The residents of South Sudan have voted almost unanimously in favor of secession. President Omar Bashir has said that he would react to the new country’s creation by modifying Sudan’s constitution so that Sharia is the only law of the land and Arabic the only language. The U.S. has a potential new ally in South Sudan, but the Bashir regime is now more radicalized and will try to undermine its neighbors with the help of Islamist allies.
Faith McDonnell, the Director of Religious Liberty Programs and Church Alliance for a New Sudan at the Institute on Religion and Democracy, told FrontPage that South Sudan will be a pro-Western secular democracy with religious freedom.
“South Sudan’s independence means that a people who fought against jihad and forced Islamization/Arabization have won. They have rolled back the plan to impose Sharia, they have refused to be dhimmis, at great coast,” McDonnell said.
President Bashir says that his country will now be based strictly on Sharia law, a move intended to appease the Muslim Brotherhood and other radical Islamic forces inside his country that have turned on him. His former ally, Hasan al-Turabi, was arrested shortly following the referendum after he said the government could be overthrown as has just happened in Tunisia. An estimated 300 supporters of al-Turabi protested his arrest and were dispersed by the security forces.
The internal opposition that the Bashir regime faces is forcing it to take an aggressive stance. A successful South Sudan will inspire the opposition that exists throughout the country, especially the youth who “hate the regime and want freedom and democracy,” McDonnell said. The Sudanese regime should be expected to undermine its new neighbor through the use of non-state actors and possibly direct confrontation.
Bashir has already said war would erupt if the tribes of the oil-rich Abyei Province declared they are joining the South. The province’s vote on whether to become part of the new country has been delayed because of disputes over voter eligibility and those disputes could result in fighting. The Bashir regime is also unlikely to allow the crucial province to leave. It has also warned of war if South Sudan harbors militants fighting in Darfur, setting up a possible pretext for confrontation.
Muslim unity? The Islamic government along with their Jackaweed henchmen are slaughtering thousands of "black" Muslims who just aren't Muslim enough according to their Jiahdist standards. Many of the rebel tribes are now unifying to fight the tyrants. This is what I predicted months ago. They should be amply supplied with the ammo needed to rout these barbarians.
LOL….is this some sort of JOKE ?
You're in way over your head, amused. Go back to Kos where the children try to impress each other.
Please "Wise " Gary From JOISEY " tell me how much you DON'T know about Sudan , so much so in fact , that you can't detect irony or satire ….in fact I wouldn't want the task of explaining it to you …….so you go girl and keep on rootin' for the "good guys " ……lol…..btw , where were you about 450,000 people ago .
-"GOD doesn't make stupid people , it's a choice they make "
I can see nations such as South Sudan being the hope of the future of Modernity rather than certain areas of Modernity itself, places where Junior is sick of having to listen to mum telling him to get a job and move out of the basement, high school having ended 15 years ago. In Africa last time I was there I met many persecuted Sudanese on the run from every government, hunted and hounded, and hoping for some relief and a place to sit in peace. Now that they have a nation of their own to defend, maybe others will take the initiative and do the same, in spite of Western Leftists aiding and supporting jihadis in terror and genocide campaigns against people who want to live decent lives in peace.
One, two, a hundred South Sudans!
And yet, Michael Scheuer, the former head of the CIA's Bin Ladin desk, insisted the other day on O'Reilly that supporters of South Sudan's independence are helping Al Qaeda because – apparently – a defeat for Islam will galvanize the Muslim world. This is the mindset of liberal appeasers who see our civilizational salvation NOT in standing up for ourselves, but in humbling ourselves at every turn so as to stay in the (imaginary) good graces of Muslims.
Southern Sudan's independence is a great victory for the anti-Jihad. There is no other way to look at it.
