Americans are not fools; they saw that the desperate Governor of New York David Paterson proposed a public land somewhere else for the mosque but the proposal was declined. Americans are also watching the Tsunami of protests from the majority of their countrymen, which include Muslim and non-Muslim victims of 9-11, Muslim Americans, Muslim organizations in America and beyond — including the Muslim Canadian Congress and the Bangladesh Jamate Islami falling on deaf ears and hardened hearts.
Such deliberate and destructive interfaith actions reduce our interfaith dialogues to fraudulent lip-service in the eyes of non-Muslims. No matter how sweet the proponents of the mosque talk, constructing a building at the cost of peace shows a dire lack of wisdom, sensitivity and far-sightedness on the part of our Islamic leadership. New York already has 30 mosques and nothing special or new can be achieved in that proposed building. Furthermore, Dr. Ali Aliyami of the Center for Democracy and Human Rights in Saudi Arabia, Washington, said it correctly: “Building of the mosque next to Ground Zero will send the wrong messages to terrorist groups and autocratic and theocratic Muslim dictators.”
Our Muslim identity, dignity, safety and rights are not toys for our religious leaders to play with. In recent years, the image of Islam and of Muslims has suffered badly for their wrong actions. The issue of the Ground Zero mosque gave them a perfect opportunity to restore our image and to show Islamic tolerance to peoples’ opinion; they still have time to grab this opportunity. If this pawn on the chessboard of politics, ego and money-game is built, it will be ceaselessly cursed by the majority of Americans — including a portion of American Muslims.
All mosques are not Islamic either. That is why God warned our Prophet about such a mosque (The Quran 9-107) and the Prophet destroyed the “Mosque Al Zarrar.” Our leaders must learn also from the Hudaybia treaty in 628; our Prophet and his thousand followers had every right and strength to perform the Hajj but for the cause of peace, the Prophet sacrificed it along with the two most important tenets of Islam on that written document. That saved two warring people from bloody battle and Muslims gained much the following year.
The mosque at Ground Zero, if constructed, will become a permanent liability for Americans — and for American Muslims even more.
Hasan Mahmud is an author, playwright, director of Sharia Law and former president of Muslim Canadian Congress.
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What does a director of Sharia Law mean?
Spare me your indignation. I'll believe you when you stop following the commands of the wicked Muhammad.
With all due respect Hasan, you sound like a reasonable fellow, but almost all the social pathologies that afflict your ummah are derived from your religion. It's an incongruity to repudiate Sharia and yet still cling to your Muslim identity. Isn't it time for such a seemingly enlightened man to end his "submission" to the contrivance of a 7th century, illiterate Bedouin.
It is called "Cordoba House," after the town in which Mohammedan Islam announced its victory over Roman Catholicism. This mosque is more than just "The Mosque at Ground Zero," it is "The Victory Mosque."
With all due respect–your religion is based on the rantings of a degenerate pedophile. Nothing will change that, ever. Nothing that came from the wicked mouth of Muhammad was sacred or holy, only evil. He was either the spawn of satan, or simply insane and wicked. No calls for "tolerance" will change those facts. Muhammad was an evil loser, and his followers deserve to be mocked and ridiculed as the losers they most certainly are. Nothing good can come from venerating an evil man.
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RAUF'S CNN INTERVIEW, OR C-ordoba N-on N-egotiable
Imam Rauf warns that the suffering, anguish and turmoil that he caused because of his "mistaken" Cordoba House mosque will only worsen if the mistake is made not to build it at Ground Zero. For, says he, that would trigger an explosion of anti-American rage that would add to the body count of 9/11 and bring more tears to American families.
Now that Rauf is repackaging his mosque as a national security issue with US lives at stake will Obama reward him with Bob Gates' job as Secretary of Defense? That would ensure that the radicals don't win and that American ideals will triumph in the end. Salaam.
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Hasan Mahmud, after reading your article you restored a litle hope that
there may come a time when Muslims will tolerate all human beings with
all their different faiths and even atheists beside their own religion.
