmarish proceedings; however, the ominous implications of his trial in general for the freedom of speech were reinforced on the same day, and those implications could have deleterious effects far beyond the Wilders trial itself.

First, the good news: public prosecutors Birgit van Roessel and Paul Velleman noted that the statements for which he is on trial referred to Islam and the Qur’an, not to Muslims as people – although they did add in the politically correct observation that Wilders’ statements might nevertheless hurt Muslims’ feelings. Despite that assertion, in a burst of logical thinking unusual in these proceedings, they recommended that since Wilders was speaking about Islamic texts and teachings and not Muslim people, the charge against him of group defamation should be dropped.

That was good as far as it went, although Wilders still faces charges of incitement that are as dangerous as they are vague. The danger of such charges was thrown into vivid relief Tuesday by a chilling statement that the prosecutors made: that Wilders will not be allowed to defend himself from charges of inciting hatred by arguing that what he said was true. Said van Roessel: “You can expect a politician to be aware of the impact of his words and in any case, the legal limit may not be crossed, no matter how important it may be to address supposed problems and to contribute to matters of general interest.”

So if the truth is not deemed to “address supposed problems and contribute to matters of general interest,” then it may not be spoken. The truth is now inadmissible in Dutch courtrooms – a chilling reality with likely reverberations far beyond the trial of Wilders himself.

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Robert Spencer is a scholar of Islamic history, theology, and law and the director of Jihad Watch. He is the author of ten books, eleven monographs, and hundreds of articles about jihad and Islamic terrorism, including the New York Times Bestsellers The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades) and The Truth About Muhammad. His latest book is The Complete Infidel’s Guide to the Koran (Regnery), and he is coauthor (with Pamela Geller) of The Post-American Presidency: The Obama Administration’s War on America (Simon and Schuster).

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  1. LibertyLover says:

    The Dutch have always been a tail trying to wag the dog. Progressive multiculturalism is their way of being relevant. That said, any culture that is unwilling to defend itself deserves to fall.

    • American_Flag says:

      Europe will be the first to fall, then America. Sad, sad, sad.

    • Robin says:

      I'm Dutch and agree with you.

    • guest says:

      amen, any culture unwilling to defend itself itself against backwardness and savagery is suicidal and an ultimate failure

    • Don Hank says:

      So if any culture unwilling to defend itself deserves to fail, do we deserve to be a socialist nation because "we" voted for Obama?

    • Thomas Beach says:

      I have a close, intelligent Dutch friend now living in London. I am continuously taken aback at his lack of concern regarding the advancing collapse of Holland as a Christian nation, and Europe in general. To be fair, he considers Wilder to be an opportunist and political provocateur. I think this contributes greatly to his apathy. To understand the foreshadowing for Europe, all one has to do to is look upon the lifeless body of Theo Van Gough, splayed out upon the street, the knife protruding from his chest. I predict that Holland will devolve into religious violence in the near future, or silently disappear beneath the waters.

    • Larry says:

      This is not about defending oneself from Islam or Muslims. It is about freedom of speech and expression that is on trial. Where is the law that says offending somone is a crime? And define what the Hell "defamation of a group" constitutes? Define Hate Crime? You can't define any of this nonsense in a sensible and reasonable fashion. What western governments are doing is making a crime out of not following established political and foreign policies. It is now a crime to think and behave differently from established norms of socialist ideology, which is the forerunner to either outright fascism or communism. Wilders is only guilty of not following the leading political party's idealism's and when you have lost the right to think and have differences of opinions, then your opinions are what is on trial. This is not just happening in the Netherlands, Europe, Scandinavia and Britain, they are happening in Canada and the USA. These evil western socialist engineering idealism's are no different than Islamofascism.

    • Larry says:

      This is not about defending oneself from Islam or Muslims. It is about freedom of speech and expression that is on trial. Where is the law that says offending somone is a crime? And define what the Hell "defamation of a group" constitutes? Define Hate Crime? You can't define any of this nonsense in a sensible and reasonable fashion. What western governments are doing is making a crime out of not following established political and foreign policies. It is now a crime to think and behave differently from established norms of socialist ideology, which is the forerunner to either outright fascism or communism. Wilders is only guilty of not following the leading political party's idealism's and when you have lost the right to think and have differences of opinions, then your opinions are what is on trial. This is not just happening in the Netherlands, Europe, Scandinavia and Britain, they are happening in Canada and the USA. These evil western socialist engineering idealism's are no different than Islamofascism.