I'm looking at this from outside America, and I see it as a chance for people who appreciate Modernity in ways too many Americans and other Westerners do not: I have some idea of both the primitive Muslim culture of Sudan and the Modernist vision of America, having lived in both (i.e. in America and the north of Sudan). I prefer the Sarah Palin world of Modernity, as opposed to the laughing, sneering vision of 'amused' leftists who think Sudanese refugees do not deserve the good of life as we know it. For spoiled and stupid people living in the West with all its overflowing good that one can simply not even notice, life is so good that it leaves time for cynicism as a hobby shared among friends and an identity as an aristocratic poseur. Yes, I do become over-heated at times in my responses to them. I do too become enthused by possible alternatives to the status quo. I see this as one:
That Christians abound in South Sudan, and that oil is a curse for such people. It means that those who have a base upon which to build a Modernist nation of working people, somewhat like American immigrants, could instead be gripped by rent chasing, by the 'easy' lure of oil money, attracting thugs who rip and tear, who do not develop a nation in its social capital when the easy money just flows out of the ground. But. If we can look at the people as Christians, and if we can see that their fellow Christians are persecuted in dar al Islam as deeply as the Sudanese Christians, then perhaps we can also see a natural new meeting place of people and minds engaged in building. I'll pitch this idea again: that South Sudan needs social capital rather than money. That Christian refugees around the world need a place to flee to for safety, bringing with them their skills and values to a place that lacks them for the most part. I mean a Christian Zion in South Sudan.
I have much to write on this topic, but I'll save it for late.
I don't know if it'll ever come to fruition, but it's an interesting premise. Of course, it would have to be embraced by the South Sudanese themselves. But one would think, given the depredations they've suffered over the last 30 years, that they would avail themselves to Christian refugees, particularly those fleeing Muslim persecution in other lands.
A more potent obstacle would be the destination itself: Would refugees be at all interested in seeking a new life in such an impoverished, under-developed country?
Historical Determinism or, as Popper puts it so nicely, Historicism, is a poor attempt at religious or magical manipulation of the cosmic. It becomes a poliginous exercise doomed to totalitarianism and obscurantism. That much is almost Determined. The (magical) inevitable Forces of History, like Zeus, acting to affect the outcome of history is for others than heirs to Modernity, I think. So, true, we cannot know the outcome of anything in a meaningful historical sense, and certainly not the possibility of a Christian Zion in Africa. But we can ask and we can test this as a possibility in the world. I have no idea if it's possible in real terms. One would try and then see how or if it works.
The idea of a Jewish Zionism was anathema to many if not most Jews in the nineteenth century, and even into the 1940s was seen as infeasible. In fact, Herzel himself briefly abandoned the idea in favour of Jews immigrating to Uganda, a more pleasant place than the wasteland of Palestine back in his day. Who would go to south Sudan in the hopes of a better life? I would suggest that life in a hard place has its attractions to hard men and women. More, it might well appeal to those so oppressed that a place such as southern Sudan would be a better option than persecution by Muslims. There might not even be a problem with the locals welcoming an influx of foreigners and ethnic outsiders into a mostly tribal land. Christianity might have a strong enough transcendent value to allow overcoming the xenophobia of isolated Christian peoples. Maybe yes, maybe no.
Dear DagW , funny how presumptive such an idealist like yourself can become .What was that you said ? You are looking at this from "outside America " ?? Really ! But with oh soooo American eyes and ideals , indeed with a western rather than oriental mind ….that is you first mistake . NOT truly understanding what is driving the situation in the Sudan , which is islamic arab racism towards the black muslims , and anyone else for that matter , is your second . And Thirdly , and MOST ABSURD AND BIZZARE is your notion of va christian zion in South Sudan . Truly madame , you have no understanding whatever of the islamic mindset, indeed , the ethos which creates and perpetuates these situations ,so prevelant amongst muslim populations . . So before you go tagging me as a "leftist " or "rightist " for that matter …..GO DO YOUR HOMEWORK …… EARNEST .
I mostly don't respond to semi-literates such as yourself because when one shows a lack of awareness of conventions such as spelling, capitalisation, and punctuation it shows as well a disinclination toward the social in favour of a Gnostic personal that doesn't value other people. To not know of, or to not care to know of basics of written communication, a matter of two or more minds meeting, and to find one utterly contemptuous of the other/s, is to show there is no possibility of a meaningful or even an honest exchange. This isn't a case of unfamiliarity of formal English on the part of Amused but is a matter of contempt for others and an exercise in egotism that is pointless to address. The actual text, such as it is, is puerile. And should any of this prompt a response, which I suggest it needn't, a proper salutation will be to Mr. Walker.
