Religion would seem to be one of the underlying reasons for the Turks’ persistent outsider status. Turks make up the majority of Germany’s 4 million Muslim residents, and despite the secular reputation of 20th century Turkey, there is abundant evidence that their brand of Islam has been in tension with German culture and society.
That is most evident in the contrasting levels of religious commitment. While Germany has followed the European trend toward secularization, its Turkish immigrants remain fervently religious. A 2006 study by the Essen Center for Turkish Studies found that 83 percent of Muslims of Turkish-origins described themselves as religious or strictly religious. And while German leaders have long toed the politically correct line that Islam is fully compatible with German ways – even the blunt-speaking Merkel has paid repeated lip service to the pluralistic cliché that Islam is a “part of Germany” – Turkish Muslims seem to disagree. Not only do nearly half of German Turks say that Islamic laws are incompatible with German society, but many live that way. Forced marriages and “honor” killings are two of the more prominent examples of Islamic practices clashing with German laws and culture. Even in death, many Muslim immigrants spurn integration. By some estimates, as many as 80 percent of Muslims have their bodies sent to their home countries so as to avoid a non-Muslim burial on German soil.
More and more, that clash of civilizations underlies a security concern in Germany. This August, German authorities finally shuttered the city’s Taiba mosque, a nursery of jihadist terror whose alumni included September 11 ringleader Mohamed Atta. Just this week, German federal prosecutors arrested 8 men, including a Turkish national, on charges of supporting al-Qaeda and spreading terrorist propaganda on the internet. Previous crackdowns on German-based jihadist groups have also netted Turkish Islamists. As a result, Germany is now on the international radar as a major base for jihadist terror. When the U.S. recently issued a travel alert for Europe, it specifically cited Islamists originating in Germany.
With the costs of multiculturalism’s failure so plain to see, it’s not surprising that many Germans are anxious about where mass immigration has led them. Merkel’s recent comments are only the latest crack in the politically correct “consensus” surrounding the taboo subject. In August, Thilo Sarrazin, a senior official at Germany’s central bank, published a book about the dangers of Muslim immigration whose theme was summed up in its provocative title: Germany Does Itself In. Sarrazin was forced to resign his position amid press furor, but his book continues to top Germany’s best-seller lists – a good indication of where the public’s sympathies lie. Another measure of the national doubts about the wisdom off immigration comes from a recent study, which found that one-third of Germans feel the country is being “over-run by foreigners,” while nearly 60 percent feel that Muslim religious practices should be “significantly curbed.” Elite opinion remains hostile to open discussion of immigration, especially Muslim immigration, but a growing segment of German popular opinion plainly feels that it represents a legitimate worry.
While this concern is encouraging, mirroring as it does Europe’s broader awakening to the issues of immigration and Islamic extremism, it is not altogether a heartening phenomenon. For one thing, the growing alarm about the problem of Muslim integration coexists with a revived anti-Semitism. The same study that found Germans supporting restrictions on certain Islamic practices also found that 17 percent think Jews “have too much influence.” Another problem is that while it is becoming more acceptable to point out the failures of multiculturalism, no serious solution has been offered. Modest attempts at assimilation, such as language classes, are unlikely to overcome entrenched cultural and religious divides.
That will become an even bigger problem for Germany in the decades ahead. At 1.36 children per woman, Germans have one of the lowest fertility rates not only in Europe but in recorded history. Statistics on Germany’s Turkish community are sparse, but there is a consensus that comparatively they have many more children. If those trends hold, Germany likely will look very different in the not-so-distant future. Acknowledging that multiculturalism has failed may be a necessary first step to coping with the consequences of Islamic immigration. But it will not save Germany from that looming demographic predicament.
Good report that tells things as they are here. The mass muslim immigration costs billions every year and creates security problems, and the problems have become so big that they cannot be ignored any longer.
Laskin pulls no punches and conveys an appropriate skepticism regarding potential outcomes. The main thrusts of his arguments dovetail with the German reality…
1) It is RELIGION – specifically, ISLAM – that is the marker indicating which immigrants are unable or unwilling to integrate.
2) Native German infertility necessitates continued liberal immigration policies, otherwise, who will work to maintain the German economy and finance the social security of millions of prospective retirees?