  2. kate b says:

    Still no mention of the trial of the millenium in the media here in the UK, I mean, E(dis)U

    But IS Wilder's correct about Islam? Let's look at a London-based site:
    http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/204401.php

    Yes, seems Wilder's IS correct after all.

    And have you heard of the Bible burning in Malawi? No? Is that because there is no world-wide outrage and rampage of Jews and Christians? Yes. Are our feelings hurt? Yes! Can we have £5000 please for our hurt feelings?

  3. plymouthedl says:

    I have already stated that i should do a few beheadings and maybe burn down about 20 billion mosques in Bradford!!!

  4. Steve says:

    I guess the Dutch "Justices" have forgotten what it is like to live under the Swastika. Perhaps they want a second chance, this time under the Crescent Moon.

  5. flaedo says:

    Wake up and smell the roses, the authorities that govern the new Western world order are not interested in truth. Here in Australia under the racial vilification laws truth is not accepted as a defence. Against this new fascism we have no legal defence. lf we oppose these governing fascists we are outside the law. This is where they have pushed us.

    • Gamaliel Isaac says:

      Please give more info regarding the laws about truth not being accepted as a defence in Australia. Do you have any links or references regarding this. I may write an article about the whole idea of truth not being accepted as a defense but to do that I need to know more about it. Do you know of any examples outside of Australia?

    • guest says:

      vote the mukkers out of office asap

  6. poptoy says:

    He told no lies about Islam. Read the facts.

  7. stephencuz says:

    How are we to rebel? WE can talk a good game but until each of us are ready to put EVERYTHING on the line ~ our fortunes, family, our lives, we will "go along to get along." IT will be that much more difficult when they have succeeded in taking away our weapons. As Jefferson said, "Those that pound their swords into plowshares will plow for those that did not." I hope the day of rebellion never has to come but I fear you are right. When truth is no longer the standard, then power says what is.

    • pacific_waters says:

      And therein Stephen lies the rub. We are much more likely to keep moving the goalposts of what is acceptable than rebel.

    • Boadicea says:

      stephencuz, Unfortunately, in Australia our weapons were taken from us by the government. Only criminals possess firearms now.

  8. flaedo says:

    Well already if you oppose the new 'values' you are a pariah and socially unacceptable – look at the scorn heaped upon Wilders in Holland and the abuse and violent threats directed at the Democrats in Sweden. Look at how the EDL is treated in Britain, constantly harrassed, its leaders arrested without real cause. There has been no blowing up of mosques by the critics of the new order, in fact all the lawbreaking has been done by the jihadis and the leftists and yet we who are aware and who are lamenting the death pf Western culture are derided and labelled extremists.

  9. Gamaliel says:

    According to the Prosecutors logic if someone accuses a murder of committing murder they are committing a crime because they are inciting hatred against that murderer and the fact that they are speaking the truth is irrelevant

  10. Johanne says:

    I share the concerns and am horrified by this trial – but I have more hope for Europe. If Wilders should be convicted of some idiotic, abstract offense, he might get a majority vote for parliament the next time around and could then improve on the legislation to secure the rights we are presently loosing (along with fixing other problems). Sorry Wilders, but the longer the trial and the graver the conviction the more attention, the more repetitions of the truths about Islam, the more dreyfusian the more eye-opening it will be. I realize this is brutal on our Wilders, but for the cause of de-islamizing Europe, I believe, this is a win-win-situation.

    Across Europe we are more and more frequently voting for parties ready to act on these issues in spite of being vilified by the elite for doing so. We behave as subjects in any dictatorship would, and express only our opinions about Islam within private, trusted circles – but here we are spreading knowledge with impressive speed, we are forwarding the analysis of Spencer and others, we are building our strength to oppose this raw power.

    I hope, I have to hope, that we are finding our way to deal with this disastrous immigration in a non-violent and effective way. The relativistic, deterministic dhimmified left are peaking now with Obama, the dutch prosecutors in power, this caricature of a human rights council at the UN – now comes the fall and a new era :) I just pray that we find a non-violent way of dealing with it very, very soon.

    • Thomas Beach says:

      I sincerely wish there was a non-violent solution. But given the violent nature of Muslims, and their shockingly aggressiveness I don't believe this is possible. You're wrong where Wilders conviction is concerned. If a man is innocent, he is innocent. The idea you proffer of offering Wilders up as a sacrificial lamb on the alter of freedom is absurd. If that is what it takes to wake the Dutch people up, then they are already doomed.

  11. Carolyn says:

    If I wanted to know the facts about communism, I'd read the Communist Manifesto.