Why, is that a threat Ms.DagW ?? Qiute a dance yo do with those fancy words , but I was rather more direct and succinct . Your conclusion regarding me and my statement is based in error and a gross misunderstanding of the Sudan situation , ergo you missed the satire , your notion of persecuted christians [mostlty by muslims ] should flock to this "new zion " is ludicrous, bizzar , and premature to say the least . And If I'm correct {AND I AM ON THIS } YOU MADAME CAST THE FIRST STONE , based on a satyrical remark , of which you knew neither the meaning nor vain in which it was said , but you did come to some b.,s. conclusion from all that LACK of information , didn't ya ? And to think with all that to say , you could have possibly known what you were responding to by simply asking , "what was meant by that " …lolol….but you were far more intelligent than to do that eh ? Go do your worst madame , and needst I tell you where to put that or any future threats ? With your longwinded and utopian statement , totally divorced from the reality of the situation , you failed to adress or recognize the true nature oif the conflict .
Scheuer is an absolute idiot. He didn't even have the part of the country correct, at least not according to the report I read. He was mixing up the South and Darfur. And he is an Arabist. I was appalled that O'Reilly had him on as the person to talk about the South Referendum. He should have had Walid Phares, who has the new book The Coming Revolution.
I Find it more than a little disheartening to discover that our President, who touts the preciousness of young life (Tucson, AZ 9 yr. old girl dies at hands of deranged madman), is the same person that has given a "waiver" to Northern Sudan of America's imposed ban on using Child Soldiers. That's right. They can continue to receive aid from US TAXPAYERS while using children as soldiers. Why would he do such a thing if he truely cared about children? Who would benefit from such a waiver? Who would consider using children as soldiers anyway? We all know the truth. Islam has no compunction to using children for its cause. The president knew this going in. How disingenuous can a person be until we call it evil?
THe islamofascist thug Bashir will use this referendum as an excuse to go to war, as if the south wasn't already at war with these savages. The south will exist only if they have the means to defend their freedom. This cannot be tolerated by the islamothugs in the north since this would lead to an eventual downfall of their regime. The US should arm them and encourage the oil rich provinces to join the south. This would lead to a confrontation with China that has sustantial oil interests and presence in those provinces. My bet is that the south will be crushed since our lily livered pres does not have the guts to defend freedom.
Not sure this will happen, Draza. It is always a possibility with the NCP, but so is unpredictability always a certainty with the NCP. Former Sudan Special Envoys, Andrew Natsios and Rich Williamson much more hopeful than this. Williamson very level headed and realistic about the threat of NCP. Great testimony at the House Foreign Affairs Committee hearing on Sudan last week.
More likely scenario than all out war is that they will work through proxies to try to undermine the Southern State. To prove that they aren't a viable state. But we, and others, can help to prevent that. And you are right that other provinces of Sudan should join the South, and many in those provinces feel the same way. But you say "oil rich provinces" as if the South is not oil rich. Most of the oil IS in the South, along with all kinds of other amazing natural resources. The South could be the bread basket of the world, if given the opportunity, and the right kind of investors/partners.
Sudan is the very front line in the war war between radical Islam andt civilization. It is a headquarters of the Muslim Brotherhood,and was the host of the Pan Arab Islamic Conference in the mid 1990's which hosted terrorist groups and radical regimes from around the world — the star guest being Osama Bin Laden himself. Sudan is far more significant to the radical Islamic world than either Afghanistan or Iraq ever were. If the Bush administration had not been listening so intently to the advice from its Saudi friends and CAIR (Muslim Brotherhood) advisors, it would have dealt appropriately with the head of the snake in Khartoum, rather than waste thousands of lives in fruitless efforts to squash its tail in Iraq and Afghanistan. Bravo to the Southern Sudanese for standing up to this jihadi snake. However, lIke the children of Israel enjoying the freedom of leaving slavery in Egypt, they still have many trials to face, including a very determined and brutal "Pharoah" and his IOC/Arab League backed forces. Abiyei and the Nuba Mts, could very well be S. Sudan's "Red Sea".
Mel, you are SO RIGHT. I hardly know anyone who is not Sudanese, even those deeply concerned about human rights in Sudan, who truly "get it" about Sudan's very critical role in global jihad. Thank you, thank you, thank you. I hope people who have some ability to do something read your comment. (AFRICOM??)
Thanks Faith, and so good to hear from you. Great to know you are still fully engaged in the battle. Keep up the good work. You're a mensch!
Faith: please may I correspond with you? We have a lot in common, mainly our interest in and aims for Sudan. Please send an email to me at aussudan@hotmail.com. I can't say much more here.
"Sudan is the very front line in the war between Islam and civilization." There, fixed it. Removed the "radical" part.