Solution: "Targeted immigration", i.e., emphasize the admittance of migrants from countries and cultures that are compatible with the German "way of life". This essentially means from every region of the world EXCEPT the Islamic realm.
Problem: Such policies would be overtly discriminatory.
Solution: Take the long, hard step of building a societal-wide consensus that acknowledges Islamic particularism…and its incompatibility with Western traditions.
ISLAM IS NOT A RELIGION. IT IS A TOTALITARIAN SYSTEM.
Actually, it's both. It involves belief in and worship of, deity, which qualifies it as a religion. And it is certainly an all-encompassing belief system regulating every facet of human behavior, i.e., totalitarian.
Agreed. But a better solution for the Germans, and for the other Europeans, would be for them to start having larger families. and stop immigration altogether.
There is an active theory that demographic decline, once it reaches a certain level, is irreversible. Even allowing for the willingness of Germans to adopt a new culture of fertility, it would – like all cultural changes – take time….time that Europe doesn't have.
Sounds like it would be a contest to see who could out populate the other guy, which would be crazy. I say do like China and restrict how many children these different groups can have, or just send them back home and refuse any more to come in your country.
That should be ok with the lefties, cause you are holding down the population, which makes them happy. : )
"1) It is RELIGION – specifically, ISLAM".
Well it sure isn't Christiantity, pal. The Germans haven't been a Christian nation for almost 100 years. That is their problem.
Oh my, the truth!
Haven't heard that for a while – and it didn't hurt at all. I don't want to blow you up or kill you for speaking it either.
Well done Voltaire….oops, Laksin.
The fact of the matter is Muhammadans immigrants no matter where they have migrated have refused to assimilate and integrate. Instead, they have formed Muhammadan no-go zones as parallel societies ruled by Sharia in direct contravention to the laws of the states in which they reside. Hence, it couldn’t be anymore obvious, Muhammadans don’t immigrate to assimilate and integrate, they immigrate instead to eventually subjugate and dominate.
In the 30's Germans were made to believe it was getting to late to stop the Elders of Zion from hijacking their culture and rushed their Jews iof to the gas chambers. But even Germans can learn. Today, the majority know that the financemafia and structural deficits are at the root of their current problems and reject the new lunatic rights islamobhobic stance. Christian Democrat President Wullf stated clearly…..Islam belongs to Germany. Thanx Mr President, for stateing the obvious. Merkel is forgiven for having to gather in the rightist vote, witch has the merit of not leaving it up to lunatics like Wilders.
And thank YOU for being so obvious!
In Britain we have a name for people who are insane.
We say that they are 'crackers'
In the -30's and during the war, the Nazis were pretty tight with the Moslems — witness Hitler's welcome of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, and the recruiting of SS regiments from Bosnian Moslems. It sounds like Wullf would fit right in with them.
it was 260,000 muslim SS And many came from all over the east just to kill little kids but understand The Reds used muslims to and to murder jews and to murder the ideals of christianity.
The ideal of christianity Hitler integrated was christendoms century old Anti-Semitism cornerstone. Europes Christians had been slaughtering their Jews ever since the first Crusade. Hitler just jumped on the bandwaggon.
They were pretty tight with the Catholic Ustascha Faschists of Croatia also. And lets not forget the Austrian clerus, the Romanian Iron Guard , Slovakias Tiso, Belgiums Rexist. In fact, Christian Clerical-Faschism was a cornerstone of Hitlers expansion.
That's a straight F in history, sorry. The Grand Mufti would have snuggled up to anyone who was against his Britisch masters.. Europes countless Christian clerical faschist movements, on the other hand , welcomed an allie in their millenium old disease of Anti-Semitism, and almost all European nations willingly pushed their Jews onto the Auschwitz train, the more Christian, the worst the Jews fared, Poles even slaughtering those returning from the death camps. By the way. As long as business was going straight, the US was pretty tight with the Nizis also.
Burdening Islam with Christendoms epic genocide is a cheap trick, to say the least. But I will take into consideration the lack of genearal knowlege in the US.
If you want to talk about epic genocide, then Islam is the first place to begin.