    It looks like the Dutch Parliament has not read the Qur'an! I recommend they begin with "The Verse of the Sword" 9:5 and then, if they aren't already repelled, skip to 5:33 or 8:12 or 9: 29 or 48:29 or … all little barbs of hatred, interspersed with gems copied from the Bible.

  12. gliverson says:

    It must be stressed openly: The very future of all Europe is at stake in the priciples being violated by all of this fake trial and the crooked judges and prosecutors involved.

    Islam is now, nor has ever been in it's history, a Religion of Peace. Sure, there are some seemingly nice folks that say they are Moslem, but, they violate the teachings of their own church and holy book to be at peace with us infidels.

  13. TrollMaster says:

    Carolyn,

    You listed some good citations from the Qur'an showing clearly that Islam is a violent political system, i.e. violent against all who do not submit to it. But you left out some good citations, such as:

    9:5 "So when the forbidden months are passed, so kill the polytheists wherever you find them, and take them [as captives], and besiege them, and lay wait for them with every kind of ambush, so if they repent [convert to Islam] and perform the prayer and give the legal alms, so leave their way free." The forbidden months refer to a pre-Islamic tradition of not fighting during a four month period. The point of this verse is to kill all Christians, which Islam considers to be polytheists because Islam erroneously holds that Christians believe in multiple gods, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

    It is interesting to note that this verse, 9:5, which commands Muslims to kill all idolaters who do not accept Islam, is understood by Muslim scholars to abrogate 124 other verses throughout the entire Qur'an which indicate compassion for Christians and Jews.

    And then there is the little gem in 9:29, where Muslims are commanded to kill the Jews and Christians who do not believe in Islam, "Engage in war with those who do not believe in Allah and in the last day. . . ."

    How about 9:123, which commands Muslims to wage war against their neighbors who do not believe in Allah, "O you who have believed, engage in war against the infidels who are near to you, and let them find in you harshness, and know that Allah is with the fearer."

    Time permits only one more citation, 66:9, where Allah commanded Mohammed to perform a harsh jihad against infidels and hypocrites, i.e. non-Muslims, "O you prophet, perform a jihad against the infidels and hypocrites and be harsh against them. And hell will be their abode, and evil is the final place."

    Political Islam is no religion of peace. Those who say it is are deceitful and are the same ones who are trampling truth in the street.

    • Larry says:

      A Sura in the Koran states: "If you kill one person, it is as if you have killed the whole people." That Sura is the first one political, media and academia Islamo-apologists trot out to show that Islam is peaceful and tolerant. However, that Sura is the one most often misquoted by the Islamo-apologists. The truth of that Sura lies in the fact that it does not, in fact, say person or people. That Sura reads: "If you kill one Muslim, it is as if you have killed the whole Umma." Non-Muslims are not considered as people or persons with rights. Even Muslims have few rights. That is what Islam really brings to the western world. For all our rights and freedoms in the west the western governments are eroding those rights and freedoms at the behest of the Islamic world. It's greed and oil. We are the people who have to stop the Islamization of our western world, which means that we have to find leaders and political parties that are not accommodating the Muslims and Islam.

  14. American_Flag says:

    Wake up people. In a few hundred years time, all of the world will be Moslem. Don't you get it? The signs are on the wall, yet we think political correctness and the Hollywood elite and the George Soros' of the world will save us. One of the teachings from the Koran is to decieve the enemy by any measure to further advance Islam. So it seems that there are "moderate moslems out there", but in fact they have a hidden adgenda. Make no mistake about it. Please…smarten up.

  15. Yephora says:

    You can always tell who the bad guys are: the side that has no regard for the truth.

  16. waterwillows says:

    Who would have thought the Dutch would actually CHOOSE to replace intelligence with backward, ignorant, crude reasoning. They have done their children no favors because it will become apparent very quickly what a stupid country they have become.
    But it is their choice and they shall have what they want.

    The rest of the western countries can not take this day of the dark ages sitting down. We must e-mail, write or phone and cancel any tulips or flowers from this backward nation.
    Let them sell their flowers to the muslims. Oh I forgot, flowers are an insult to muslims.
    At any rate we need to protest their insult to the people of reason. Could that be a hate crime? Insulting the people of reason? If so, the Dutch are guilty.
    NO FLOWERS FROM HOLLAND. We'll have to wake them up with the wallet.

  17. Atlas_Collins says:

    Islam Delenda Est!

  18. tagalog says:

    The very concept of "group defamation" is more chilling the more I think about it.