The only way to fix this is to make Mecca into a green glass radioactive parking lot.
Jihad defeated? Islam is still dominant! Wise up fool!
The special op's side of it needs to do a psyop mission first then insert in and do the mopp up job last.
South Sudan, might be a good place to build a few strategic military bases. It would offer a good place to crush Al-Qaeda in Somalia. It would also allow the Pentagon to put our friends the SOWDIE'S on notice. It would also be a good staging area for some strategic bombers and even a few strategic nukes. It would aid the local economy by offering employment to the local region in the form of contractors; plus vendors could sell their products to the US service members. But Most of all, it would put the fear of God into Bashir and his hoodlums who think Sharia is the way to govern.
All very nice, but can you see Obama, a Muslim-lover, helping south Sudan?
If we keep talking in terms of a fictional radical Islam, which implies that there is a fictional moderate and peaceful version of Islam that is not at war with unbelievers, as if there are two separate Korans and two separate Sunnahs, when the reality is the texts and tenets of Islam are immutable, which means there can only one version of Islam, then no one will ever understand the global jihad and the threat to the freedom of the world Islam embodies.
The truth is when GWB said that Islam is a Religion of Peace™ being hijacked by a tiny minority of radicals; it is clear that he was either naïve to the extreme or otherwise paid off. Whatever the case may be with respect to GWB’s mischaracterization, it is ludicrous and extremely self-destructive to continue perpetuating the political correct myth that there are two versions of Islam, one that is warlike and one that is peaceful. When the reality is there is only one version of Islam because there can only be one version of Islam and that one version of Islam fully intends to subjugate the world into Islamic totalitarianism via the imposition of Sharia as its main goal.
Likewise, there are only devout Muhammadans and apostates. There is no such thing as so-called moderate Muhammadans, as just like you can’t be a little bit pregnant, you also can’t be a little bit Muhammadan. You either are or you are not, because Islam requires total and complete submission to the will of Allah as a fundamental tenet of the religion.
In fact, the word “Islam” in Arabic means submission and the word “Muslim” in Arabic means the slave of Allah. Thus, in Islam if you are not a devout Muhammadan, it doesn’t mean that you are moderate Muhammadan. Instead, it means that you are an apostate that should be executed. Not only that, but there is no separate strain of so-called moderate Islam, as the texts and tenets of Islam again are immutable.
There is already way too much misleading misinformation about Islam being propagated by the so-called MSM. Hence, the last thing we need is for right wing publications to resort to the same kind of misleading deceptions.
I agree with you. There is only one Islam, but there are different kinds of Muslims. The truth is that in Sudan there are Muslims who agree with us, too. There are Muslims who do not want to be "Islamacized" or "Arabized." (They are kind of like Episcopalians, when it comes to Christianity, but in a good way.)
Islam was imposed on their ancestors hundreds of years ago in Nubia, Beja, Nuba Mountains, etc. and they have remained Muslim, but without following Islam and Mohammed in obeying the bloody letter or bloody spirit of the Koran.
They are my friends. I trust them with my life. And they will fight alongside South Sudan this time, if, God forbid, that should become necessary.
No, not really, at least where devout Muhammadans are concerned. You are talking about syncretic Muhammadans who combine a form of Islam with their local indigenous religions. In the eyes of devout Muhammadans, these Muhammadans are not Muhammadans. Instead, as for as they are concerned, they are unclean infidels, which is why they are being slaughtered in Darfur.
Again, a fundamental tenet of Islam is total and complete submission to the will of Allah, where in effect each adherent of Islam becomes the slave of Allah. Hence, unlike in faith based religions where adherents are able to question or even challenge the texts and tenets of their religion and also to freely leave if so desired, in Islam, on the other hand, those same actions would be considered blasphemous and apostasy, which are punished under the pain of death. In other words, you can’t be a little bit Islamic and therefore moderate, as in Islam you are either a devout Muhammadan or you are otherwise an apostate that should be executed. Indeed, since the main goal of Islam is to Islamize the world via the imposition of Sharia, it would be more than a little counterproductive if Muhammadans were allowed to freely apostatize at will.