Even limiting the discussion to the 20th c, Moslems murdered more non-Moslems than Hitler and the Nazis did Jews. The Turks slaughtered 1.5 million Armenians, the Nigerians ca. 1 million Christian Ibos, the Sudanese over 1 million Christians and pagans, the Pakistanis nearly 2 million Hindus, the Indonesians ca 3/4 million Chinese. And those are just the intensive episodes. Everywhere, from Morocco to the Philippines, there has been a constant, low-intensity, killing of non-Moslems.
In view of the genocide of the peoples of compleat continents, following Pope Alexanders division of the non Christian Globe between Christendoms Kings, the theft of land, the compleat and utter destruction of culture and the fact that in coutrys like the USA , Australia & New Zealand those conquerd still today live as beggars on their own land, Islam would seem a mere apprentice , whereas those following the cross have attained mastership in this field.
"In the 30's Germans were made to believe it was getting to late to stop the Elders of Zion from hijacking their culture and rushed their Jews iof to the gas chambers. But even Germans can learn."
Idiots like you show they haven't learned a thing, they've only gone from one extreme to the other.
In the 1930s, the Germans believed false accusations regarding the Jews. They believed Judaism had imperialist designs, despite the fact that Judaism never failed to maintain a quietist wait in exile till the day of return to Palestine. Jews never threatened their host countries, but the Germans believed they did.
Today, the Germans (and other Westerners, including Americans) disbelieve true accusations regarding the Muslims. They refuse to listen to the idea that Islam has imperialist designs, despite the fact that Islam publicly states so throughout all its doctrines, and its soldiers scream it out time after time (recall the Ft. Hood jihadist). Muslims are a constant threat to their host countries, but it's blasphemy (as Juan Williams found out) to even hint as much.
It's one of those ironic twists of history: Run the innocent, falsely accused to the ground, then watch helpless as you can't even mouth true accusations of the guilty. Cruelty to the merciful, then, after 70, 80 years, mercy to the cruel. Oh, what a tangled web we weave!
"Islam belongs to Germany."
Anyone who understands Islam could never say such a thing. The one who understands Islam knows that, in Islamic eyes, it is not Islam the belongs to some or other part of the world, but the world, entirely, that belongs to Islam. That's where you and all multiculturalists fail and cause others to fail.
it seemed to me, from reading Mein Kompft , that hitler's major beef with the jews was that they were mostly communists, am i i wrong on that ?
Actually, our German Muslims aren't cruel, neither do they threaten Germany. Where do you pick up such nonsense? Mr doctor is Muslim, my sons professor is Muslim as well as my tailor. The Turks I know have less knowledge of the Koran than I. And with US troops in Bagdad, Britisch troops in Basra and our German troops in Kabul, Islamic world domination would not seem to be an imminent threat.
Why should Germany, or any other Western country, go making Zionism's or ziontruth's problems with Islam their own problem?
"Actually, our German Muslims aren't cruel, neither do they threaten Germany … The Turks I know have less knowledge of the Koran than I."
Ahhhhh, what an insight, what a great insight! (In no sarcasm whatsoever.) You just pointed out the fact that, wherever we find Muslims who don't do the usual Islamic stuff, it's because they don't take their religion seriously.
But that can change. You'd better hope the Turks you know don't learn what you still know better than they.
"And with US troops in Bagdad, Britisch troops in Basra and our German troops in Kabul, Islamic world domination would not seem to be an imminent threat."
Western troops in Iraq have no relevance to the advance of the Demographic Jihad inside the non-Muslim states. (That was Bush II's great mistake in deciding to take the war outfield.)
"Why should Germany, or any other Western country, go making Zionism's or ziontruth's problems with Islam their own problem?"
A great inversion. It is only because of Israel that Islam is on the onslaught now and not decades earlier. Israel had kept the Muslims busy for quite a while. To think Israel is what has brought the Islamic threat to the West is like thinking the lightning rod brings the lightning.
Western troops in Iraq have no relevance to the advance of the Demographic Jihad inside the non-Muslim states. (That was Bush II's great mistake in deciding to take the war outfield.)
Nonsense. Immigrant birth rates align into mojority birth rates within few generation. You confuse European immingration with Israeli occupation.
It is only because of Israel that Islam is on the onslaught now and not decades earlier. Israel had kept the Muslims busy for quite a while.