  19. Sam says:

    The Dutch malpractice precedent coming soon. Imagine a person who gains 100 pounds over a 3-year period is warned by his doctor that unless he cuts back and loses weight, he is likely to die an early death. He's naturally upset by the news. So he sues the doctor in court for causing his emotional distress, anxiety, and insomnia. The Dutch courts would award him damages and probably take away the doctor's license.

    But the following year that same person, after weighing himself on his bathroom scale, notices he has gained another 50 pounds! His emotional distress increases. He is shocked! Using his last case precedent he sues the makers of the scale for causing his distress: had it not been for their promoting the scale, he would not have been so distressed. The Dutch would agree. But because the scale was made in China, they would no doubt take it to the International Court of Justice and threaten to embargo scale imports.

    The U.S. is already infected by this shortsightedness. Any employer can be sued for any conceived "discrimination" related to race, color, religion, sex, national origin, etc. etc. If a man in one cubicle has a photo a female in a sexy pose on his desk, he can be fired and the employer can be sued for sexual harrassment and creating a hostile work environment for women. The Dutch aren't the only ones turning the western world's adults into infantiles.

  20. Michael says:

    The Netherlands will seal its fate for siding against free speech. No Muslim is in court for refering to Jews as apes ,monkeys and pigs. No Muslim is in court for refering to us as Infidels. No Muslim is in court for burning Bibles. No Muslims is in court for blowing up their own places of worship. The audacity of Dutch Judges to even consent to put Wilders on trial for telling the truth and quoting terrorist passages from the Koran is concrete proof the Netherlands will be morphed into Islamoland. I wonder what will go through the minds of Netherlanders when Islam puts the rest of them including the Judges that chastized Wilders on trail ?
    American Christian Infidel
    Michael Canzano

  21. HenryCrux says:

    Spencer has understated the insignificants of the Wilder's "victory" and the gigantic significance of his defeat. His defeat is all our defeat and it is forever – we have lost the power of Truth – Truth, unless it is controlled and delimited by the Religiously Correct, is now, for all practical purposes, thrown out of European Justice forever: Just look carefully at what they said, "Said van Roessel: “You can expect a politician to be aware of the impact of his words and in any case, the legal limit may not be crossed, no matter how important it may be to address supposed problems and to contribute to matters of general interest.” Goodbye Truth, Hello creeping Muslim totalitarianism fueled by Oil Money Bribes! Notice how he used "general interest" to mean exactly "truth".

  22. Fred Dawes says:

    Free speech has been on the run for a long time in this country and never was in ANY other Nation states. This nation is the last great hope and is being attacked by our own government.

  23. Stonefellowi says:

    And to think that the World Court, part of the UN, is in the Netherlands. Obviouslt the elitist Dutch jurists do not respect truth. The court needs to be moved to Switzerland, or maybe Belgium.

  24. WilliamJamesWard says:

    Are not these same Dutch the people that legalized hash and
    marijuana and other questionable things? What are these
    so called justices going to do after the trial, go home and
    smoke some more dope, nothing like being tolerant of
    everything but the truth, it went out the window with their
    minds long ago…….It may just be that the Dutch are not
    aware of anything, just staying home high and living the
    good life while the wolf is at the door with big sharp
    teeth and a big fat nose under a turban…..and did you know
    tulip comes from turban………………………………..William

  25. Jim Johnson says:

    The Dutch court has created a victimless crime.

    If Wilders uses as his source the Quran it's self and if he is telling us what is in the Quran then the Quran it's self must be judged as hate literature . Not only that but the ministers of Islam who teach their congregation that the Quran is the word of God which must be followed they too are engaging in Hate Speech. Those who believe in the hate speech are high on the probablity list for committing the prescribed crimes.

    The muliculturalist Judges have ,like the judges of the Middle Ages, have ruled against truth.
    They have ruled against the Dutch People.
    They have ruled for Islamic violence.
    Most of all they have ruled against them selves.
    They now are irrelevant people sitting in seats of power who should be removed and prosecuted them selves for crimes against democracy.

    What do we buy from Holland and can we not buy it from some other place

  26. Carl says:

    Whooda thought! The Netherlands!

    Population 17 million; median age 41; 14 million internet users; 90% with cable/sat TV; 20 million cell phones; literacy 99%; Urban population 82%. Muslim population (7/2010) is less than 6%.

    So where are the other 16 million free love, free drugs worshipers? Has anyone seen or heard of any marches, banners, TV debates, building takeovers (ala Berkeley), Pro-Wilders parades, or anything else? If so, they have been too quiet. And we won't even mention the U.K.