Not to mention that in mainstream Islam, the jihad ideology, which is the obligation for all Muhammadans to wage jihad against unbelievers for the spread of Islam, couldn’t be more mainstream as it is not only taught and advocated by all sects within Islam, but also taught and advocated by all schools of Islamic jurisprudence in Sunni and Shi’a Islam as well. Hence, while you may consider syncretic Muhammadans to be Muhammadans, in the eyes of devout Muhammadans, on the other hand, they are considered to be unclean infidels.
Actually, the Darfurians have always been considered very devout Muslims, ask anyone who knows about Sudan. But when Khartoum turned against them, things changed. And it depends whether or not you are talking about the Massaleit, the Zagawa, or the Fur, for example. A rebel movement like the SLA is much more modern and secular. The so-called rebel movement of JEM, was sponsored by Turabi, for heaven's sake, so it is not secular, it is still an Islamist movement.
By the way, what you say about the syncretic Muslims sounds like what the Left says about the jihadists, "they're not real Muslims."
Yes, I understood that the Darfurian Muhammadans were particularly vicious and brutal during the North’s jihad against the South, prior to the comprehensive peace agreement. Nevertheless, we are not talking about the left’s perceptions or even your perception, for that matter. Instead, we are talking about the perception of devout Muhammadans, and in their eyes syncretic Muhammadans and the Darfurians Muhammadans have been declared takfir (un-Islamic), which means they are open targets because they are unclean infidels.
Everything you said is exactly right. There are not two Islams. We may be able to live on the same planet as these people, but not if we refuse to even understand them. People need to understand that being honest about Islam is not necessarily a vote for The Republican Party, that downplaying the seriousness of the Islamic threat doesn't necessarily make you one of the good guys. We need to stop making this a right-left issue. They are after us all, not just Dick Cheney and Sarah Palin!
In 2005 Bashir signed the comprehensive peace agreement for two reasons. First, for all intents and purposes the South had defeated the North, and second because Bashir feared the USA would oust him if he refused. 2005 was less than a couple of years removed from the US ouster of Saddam, and at that time Muhammadan dictators still feared the USA and what it might do.
However, those days are long over as the US has squandered away any deterrence it had deposited in the bank by wimping out via the fantasy based nation-building missions in Iraq and Afghanistan to ostensibly win the hearts and minds of Muhammadans and to lift them up out of poverty, despair, and hopelessness via the imposition of democracy.
Thus, when it became readily apparent throughout the Islamic world that the USA was still as incompetent as ever, all deterrence that was created in 2003 went out with the bath water.
Hence, today if Abyei, where most of the oil installations are situated, votes to join the South, jihad waged by the North will become inevitable. Not only that but according to Islamic Sharia Law, once land becomes a part of Dar al Islam, it must always remain a part of Dar al Islam. Hence, hot and cold jihad will become a permanent manifestation with respect to the South as long as it continues to exist, very similar to Israel and Kashmir, which also have been facing permanent jihads since their respective creations as well.
Furthermore, the existing Muslim population of the south will find no impediments to their activities or growth, as the south is committed to "freedom of religion" and will no doubt accept "refugees" from the north. Similar to all Western countries, south Sudan will have a Muslim problem within its borders, and you can imagine the help the southern Muslims will get from outside.
No country has the nerve to outlaw Islam or evict Muslims; this is the problem.
One of the guys above talked about putting some US presence right there in Southern Sudan. Now that's pretty smart I'd say! It is a lot smarter than trying to cosy up to Saudi Arabia or some other M-E nation where you are not 100% sure where you stand.
The economic benefits for S Sudan would be great too. USA – nuclear USA at that! The Muslims think the Americans are just crazy enough to use nuclear force if necessary.
Do you remember how "the fear factor" actually created peace with the USSR?
Now don't forget the Muslims are pretty much "crazy" too .. especially real Muslims.
But fear makes us all a little more reasonable.
Bashir can not let this stand or he will be assassinated. He will have Islamofascist allies from all Islamic countries. South Sudan has taken a courageous stand, rolling back Muslim rule. Will it receive aid to maintain its independence??? If it doesn't there will be genocide on an unbelievable scale. Will the UN step in. Doubtful. China is already of Sudan's side. Where do we stand???? Words of support!!!
I dont hear any …..[words of support that is ] ….nor do I see [ thank goodness ] any persecuted christians taking DagW up on her naive notion . ObamaYoMama 's got it down pat , and the islamic juggernaut is on a roll , but dont worry , soon it will be time for the west to stand or fall , those who are dhimmis , those who are ignorant or apathetic , or too engrossed in making their money , it's getting to late to waste time on educating them to the reality of the "true goal of the prophet ", which is encumbent upon , and behooves EVERY Q'URAN reading muslim to struggle [jihad] for .