Nonsense. Israel bombed the Western British out of their mandate and then helped the USA keep Communism busy way into the 80's , funding and supporting Hamas Islamists against Arafat's forces, like the US funded and supported the Soviets in Afghanistan. No talk of values or womens rights then. Islamists were rightous men, defending their faith agains an atheist empire of evil. The islamobhobic band waggon hit the road decades later, with its "sudden" awareness of Europe's demographic jeopardy.
Europe must not let its domestic policys be hijacked by the Judeo-Christian Crusaders.
"Immigrant birth rates align into mojority birth rates within few generation."
Mark Steyn responds to this fallacy exactly. Even if the Muslims' birthrates fall to secular levels, it'll be only after the low birthrates of the indigenous have made them a minority. As Steyn says in America Alone: "Demography is a game of last man standing."
"You confuse European immingration with Israeli occupation."
I never mentioned Israel in this context. Thank you for revealing what's inside your mind.
"funding and supporting Hamas Islamists against Arafat's forces, like the US funded and supported the Soviets in Afghanistan."
This is no refutation of my thesis that Israel kept Islam busy.
To address it directly: We know in hindsight that these pragmatist decisions by both Israel and the U.S.A. in the 1980s were mistakes in the long run. We cannot expect people to have prophetic vision, however.
"The islamobhobic band waggon hit the road decades later, with its 'sudden' awareness of Europe's demographic jeopardy."
Could have something to do with the fall of the two towers, you know. But no, gotta pull out the "Islamophobia" card.
"Europe must not let its domestic policys be hijacked by the Judeo-Christian Crusaders."
Europe has much more to fear from Marxist wicket-gate-openers like you. Never so dangerous an enemy as the traitor within, giving aid and comfort to the invaders from outside.
Europe / Germany's current challenge is abandoning its role as a vassal to the US and US interrests :
Consolidateing the European Union as a independant world power
Separating european economies from the US finance mafia.
Establishing an independant European foreign policy.
Realining Trans-Atlantic relations should lunatics like Palin and her Tea Party ship of fools gain control in Washington.
As you can see. Solving the problem of a few immigrants is the least of our duties at the moment.
"Europe / Germany's current challenge is abandoning its role as a vassal to the US and US interrests"
That's going to happen soon, but not because of your ramblings, and not in the way you like. It's going to happen soon because the U.S.A. is going broke, too broke to support Europe anymore, because in November 2008 it elected a president that wants the U.S.A. to follow the same disastrous Marxist economic policies that Europe has followed. If the effects of those policies are being felt in Europe only now (Greece, France), it's only because the U.S.A. can no longer cushion them with support money.
"Consolidateing the European Union as a independant world power"
More accurately, kissing the sovereignty and liberties of the European nation-states goodbye. You're going to find the E.U. a worse empire than you have ever alleged the U.S.A. to have been.
"Establishing an independant European foreign policy."
You and what army?
"Realining Trans-Atlantic relations should lunatics like Palin and her Tea Party ship of fools gain control in Washington."
The only ship will be the shipping back of the Region 1 DVDs Obama gave the Queen of England for a present. I'm not giving that example for the sake of it, but because it epitomizes trans-Atlantic relations under the current president.
"As you can see. Solving the problem of a few immigrants is the least of our duties at the moment."
Yeah. I can believe Marxists like you. Or, alternatively, I can believe my lying eyes (news as reported by non-Marxist Europeans).
I don't really care. Your continent, your business. But since you seem to have bought into the "Muslims Are The New Jews" line, I considered it my obligation to offer a correction.
Of course you "don't really care" about Europe. Why should the preservation of an obnoxious " German Culture" suddenly become conservative America's agenda? The object here is the consolidation of the Islamobhobic ranks and the gathering in of supposed allies.
But Europes Islamobhobic train left the station long before the US' bandwagon even entered town. Merkel's remarks spotlight a political diskussion that has been well underway in Europe for nearly a decade now. We've been through "Headscarf", "Mosque", "Minarette"…etc. We've had Wilders, LePen, SVP, BNP, DF…..etc. Its a legitimate political diskussion and veeryone gets their fair share of coverage. But in the end, I think Europeans are to educated to fall for this "religion of evil" and " Islamic takeover" mantra. Perhaps we need a few decades of Fox News misseducation before we can generate a true "Tea-Party" spirit over here.