  27. traeh says:

    The Dutch are very intelligent. Don't underestimate them. The problem is European law, which apparently does not give sufficient safeguards to freedom of speech. Wilders will not lose, even if he is judged guilty on incitement. His popularity will continue to grow, especially if he is found guilty on any of these charges. People will perhaps start to demand a European First Amendment. They should.

  28. Paradiddle69 says:

    Well, except for Geert and the other clear-thinking folks, why doesn't Holland just cede victory to the Muslims already. It is on the way.

  29. RevRMBWest says:

    The Koran is like Mein Kamph in many respects, though not all, and that needs to be said loudly and even more clearly. Only a fool would try to suppress it. If that offends some people then they need offending: any free speech that cannot offend is utterly worthless – we may as well give up. We owe our greatness, such as it is, to the love of freedom of inquiry, and freedom of speech and expression short of incitement to violence and the defamation of individuals, not groups. If Islam does not like this then it is time for it, not us, to go!

  30. Radegunda says:

    Robert, you wrote: "So if the truth is not deemed to 'address supposed problems and contribute to matters of general interest,' then it may not be spoken."

    Unless there's a faulty translation, I think what he said was actually worse: "… in any case, the legal limit may not be crossed, no matter how important it may be to address supposed problems and to contribute to matters of general interest.”

    That is, even if a statement is true AND and is made by way of addressing "supposed problems" and "matters of general interest"–and important ones at that!–it may still be illegal.

  31. Liberty-Clinger says:

    "The truth is now inadmissible in Dutch courtrooms – a chilling reality with likely reverberations far beyond the trial of Wilders himself."

    I believe George Orwell, a genius and modern-day prophet, saw this coming.

    “The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake… Power is not a means, it is an end… The object of power is power… Always there will be the intoxication of power… We are the Priests of Power… Power is power over human beings, over the body; but above all over the mind… The real power; the power we have to fight for night and day is not power over things but over men… You believe that reality is something objective, external, existing in its own right. You also believe that the nature of reality is self-evident… I tell you Winston that reality is not external. Reality exists in the human mind and nowhere else; not in the individual mind, which can make mistakes and in any case soon perishes; only in the mind of the Party, which is collective and immortal. Whatever the Party holds to be truth is truth.” George Orwell – 1984

  32. Beth says:

    In the Aritcle above: "although they did add in the politically correct observation that Wilders’ statements might nevertheless hurt Muslims’ feelings"

    Good argument – for the next time around? – in that same court – when Christians sue all institutions and governments that support a book that calls the Son of God an abomination and all of His eye-witnesses liars – by one lone acuser who wasn't even there with them – offering no proof but his own say-so – in the Koran:

    037.151 Is it not that they say, from their own invention,

    037.152 Allah has begotten children? but they are liars!

    019.088 They say: (Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!

    019.089 Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!

    If that's not the most offensive teaching ( in the name of "Holy" to boot) against all Christians – then what is?

    Where are the so-called (and self-professing) 'Christian' leaders who have been given a voice in this world? Where are they?

    I am deeply appalled with the bias and ignorant observations of that court.

    • Beth says:

      Radeguanda said in another post: "in any case, the legal limit may not be crossed, no matter how important it may be to address supposed problems and to contribute to matters of general interest"

      What is the "legal limit" when it's "feelings being hurt" on the Christian side? Does the same apply? and if so – where are the voices of the 'Christians' of this world? – when considering the fact that the Koran calls the Son of God an abomination and all of His eye-witnesses liars?

      Those judges have NO right to judge such a case – if they're not willing to give the same consideration to all. That is, if they're truly the "humanitarians" they claim to be.

      I'll say it again – I am deeply appalled with the bias of the leaders of this world.

      They obviously love the teachings of:

      Beheadings (047.004) – Racism (005.041) – Gang Rape (033.052) – Crucifixions (005.033) – Genocide (033.061) – Treason – (008.067)

      and hate the teachings of:

      Rom 13:9 For this [true peace for all], Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

      Shame on the people who vote such pricks into power. And too bad for those same pricks – because "we reap what we sow"

      So let's just keep handing out the Koran to the young – shall we?

      • Radegunda says:

        The words that I put in quotation marks are a QUOTATION! I was quoting the prosecutor Birgit van Roessel, as quoted in the article. I was explaining that I think Robert misconstrued the statement, and that its meaning is "actually worse" than Robert's explanation.

        I don't know how you could have thought I was expressing my own opinion within quotation marks, but please get some help with your reading comprehension.