Example : Pete King is already backpeddling on the run , before his little investigation gets started , CAIR's got him in their sights , so just look on in disgust , because that's about all that's gonna come of this .
oh , and PJG , you can get called alot of bad things for that remark , but you happen to be ABSOLUTELY RIGHT . Unfortunately by its ethyos ,doctrine and behavior , this cult in non-compatible with normal civilised human beings .
Phillipines , Malaysia, India , Indonesia , Kashmir , Chechnya , Nigeria , Egypt , Turkiye , Pakistan , Iran , Iraq , Thailand , Kashmir , Bangladesh , Tunisia , Yemen , Algiers ……..all persecuting non-muslims [in fact Sunni muslims attempting to OUTLAW open practice of Shia -Islam ! In Indonesia !! ] All places where bombs are exploding killing MOSTLY MUSLIMS , but also targeting christians , hindus buddhists , bahais , All mainly civilians , all perepetratred by Muslims .
Sudan the frontline ? Hardly , but only one of many .
Yes, there are a lot of us, Amused, who know about the persecution all over the world. The reason Sudan is the front line is because 1. South Sudan has resisted for so many years, has not become dhimmified, or completely wiped out, has spoken the truth about Islam; 2. Bashir, Turabi, Taha, others have all been it from the beginning of the Muslim Brotherhood, esp. Turabi. They are a, if not the, brain center of Al Qaeda. Nigerian terrorists have trained in Sudan. Sudan has sent jihad warriors to fight against our soldiers in Iraq. They continue to host Bin Laden. There is good reason to believe that the WMD's from Iraq are in Sudan, in Nubia. There are missiles underground in Sudan. (continued below).
They have played the game extremely well and continue to, but they didn't bank on a lot of things that are happening. The South has a good chance. It would be a better chance if we had a different President, one who wanted to fight for true freedom and stop global jihad and realized that the brave warriors of South Sudan are great allies. But we have not even availed ourself fully of the great opportunity that so many South Sudanese (and from other areas, Nuba Mts, Nubia, etc. as well) have given to us to be Arabic translators that we can actually TRUST
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"When Sanballat heard that we were rebuilding the wall, he became angry and was greatly incensed…He ridiculed the Jews, and in the presence of his associates and the army of Samaria, he said, 'What are those feeble Jews doing? Will they restore their wall? Will they offer sacrifices? Will they finish in a day? Can they bring the stones back to life from those heaps of rubble – burned as they are?'. . . So the wall was completed on the twenty-fifth of Elul, in fifty-two days….When all our enemies heard about this and all the surrounding nations saw it, our enemies lost their self-confidence, because they realized that this work [and the work of rebuilding South Sudan] had been done with the help of our God." from the Book of Nehemiah (encourager)
Many folks here are falling into the trap of thinking just because South Sudan has voted for independence and they don't want to be ruled by Islam that they are automatically our friend and will be led by a new George Washington. Sorry but, the US has been down that road before. Not just in Africa however, Africa is the most dissappointing. I say, wait a while until a stable government emerges (if it's allowed to by the North) For God's sake don't arm them as has been suggested. Aren't there enough AKs in Africa now? If problems persist put extreme pressure on the UN to act decisively. If that still doesn't work, the Bosnian solution on steroids, not the way Bosnia was handled. No PC wars with one hand tied behind our backs. Get in, get the job done with, what's the term, extreme prejudice? then get out. With all our weapons. Then they will be free to nation build and we'll see where that takes us.
I suspect a majority of southern Sudanese don't think they have fought against "rule by Islam" but rule by a bad government. They don't understand political Islam, they have not read the Koran, they think their nice Muslim neighbours are no problem and that a secular government is the answer. They don't understand that radical measures must be taken…(but then, we in the West don't, either). They are very surprised when I argue that the war was not simply about "resources", and many suspect I am a nutcase for being so against Islam.
The biggest weapon Islam has is that it is almost unimaginable that a "religion" could be so devious and savage. This goes for Muslims as well as non-Muslims; Muslims tend to believe Islam is benign.