Armes auslaenderfreundliches Kind!
European populations ,which refuse to replicate themselves, will disappear.It may already be too late to reverse a trend toward what now seems inevitable .The only hope,and it may be futile, is to encourage, with financial and social incentives,the emigration of compatible populations,the return of incompatible immigrant populations who came to feed off the land and make of it an extention of the land they left , the institution of financial and other incentives for the native populations to grow and penalties for those who refuse to participate.
wih life you have hope 1000 years ago 60 percent of the european disappeared but within 600 years the white race owned the world it can happen once more and for the good of all it must happen.
It couldn't happen to a better people than the Germans….!!!
According to German "sociologists" then, all disgraces befalling Germany were the Jews
fault and aren't Jews living in Germany called the SCHWEINEN ??
Perhaps bicycle riders too, as the Jew answered the German aristocrat played by Jose Ferrer in SHIP OF FOOLS…
As the proverb says, better disallow vices on time than vices remove and Germans should have visualized this situation earlier.
May I remind Germans and readers as well that not ago there were bloody clashes with
these Turks ??
But peoples and governments still stick to the fooolish notion of Islam being a "religion" of peace….
Perhaps that of the cemeteries or common graves but peace as such….
NIEMAHLS !!!
world war two been over for always 70 years the evil that happened inside germany was also going on in old mother russian and poland and england and in many ways here inside the USA And understand it was not onlyJews who happened to be killed but 6 million other people but before Hitler got power many nation state played with Multiculturalism and the ideals of sanctuary for the worlds poor. the funny thing is hitler was setup by the same monkey ideals who setup obama.
What islam is doing in Europe is a systematic take over by Demographics. They have already implemented Sharia Law in England. They block the streets in Paris while praying. They have areas in France where the police will not even go. None of this is reported in the MSM. The are bankrupting France and Germany with their hand outs (The Dole). They are implementing the same procedures in America.
"Assimilation refusal is the first seed planted to overthrow a Nation. Any Nation accepting Assimilation Refusal as politically correct will eventually no longer be its own Nation"
American Christian Infidel
Michael Canzano
Michael can see facts thank you.
Good thing Chancellor Merkel does'nt work for NPR, she would have gotten canned for saying that……
The lesson I derive from this and other iterations of the fact that "multiculturalism" is pernicious, is necessity of denying and preventing development of communal autonomy among immigrants. Immigration to any country is not a right but rather a privilege, and privileges come with a suite of responsibilities corresponding and countervailing: The first responsibilities of the immigrant are acculturation to the host society, and renunciation complete and entire of previous State allegiance in favor of allegiance to the host country.
Now how any country would go about contracepting the development of parallel communities, I do not know.
It isn`t all immigrants who won`t integrate, it`s those who are muslims mainly from muslim countries!
The problem also is the religion and ideology of Islam which forbids them to integrate!
Islam is a death cult and instructs its followers to despise all who are not muslims especially christians and jews!
They only pretend to your face to tolerate you but in their hearts they have been indoctrinated to dislike you because of their belief!
Finally Europe is starting to undestand that Islam is a great threat to Europian secular states. The first line of front in this battle was in Russian Chechnya. If Europians had been smarter they would observe situation there in 90th and provide Russia full support. And now they got what they got. Thanks to multiculturalism and their stupid fears about "evil Russia".
We should be fearful about Russia! It was Russia that supplied Iran with it's nuclear program and is providing them with sophisticated weaponry. They are also helping arm Hugo Chavez the self proclaimed leader of the anti-American alliance. Vladamir Putin is a fascist thug who's bloodthirsty quest for more power is going to ruin what's left of democracy in Russia. Plus this man has an idiotic agenda to islamize the country. Sorry but I think the fear is justified!
You forgot to say that his is a Sith Lord and drinks baby's blood.
thank you Bear from Russia my brother worked in moscow for many years he saw the attacks on people.
Several years ago 2 my friends were in a tourist trip in New York. At night they walked to the park and were attacked there by several black men. So what?
Its funny how we are trying to be like the rest of the world while the rest of the world is trying to be like us. Why are we so desparate to destroy ourselves?