  33. Beth says:

    Google ad on Frontpage when I visited the topic: "Wilders’ Trial: Win One, Lose One" which showed the following:

    "Live Quran Tutor Serrvice" [like as though - you the reader can't figure it out for youselves]

    "Is Jesus really God" {the answer is no – not accorrding to the Jesus that this world preaches – according to the Scriptures]

    Women's Muslim swimsuits ["100s Of Women's Muslim Swimsuits Top Brands At Low Prices"]

    And this is ok with you Frontpage?

    An honest man's life is on trial before the most corrupt judges of all time – and you allow such ads to be a 'compliment' on your site???????????????????

    Simply put – That's SICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    It was written: You will know what is in the heart by the words that come from the mouth.

    google ads speak for frontpage – If not – frontpage would not allow it. [I know - because I have a website of my own - and i know what it costs - not much - that is, in terms of money]

  34. Liberty Clinger says:

    van Roessel: “You can expect a politician to be aware of the impact of his words and in any case, the legal limit may not be crossed, no matter how important it may be to address supposed problems…”

    Thomas Jefferson: "Law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right (freedom of speech) of an individual."

  35. Ravi Rajnan says:

    If the Court will hold him guilty, history will hold it guilty !

  36. Ravi Ranjan says:

    When Courts will betray justice, the 'PURE' will do Justice !
    Pure Humans, with no hidden agenda, Pure(ly) Dutch. KHALSA the Pure.
    SIKH was transformed into Khalsa, now there will be Pure Dutch, who will save Holland.
    As Sikhs did for Hindus/Humanity and Hindusthan.
    Be good Christians, good Dutch but be Khalsa too.

  37. Ravi Ranjan says:

    West must realize JIHAD IS A WAR, EVER-GOING;
    NOT AGAINST WEST, OR ONLY WEST.

    It is as much against East, if not more. Unfortunately, Jihad got attention of West only after, the heat was unbearable for it.
    On other hand The East, especially Bharat that is India, bore the burnt for centuries.
    Westerners please understand clearly Jihad is not at against West, it is as much against East, specifically against humanity. Now human race has to fight it out, jointly.
    You need to know, how Jihadis overran India?
    How and why Sikhism was formed?
    Why & How were Sikhs tortured to death for not accepting Islam?
    Why Jihadis still consider them as enemy no.1 and Potential Danger/Death?
    To Stop Jihad, west should do what Sikhs did Centuries back, and remember that time they were outnumbered, out of power, had no nation, were on run, individual properties confiscated, having Price and Prize for their Heads.
    And how handful of Sikhs overthrew Mughals the Mighty? Chased Jihadis right up to their burrow Afghanistan, took over Kabul, Kandhar, Jalalbad, made them sign ‘document of repentance and apology’ for their and their forefathers deeds. Made Afghans wear Salwar Kamiz the dress of women( who were seen as lowly creatures/slave/protected by Jihadis) and was against their tenet, considered as humiliation to great warriors, for the reason that, Pathans mercenaries tried to escape, disguised themselves as women by putting on Burqua, as Sikh commander-in-chief Hari Singh Nalwa ordered to his men ‘no rape, no molestation, no harm to children’. Afghans had to digest it, as luck would have it, latter it became part of their life, and now it is their ‘National Dress’. Arabs still taunt Afghans as homos and Kafir on Salwar issue.
    What were their military and other strategies and strength? What can we learn from Sikh history?
    How killing the impact of Islamic Rulers was on India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bangladesh; that a new religion/Panth came into being.

    Bharat was tragically partitioned nearly six decades back; the greater tragedy is it was not partitioned as Muslim India and Hindu India or Muslim India and Non-Muslim India but as Muslim India that is now Pakistan and Secular India.
    In other words Muslims got one Muslim Monopoly or Darul-Islam Country Pakistan and other Bharat (India) where they are equal Partners.
    Hindus, Sikhs, Christians & Buddhists got one country to be shared amongst themselves and Muslims as equal Partners.

    It was Victory of Jihad, but was projected as win-win situation by Gandhi and his sponsors and former Colonial Masters the British.

    Busy in celebrating or reconciling WW IInd the west could not realize Jihad that has taken Place.

  38. Ravi Ranjan says:

    Busy in celebrating or reconciling WW IInd the west could not realize Jihad that has taken Place.