Nick and PJG, I'm afraid you don't know much about South Sudan. PJG, you "suspect" wrong. The majority of South Sudanese DO think they have fought against rule by Islam and Arabism. They understand political Islam far better than we ever will, and have for years before it was even on the radar screen of the most erudite anti-jihadists in America. And Nick, no one is falling into a trap of assuming something that we don't know a lot more about than you give us credit for. This is not Iraq or Afghanistan. This time we do not have little wankers with degrees in Islamic studies advising the State Department that we should allow a new constitution based on Shari'a, as we had in Iraq and Afghanistan, in spite of the best efforts of folks like Nina Shea, Rick Santorum, etc. to fight against it. If we had helped the SPLA quietly, years ago, we may not have had the advance of global jihad we have now.
Ah well, maybe I was talking to lots of people who only pretended to be south Sudanese! Maybe I misunderstood all those clerics and politicians who said "We have no problem with Islam."
Do you "really" know what the majority of people think? If you have documented surveys, please oblige! I would love to be wrong on this score.
I wasn't writing about the "wankers", about which you correct. I'm refering to any number of supposed "good guys" that the US has backed over the years only to find out in the end that they were homicidal maniac dictators or some variant of that theme. Not to say that the current leader(s) of South Sudan are bad. All I'm saying is wait until things shake out and we have a chance to take the measure of those who step up. Mind you, waiting too long allows the Chinese to walk in with no regard for the leadership of the country , to buy up it's riches. There was a time when I would say I'm glad smarter folks than me have to make these decisions, however, I'm not so sure that they are more intelligent, as of late.
Well Shaw with you being a communist freedom fighter you should know since you're leading the fighters over there to size up some cocaine and some black tar hash.
Your records show that you been in CPUSA for about 15 years is that true Nicky poo @
Oink @
You're a communist mole acting like a Ronald Reagan lover.
Right……..oink @
South Sudan has been placed in a garbage can because of your communist death squad that you ordered over there to kill the leadership and the general population. Are you the new Ann Coulter on meth and a crack ?
Shaw as a communist mole that you are would you make love to Sarah Palin if you had 10 minutes to get it on with her.
Shaw when was the last time you kissed * Geroge Lincolin Rockwell's * picture ? One of your communist comrades said you do that every time you come home and right before you kiss you wife at bed time.
Not just "one of many". Khartoum is the headquarters for the Muslim Brotherhood, where the Pan Arab Islamic Conference was held in the early to mid 1990's which brought together radical Islamists and terrorist organizations (yes, I know they are one and the same) from around the world. Hassan Turabi is the spiritual head of this movement. The MB controls virtually every Islamic institution in North America (Read Muslim Mafia). Yes, there is Islamic terror and jihad perpertrated all across the globe, but the brains of the snake is in Khartoum (for the Sunni) and in Tehran (for the Shi'a).
Hey wait a minute , i hope no one here thinks the Tunisians , Egyptians , Algerians, or any other lot of protesting muslims are doing so for "democracy " , and yes sadly the Sudan muslims are no exception .North or South .We rescued muslims from those terrible Serbs in the Balkans only to have perpetuated monsters who would commit horrors as Beslan .We rushed to stave off famine in Somalia , indeed a famine directed by thugs for the worse , yet in the end we found ourselves fighting all the muslims in Somalia , good or bad . Muslims can not live beside any other people , unless those people are like-minded muslims .
I agree, Mel. I think they are cultural Muslims but, even without knowing it themselves, some of them at least are really Christians. One good example of that is a former top SPLA commander now political figure loved by Christians and Muslims alike. He was very happy that hundreds of Sudanese Muslim refugees were coming to faith in Christ in another country. He wants more of that to happen, but I think (I don't know for sure) he would still say he is a Muslim. (I will not be more specific because some of these commenters may be Khartoum plants, the way they are speaking and behaving.)
Yes, that's exactly right, Faith. I think I know to whom you are referring. The late Yusuf Kuwa was also one such "Muslim" commander in the SPLA. He was a good friend of mine and did a lot for the Christians in the Nuba Mountains….which made him anathema to the jihadi clique in Khartoum, which actually went on rampages burning down the mosques of the moderate Muslims there. How dare they get along with Christians!!!!
Now the Arab League/OIC backed Khartoum junta is arming and aiding the janjaweed in Darfur, doing the same thing to the Muslims there. Clearly if you are a "moderate" Muslims (meaning you try to live in peace with non Muslims), you become a target for the insatiable jihadi killers.
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