Don't kid yourself. Islam is false and unredeemable as a religion. No matter what an Islamic apologist says, the vicious truth of the Quran remains just that. If an apologist's Islam sounds good, then he is either lying or descibing a new religion.
While I applaud the authors sentiments I feel his misrepresentation of Muhammad or ignorance of the events he describes undermines his argument. For example:
"Our leaders must learn also from the Hudaybia treaty in 628; our Prophet and his thousand followers had every right and strength to perform the Hajj but for the cause of peace, the Prophet sacrificed it along with the two most important tenets of Islam on that written document. That saved two warring people from bloody battle and Muslims gained much the following year."
This version of the account completely ignores that Muhammad and his followers broke that treaty and proceeded to come back and conquer Mecca. Later a woman of the Quraysh, Umm Kulthum, hoined the Muslims in Medina; her two brothers came to Muhammad, asking that they be returned "in accordance with the agreement between him and the Quraysh at Hudaybiya" Muhammad refused and even gave a revelation to validate his violation of the treaty (Qur'an 60:10) Soon Muhammad was accepting men from the Quraysh tribe definitively breaking the treaty.
Later Muhammad made good on his promise to grant his followers "much booty" (Qur'an 48:19) by raiding Jews at Khaybar. This was the incident in which a fire was lit on the Jewish leaders chest until he gave out the location of his treasure. Later still Muhammad led his followers to Mecca for its' seige under the excuse that the Quraysh had broken the treaty, despite the fact Muhammad had broken it first, leading to the wholesale slaughter and expulsion of non-muslims in Mecca.
The only thing we can learn from the Hadaybiyya treaty is that muslim countries do not honor treaties unless they benefit them.
Well actually, muslims do not make treaties with unbelievers, whom they do not see as their equals: they consider us their subordinates, even if we are not aware of the fact
So they do not sign treaties with us – they grant us favours – as long as it suits and pleases a khalifa, but those can be withdrawn at whim.
Muslims therefore feel free to reinterpret the legal concepts and terms in the 'treaties' they seem to sign with the unbelievers. 'Peace' f.i. means only submission to Allah – not the state of brotherly love between neighbours who agree to differ, and who leave each other alone to each pursue his happiness as he sees fit.
Muslims are god's people, ' we' the infidels are not their equals, and so a muslim does not acknowledge any of the rights we hold self-evident.
The only reason muslims do not kills us all or take over our lands and possessions is because they know that they are not strong enough (yet.)
And because they always fight among themselves, of course. This world would instantly sink in war and mayhem once our own useful idiots have helped the muslims topple the USA and destroy our world.
Your description is fine except that Muslim nations do make treaties. Just like Muhammad did. They just break them as it suits them. As I mentioned in my comment. These are known as hudna (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&defl=en&q=define:Hudna&sa=X&psj=1&ei=FmGOTL-PJcGqlAf239XmAg&ved=0CBIQkAE).
"Our Muslim identity, dignity, safety and rights are not toys for our religious leaders to play with. " From an outsider's perspective, your leaders have been doing that all along – one would HOPE that individuals such as yourself, who SEE how they're being manipulated, would have the courage of their convictions to call the 'leadership' on their games.
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Dear Dr. Mahmuc:
This note, with the definition below, is being sent to you in response to your presumed claim to be a “Moderate Muslim” as per your FrontPageMagazine posting of 9 September 2010. If you are indeed such a person, then you will have no problems falling within the definition of “Moderate Muslim” given below.
“MODERATE MUSLIM” DEFINED
1.A person who makes a very public proclamation that s/he is a Muslim along with giving out his/her name, address, occupation and place of employment.
2.A a person who then makes a very public rejection and condemnation of all of the teachings within the Koran, Hadith, Sharia and other Islamic teachings which allow or encourage, and sometimes command, the use of murder (eg Killing anyone who “insults” Mohammed or the Koran), rape and enslavement, genocide (eg Killing all Jews), perpetual war with “unbelievers” until they submit to Islam, lying to and stealing from such “unbelievers” and the very inferior legal and social status given by Islam to all “unbelievers” and all women.