    An Independence that has been tricked into, at cost of Millions of life, transfer of 10s of Millions of citizens on basis of religion(in a very intelligible manner favoring Jihadis) and seeds of another Jihad/Partition left in Secular India(hidden in grab of Liberal Hindu culture/Secularism).
    It was Win-Win Situation in fact, but for Jihadis the new Rulers of Pakistan and their (natural Partners) Establishment of Secular India. Jihadis got a full-fledged Nation State Pakistan and another Nation State called India in which they became Equal Partners. India’s new and incompetent leaders also felt as winners because (a) got rid of their competitors in power, especially Jinnah who could outsmart Indian Leaders (incompetent and imposed) The ringleader of these incompetent, imposed and bogus leaders wanted himself to be written as apostle of Love and he succeeded in it, he fooled the world that time and the world is still fooling itself by believing that agent, powerbroker, Jihad-Sympathizer and veiled Jihadi as SAINT. He was probably also aspiring for Noble Prize, his followers who are in still in absolute power in India are still trying get Noble Prize for him posthumously.
    As expected in six decades population of Non-Muslims that was more than 20% in Pakistan diminished to less than 3%.
    The reason is Jihad, Convincing the gullible, concession/ indulgence to willing, terrorizing the sensible, forcing upon challenger the killing the defiant. Population of Bangladesh a State latter fallen apart from Pakistan had more than 35% Hindu Population now has less than 7% Hindus.
    Where as Muslim Population of Bharat (India) that was 10% after Partition is now any thing between 15 to 25%.The Game of Demography, another Jihad lost by Bharat (India) and followers of Indigenous Dharam/Panths (Religions) and non-Jihadi foreign originated Religions (of course now these religion are as much part of India as Indigenous Religions/Panths) Furthermore, Zoroastrianism is condemned in its country of origin, Iran and is respected in Bharat.
    Taking advantage of its religious tolerance was and is exploited by Jihadis. Off course some Christians Missionaries are also doing the same, but its overzealousness of some Christian denominations, Churches and individuals behind it. But no way can Holy Bible be held responsible, nor is any Christian Governments budgeting the conversion or actively or remotely promoting it. The damage done by these Missionaries to Indigenous Dharma/Religion are
    One: the converts are uprooted from their roots, cut of from their folks and there is mistrust between neo-converts and parental community. Two: They identify themselves with alien faith, that they hardly understand but they are alienated from motherland. These neo-Converts in turn convert more aboriginals, Tribals, poor, disadvantageous victims. They use every method from ‘planted miracles’ to glorifying false stories about Jesus to draw analogies with Hindu Gods. Animal, fallible gods of primitive, lowly, colonized Hindu Race. Now these neo-converts are anti-Hindu, and identify Jihadis as lesser enemy or even friends as discriminated cousins. Three: The neo-convert (and their white masters) in turn are extremely dedicated some times carried away, sometimes because of own reasons and most of the time to prove their loyalty, they keep inventing Christianity and have created a Pagan-Christianity. So the false Christianity is doing harm to soul of Christianity and the genuine peace loving Missionaries also get maligned. Forth: Much of Christian and Hindu force is spent contending each other, like Jews and Christians or Catholic and Protestants. This dilutes their energy to fight Universal Evil the Jihad.
    The slaughter on Bharat (India) started much before that of West, Right from 714 AD. Though ‘Test Fire’ Skirmish took place decades before major onslaught.
    Now how did Bharat Survive, and is still going strong is a study case for West.
    The struggle of the Hindus to resist the Jihadi aggression into India was spread over a period of 600 years from 715 AD. Up to 1328 Ad. This contrasts with the swift Muslim victories in Persia (Iran) over the Zoroastrian Sassanians and in Mesopotamia, Egypt and North Africa over the Romans (Byzantines). The Muslims could not subjugate India with ease. And even after subjugating different parts of the country, they were never able to rule it entirely. The next 400 years from 1328 up to 1720 was marked by a valiant and ceaseless struggle for independence by Hindus to deliver India from Muslim tyranny.

    The Hardest hit was blown to Jihadis when their power was at peak. When they were a superpower and believed to be invincible.
    Rajputs and Gujjars opposed them first as they were attacked first. Latter Jats opposed them, Tribals and almost every community opposed them in India.

    But the role of Sikhs is a special study case and source of inspiration. As they just did not just fought Jihadis, for themselves and by themselves, but were especially created, to end the tyrant.