Very good article, but it is a statistical misreading to say that the critique of muslim immigration in Europe is part of the same phenomenon as rising antisemitism. Antisemites are 99% the muslims, the europeans currently sleeping with them(which is most often people incapable of functioning in normal society) and then a tiny fraction of left wing extremites who have a very puzzling way of dealing with facts. Antisemtism rises with rising muslim population.
(But, yes, the current trend to delegitimize Israel is very, very worrying).
Antisemitism is not a rising phenomenon among ethnic Europeans. You should sofisticate your statistical interpretations or you will misunderstand the entire nature fo what is happening here….
Muslims will never assimilate. They will take over their territory in which ever country they go to. The Saudi's are sending these people all over the world and paying for them to open Mosques in every little nook and cranny which than turns into a grand Mosque with the support of Muslim charities.. It is a grand scheme to take over by overpopulating in those areas as well. Once attaining that objective, they demand Sharia Law and accommodations to their way of living not the other way around. They never really adopt any Constitution or law which is contrary to their religion which is the deciding factor in whatever they do,politically, financially morally etc. It is a totally encompassing lifestyle with Islam their guide first and foremost. You don't see any moderates speaking out against any Muslims as they fear of being shunned by their families or attacked. I admire the guts of Merkel in saying what is surely on the minds of many countries leaders who are afraid to say the words of truth she has spoken.
Strange hearing this "assimilation" into a "dominant culture" nonsense coming from the US, with its "Little italys", "Chinatowns" , Brooklyns Jews still running around in Easter European 1800 century garb and half of the cab drivers sporting incomprehensible pigeon English. Why should the muliculti the US readily accepts suddenly become a "problem" concerning Germanys Turks, of which the grat majority are Alwiten, one of the most secular oriented strain of Islam?
And demographic takeover? Nonsense. At the moment, more Turks are leaving Germany than entering, and the birthrate of those here is aligning in with local figures, with young turks more interested in BMW's and discos than Moques or Allah.
The best place to start is by stopping all Muslim immigration to both Europe and the US. At least until Christian Churches are built throughout Saudi Arabia. LOL. That will probably take at least 1000 years.
A recommendation to all …Please read PATRICK J. BUCHANAN'S book – DAY OF RECKONING. Many people do not like him, but he does raise some very, very interesting points to consider.
Dennis / Tampa
Anti-Semitism was a creature created by Christendom, not by Faschism. Some Faschists merely utilized the millenium old fears, suspicions and recriminations against Jews the Christian churches preached their flock, if they saw a political gain to be had by rendering their Jew , in best Christian tradition, as scapegoats.
But I'm sure most Jews will be delighted to learn that Faschism actually had a excellent record regarding their treatment.
Ooh, deleted! Well, Crackerjack, unless you are a moozlym, you are an infidel. Your head on a platter will satisfy a moozlym just as much as one of a Christian.
Really? The moozlyms are leaving? Praise Jebus! A society without moozlyms is like a day with sunshine!
did the moozlyms crash you economy, steal your pension, make you redundant, reposses your home, embezzel the nations wealt and send you of to die for a lie? Islam may be a pain in the a++, but at the moment it would seem the least of our problems.
Crackerjack….. I suspect you are a Muslim masquearading as a non-Muslim. If you are not a Muslim, you probably need a brain transplant(preferably that of a non-Muslim killed in the numerous atrocities Muslims have done to non-Muslims) so that you actually have the logic to grasp that terrible evil called Islam. All that political-correctness have made you a fool. Smart but foolish. That can be said for most of those liberals in the West. If the West persists in this folly, they deserve Muslim subjugation because they refused to adhere to that very natural and human thing called self-preservation. By the way, I am a non-Muslim living in a Muslim-majority country- and I have first hand experience about their infernal 'religion'. Crackerjack – you are a fool.
I spent years in muslim countrys and had mostly good experiences. On the other hand , my wife an I were spat upon and our car damaged chanceing into Jerusalems orthodox Mea Shearim suburb during a sabbath.
Hmmmmm, Muslims are moving into traditionally non-Muslim areas, overpopulating them, subjugating the rest of the population to their traditions and laws? Sound like a page taken out of the Christian playbook. Superstitious people of any stripe are willfully ignorant and irrational.