3.A person who then demands that all such teachings be stricken and removed from the Islamic texts noted above.
4.A person who then very publicly inks-out of a copy of the Koran all those verses which support the above noted, inhumane and anti-civilization acts.
Of course, you would be much more believable, as to your claim of being a “Moderate Muslim” if you would very publicly state the historical truths that Mohammed of Mecca and Medina was a murderer, bandit, liar and treaty-breaker and the sexual abuser of a nine-year-young girl-child.
Now, are you a “Moderate Muslim” or a standard-and-dangerous follower of the ideology called Islam with all of its differences in teachings from the Faiths of the Jews, Christians, Baha'i and Sikhs?
All you have to do is google this man's name to find out his position on Islam and Sharia.
Hasan Mahmud — the one who is the former president of the Muslim Canadian Congress — says Sharia is inconsistent with modern times, on this website:
http://www.freemuslims.org/about/bio.php?id=toron…
That's the main problem, sharia, and he's publicly against it, so he's okay.
Though I don't understand how an educated, ethical person can remain a Muslim, given everything we can learn about Muhammad from the core Islamic texts.
I just have to point something out. Christianity was started by a man who preached non-violence and respect for unbelievers. Islam was started by a man who not only preached violence, but led his followers to the wholesale slaughter of unbelievers. Now, which one sounds more respectable?
Of course, the founder of Christianity was one of the last Christians to actually practice non-violence and respect for unbelievers. Over the following 2000 years, his followers waged bloody wars around the world, forced conversion and plundered resources across Asia, Africa, Latin American and the Middle East. Most recently, of course, Bush said God told him to invade Iraq. Over a million dead since, all by the followers of Christ. History's a bitch, try studying it.
If only his followers over the subsequent 2000 years actually lived by his preachings. Alas, the opposite is what we call modern history.
Since the followers of Mohammed have killed over 270 million people over the last 1400 years and are still killing people today, what is that called?
Except a few countries, nobody receives immigrants at all. Now, say a Christian, or a Jew (or even an atheist) wants to immigrate somewhere. Would it make any sense for him or her to move into a predominantly Islamic country – even if it were possible!? (Saudis would shred his Bible right in the airport).
Then why do Moslems move into predominantly Christian countries with intention to remain Moslems? True, before restoration of Israel also Jews ought to move into host countries yet remained Jews. However, unlike Moslems, they had no other choice then. More importantly, they willingly integrated rather than demanded autonomy, and definitely did not plan to merge the host into any "Jewish califat"
So why are even "moderate" Moslems here?
well said!!!!
Thank you for the reasonable voice. I have a problem with the India story, however, which is that long before 1992 Muslim invaders slaughtered some 80 million Indians, raping and pillaging along the way, in an incredibly brutal centuries-long crime wave that really shouldn't be forgotten.
Moreover, while you make good points about how Islam seems to have gotten a "bad rap," the fact will remain that it was a VIOLENT, CONQUERING religion from the beginning.
Also, when you speak fondly of "the Prophet" as if he truly was some godly person, I can't help but wonder how you can justify in your own mind the facts that, according to the hadiths, Mohammed is depicted as having murdered hundreds, raped sex slaves, and "thighed" a six-year-old girl before beginning to rape her when she was nine.
You see, no matter how much you fight against the "extremists" – which is good – I will never hold Islam up in a positive light because it's just too grotesque on its face.
But thanks for trying.
I agree Muhammad did a lot of horrible things, and I don't understand how an ethical, educated person can remain a Muslim when one can so easily learn today about those things from the core Islamic texts.