  39. Ravi Ranjan says:

    The Sikhism Started with Guru Nanak, He opposed the mighty aggressor Babur single handedly. He called him Jabbar meaning tyrant and cruel right at his face.
    Later Guru Arjun Dev was tortured to death for not accepting Islam.
    The story of Last Sikh Guru Govind Singh begins. Aurangzeb the Emperor was most intolerant Sunni Jihadi. To him Sufis and Shias were also infidels.
    In intoxication of his power he was killing Hindus on refusal to convert to Islam. Kashmir being the centre of learning and Land of learned (Brahmans) was his special area of interest as he believed converting intellectuals is more useful and easy.
    Disappointed, helpless Brahmins of Kashmir met Guru Teg Bhadur father of Last Guru with a hope. After discussions with them Guru Teg Bhadur sent a message to Aurangzeb that “all Hindus especially Kashmir Brahmins will embrace Islam willingly, provided you convince me and convert me”.
    This was a heartening development for Aurangzeb. By just converting one man he will get paradise, 72 Virgins.
    Guru visited Delhi; he was made to converse with Quazi.
    Kazi said Idol worshiping and ringing of bells to please God is a sin. Muslims don’t do it, and we must finish these idol worshipers. Guru said I don’t worship Idols nor believe in bells and I am against this ritual.
    Kazi asked why are you siding with them, if its so?
    Guru said I don’t have right to kill someone if does not believes in what I believe. I am for freedom first.
    Not being able to convince, his companions were brutally tortured before him to terrorize him. But he did not budge an inch. Finally Guru Teg Bhadur was also put to Death.

    This was the turning point in the history.
    After beheading him Kazi announced in this land of Kafirs anyone who calls himself a Hindu, may come forward and pick your Kafir Guru’s head. There was crowd of thousands and most of them were Hindus. But no one dare to come forward. That was declared end of Hinduism.
    However, there was a dust storm, taking advantage of it one man cleverly managed to smuggle out his head.
    He took his head straight to Punjab after traveling for nearly three days. He narrated the whole story to Guru Teg Bhadur’s son and the next and last Sikh Guru. “No one could dare to affirm himself Hindu though they were thousands of them”.
    If Hindus can not dare say publicly that they are Hindus that really means Hinduism has now ceased to exist. Private, in house rituals done secretly are not going to last long. One must have courage to affirm his or her faith openly otherwise let’s disown our respective faiths.
    Timid should be turned into Soldier.
    So Guru Govind Singh gave Sikhs a sign bearing which he can not shy away from the fact that he is a follower of his faith. And that sign is his hair; a turncoat can not be a Sikh. If you are a Sikh you are a thorough Sikh, Sikh inside and Sikh outside. No scope escapism. Your enemy knows you, be ready to face it; otherwise you don’t be a Sikh rather you can’t be. That is it.
    This boldness and direct challenge is the only answer to Jihad, to radicals, to oppressor, to mad lunatics. No double-mindedness, I am what I am, I am here to save humanity, old or young, sturdy or fragile but I am bold and strong; I am a Sikh.

    Sikh Slogans and addressing forms are
    ‘Chardikala’ meaning ‘in high spirits’. Sikhs chant it even when injured or dying or even as captivity.

  40. Ravi Ranjan says:

    ‘Sat Sri Akal’ meaning Truth shall prevail.
    ‘Raj Karega Khalsa, aaki rahe na koy’ Pure shall rule (not oppressors with worldly power) and there is no impediment in that.

    Now whole Human race needs same firmness and zero tolerance against Jihadis.

    Guru TegBhadur did not die for his faith; he was not an Idol worshiper: he died for others faith and his principal and that is not to oppress and not to be oppressed.
    Know Sikhs, Support Sikhs, adopt their strategies.
    Many opportunist Hindus also sided with Jihadis against Sikhs. As may opportunist Westerners are supporting Jihadis.
    The Jihadi Propaganda was so strong that at one time of time even Hindus started feeling that Sikhs are to inhuman to Jihadis, without realizing Human Rights for Right Humans only. Hindus started feeling Sikhs are no more their well wishers and some Sikhs started distancing them self from their Hindu brothers. But in fact the bond between two communities is so strong that nothing can separate them.
    So Sikhs just did not fight Jihadis, just for themselves but for Human Race. Sikhs realized the time bomb has not to be just neutralized, but diffused and dismantled and destroyed.

    Sikhs also did not fight just by themselves.
    From the very beginning they were extrovert, developing new relations and maintaining old ones, seeking new techniques, seeking and providing help from and to everyone who can defeat Jihadis.

    Here continuing the Sikh Tradition I appeal to whole human race to unite against Jihadis.

    Question some people ask me is are Sikhs Hindus?
    No, they are not. I counter question is Butter Milk answer is here.
    Butter is no milk but enhanced milk, but it is not milk.
    Yes, butter is milk because it originates from milk. It is not from is not possible without milk.
    Why I am writing it to Christian West, You need Sikh (type)-Christians to be raised to counter onslaught of anti-human evil cult.

  41. Ravi Ranjan says:

    Long Live GEERT THE KHALSA

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