No Dhimmi, What is your source that Mohammad "thighed" Aisha when she was six?
henry Crux:
Going on ten years now and the Huge 9-11 cavernous awe inspiring hole in the earth where the twin towers once stood, is still there – a perpetual memorial to the superiority of the Muslim Bible over American Democracy. Now, a beautiful HUGE mosque will be built on the edge of that Muslim-made Grand Canyon so that Muslim visitors from all over the world can climb up to the observation decks which are specially made to give everyone a view of what can happen to a country that dares to defy the clear warnings in the Holy KORAN that no infidel should trouble those who follow the only true faith in God that ever existed or ever will exist. On viewing the magnificent victory hole which will scar American forever, the Muslim viewer will be filled with glorious wonder and pride whilst the Americans will be humbled at the sight and realize the holy and mighty superiority of the religion of the Koran and the perfect faith of the only Chosen People of God – a mighty faith that laughs at death, and looks forward with absolute confidence to an eternity in heaven with co-habiting beautiful naked angels whilst enjoying watching the horrible agonies of all the non-Muslims suffering in Hell forever! But, right now, there is the great hole in the ground – you have to ask yourself, "why is it still there? How hard can it be to cover up this insult? Why has it not been done? How many big oil money bribes did it take to keep it here for the viewing delight of all the good Muslims in the world? A lot you can be sure – paying off American to sh*t can their national pride does not come cheap!
Oh when are Muslims going to come to their senses and give up this primitive and barbaric cult ? Oh when are they going to join and live in harmony with the rest of mankind ?
Finally! A Muslim who sees Americans as people and not insects to be stomped on. Much of the Muslim world may not want to hear this but we Americans are human beings too and have as much right to live as they do. The negative image of Islam will continue to exist in this country until more Muslims raise their voices against people like Bin Laden and their attempts to force their religion on this country.
For nine years now, some experts have been telling us, that terrorism has nothing to do with Islam. Today these experts tell us, that Koran burning in Florida will fuel terrorism. Could someone please explain to me how could Koran burning affect terrorism, if there is no connection between terrorism and Islam?
Nice try, Then please explain when the (false)Prophet says: 'He is not a false person who (through lies) settles conciliation among people, supports good or says what is good."
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Dear Sir,
All serious, reasonable muslims who have read the unexpurgated quran seriously and personally studied their "religion" with an unbiased mind have abandoned it as not being a religion at all. To quote one, "The trouble with islam, is islam" itself. Any reasonable person who has read it knows that it appeals to the base, carnal instincts of man who is the enemy of the real God in heaven.
All a person has to do is to pray with REAL INTENT to God, Elohim, to know the truth, in the name of Jesus Christ and the truth will make him free. It is that simple. The adverary, the devil, CANNOT deceive you – and, just as you know anything that is true, you will know the truth.
After all, when we arrive at that time, after death, when our probation and testing is over, we will know the truth. At that time we shall have our complete memory restored, ie., our life with God, The Father, and all of our earth life. Then we all shall acknowledge what is true. The comparison will make us judges of ourselves indeed.
Hasan Mahmud is a good guy. Blogger might want to read this anti-Sharia article written by Mahmud: http://www.ahl-alquran.com/English/document.php?p…
Hasan Mahmud, you made so much sense, you didn't sound like a Muslim to me. But I'll take your word for it.
Tell me something you muslim moron…while you're giving all this sage advice about moha-mad's cult which you were unfortunately born in … WHERE IS YOUR MOTHER AND WHERE ARE YOUR SISTERS RIGHT NOW ? are they at home sitting and wasting their brains and lives waiting for a MALE relative to take them out ? WHY ? because the cult of islam which they were unfortunately born in takes away their rights to do anything except breed murderers in the name of that invented-in-hate allah…. you idiot what about all the women born in islam? screwed for life. do you even know the purpose of the burkha ? it means women are nothing. nothing .nothing in islam. you fool..instead of yakking away at how great islam is you should be plotting yours and your family's escape from evil islam…you mother gave you birth …so think a little and free her and your sisters from that DEAD mad man's cult you are living in by default. THIS planet is lovely and sunshine and freedom is their birthright. for once in your life do something right. GET UP AND GET OUT OF ISLAM NOW!!! be cool.
IN A CORE ISLAMIC TEXT, MUHAMMAD ORDERS PEOPLE BURNED UP IN THEIR HOUSES, FOR NOT COMING TO PRAYER:
In Sahih Bukhari, the most canonical hadith collection:
Volume 1, Book 11, Number 626:
WHY ISLAM NEEDS TO BE BANNED FOR MENTAL HEALTH :
IT IS NOT DRUGS THAT TURN PEOPLE REALLY INSANE..it is islam that turns people insane…. Islam is so bad for a human’s mental heath that to ignore this malaise is to invite mental retardation into your lineage after your life….
Maybe you should take your "tolerance" to Mecca and experience the reception… But stop endangering the future of my family with your pandering.
This is a 'religion' of the madhouse. Strait-jacket stuff.
A MODERATE MUSLIM IS SOMEONE WHO AGREES WITH YOU BEING BEHEADED, BUT DOESN'T DO IT HIMSELF.
FROM ONE OF THE CORE ISLAMIC TEXTS, A HADITH IN WHICH MUHAMMAD SAID THERE IS TO BE NO PUNISHMENT FOR MURDERING SOMEONE WHO INSULTS MUHAMMAD:
Here, from Sunan Abu-Dawud, a hadith collection considered canonical by mainstream Muslim scholars, is a hadith that shows Muhammad supporting the murder of a woman by her husband, merely because she used to speak to her husband insultingly about Muhammad:
Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 38, Number 4348:
There are other examples in the core Islamic texts of Muhammad having those who insult Islam killed.
MUHAMMAD, IN CORE ISLAMIC TEXTS, REJECTS RELIGIOUS PLURALISM
For example, in Sahih Muslim, a canonical hadith collection.
IN CORE ISLAMIC TEXTS, MUHAMMAD GOES TO WAR TO SPREAD ISLAM
In Sahih Bukhari, the most canonical of hadith collections, Muhammad said, Volume 1, Book 8, Number 387
In other words, Muhammad says that if you are non-Muslim, your right to life will not be sacred to Muslims, nor your right to property.
IN ISLAM'S CORE TEXTS, THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF USES OF THE WORD JIHAD ARE MILITARY IN MEANING
Bernard Lewis, the highly respected historian of the Middle East, writes on page 72 of his book The Political Language of Islam, that
Lewis also writes, on page 31 of his book The Crisis of Islam, that
Not sure what a "moderate" Muslim is. PM Erdogen famously said that "there is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam". The Son Of Hamas has a similar take hen he said "If you believe in the god of the Koran, you are a jihadi".
Your prophet was a murderer, a liar, a thief a rapist, and a pedophile. There is no moderate Islam. Only apostates and jihadis.
The treaty of Hudaibiyya is the perfect example of hudna from Islam history. Here's the real deal on that treaty minus the BS.:
"Woe is thee! It is not time for hesitancy, in this. Believe and Testify forthwith with the creed of Islam, or else, thy neck shall be in danger." Abu Sufian converted forthwith and returned to his people asking them to submit to Islam or else shut themselves in their houses to avoid definite death at the hands of Muhammad's army. Thereupon, Muhammad's army entered the city, captured the Ka'ba and destroyed the vestiges of idolatry and established the rule of Islam over the city ." – MA Khan
Hasan needs to read more- aside from a competing mosque Mohammad had destroyed a pagan temple Dhul-Khalasa belonging to the tribe of Khath'am called Al-Ka'ba Al-Yama-niya.
If the Roman Catholic church can abjure the errors in Pius the IX's Syllabus of Errors, and remove the phrase 'the perfidious Jews" from their Good Friday service, it is equally possible for Islam to chance. This is a matter of will. This things can be willed where will and power are one, and these reside in and with Americans of the Muslim faith. As did the Irish Catholics before you, who went from being traitors to this country in their religion's name, during the 1848 Mexican American war, to heroes on both sides of the American Civil War, so too may those who calls themselves Americans find a similar path to transforming Islam.
For Islam to change and become an acceptable faith it would have to invent a new Allah, renounce much of the Qur'an, nearly all of Shari'ah and cast its prophet into the fiery furnaces where he well deserves to be. When it had done this, there would still not be any verifiable evidence whatsoever for what little is left.
Gary Glitter, all is forgiven.
Write a book, get a few not so bright followers, and you have your own religion…simple!
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