Technology which the Muslims now have also. But it can be done even without such technology. The Rwanda genocide (1994) was done using nothing but machetes.

As for being civil and civilized, the Muslims believe they're a civilization; hippies' infatuation notwithstanding, they certainly don't see themselves as carefree savages. Their savagery stems from the license their religion gives them.

"In fact,the Diaspora who occupied Palestine are likely closer in many ways to the German people who carried out the Holocaust then are the Palestinian people you fear and accuse."

You're out of your ever-lovin' mind. But we knew that already, so thanks for reinforcing that point.

"Personally,I think both Jewish (Israeli) and Arab Palestinians could live together in a single state or side by side."

Personally, I know they can't. I know because it hasn't worked even for peaceable neighbors (like the Flemish and the Waloons in Belgium), so there isn't a snowball's chance in hell it's going to work for sworn enemies like in Palestine. As Steven Plaut says, the One-State Solution is a Rwanda Solution.

"Either way,it will happen someday."

No, the Arab invaders will be booted out of Palestine, and will have to make do with the few states (more than 20) and little territory (North Africa, the Arabian Peninsula, Syria, Iraq) they have right now.

"The alternative is unacceptable."

No more unacceptable than the expulsion of the Sudeten Germans in 1945, after the end of WWII.

Nope. Israel = indigenous Palestinian resettlement. It's Israel's enemies who believe in the "Muslim Man's Burden" of bringing it the "light" of shariah rule.

"As much as we may like others to 'stew in their own juice',ziontruth,the world is much too small and interrelated today to allow that attitude to become the norm."

The world is the same size as it has always been. The only thing that's changed is the adoption of Marxist lies like "We are citizens of the world" and "It's a global village." Give those ideas a miss and the world is pretty much as it has ever been.

"I'm sure there were those in influential positions who voiced a similar opinion or sentiment when they learned of the fate of Jews in Nazi enslaved Europe."

Me, the only ones I truly hate for this attitude are the British, as they closed to Jewish refugees the one land that was actually theirs. I can lament the other states' hard-heartedness, but it is Britain that truly enrages me, to this day. Britain denied millions of Jewish refugees their life by denying their birthright, and you do the same with your assertion that the Land of Israel belongs to a nation other than the Jews.

So who is really ungrateful muchiboy?

The Palestinians were not "defenseless victims". They were "surrounded by friendly nations who took up arms in 1948 for their cause and who offered them sanctuary". In contrast, "Jews were not surrounded by friendly nations that gave them refuge, or suppied them with armies and arms to defend themselves." The Jews literally were "abandoned" by the world.

Any Palestinian suffering is self-created. To draw a parallel between Palestinian self-created suffering – losing land, not being allowed to resettle in neighboring Arab states – and Holocaust victims is "absurd and repugnant." Recall, during the Holocaust, Jews had "no options." While Palestinian Arabs could have stayed in Israel, as 150,000 of them did, and become citizens of the Jewish state, Jews had NO recourse. Jews did not just lose their homes: "They were dispossessed, enslaved, tortured and 6 million were slaughtered, 2/3 of European Jewry."

Palestinians have been organized and have had the support of Arab nations since the 1920's. They could have had a state many times (1937, 1947, 1979, 2000), but each time rejected compromise, and instead chose war, violence and genocide to destroy the Jewish state and steal all of Israel. Jews were never hostile to Germany. They were an integral minority in German society. They did not seek the genocide of the German people.

Your claim is absolutely ludicrous. The Nazis’ objective was the systematic extermination of every Jew in Europe. Israel is seeking peace with its Palestinian neighbors. More than one million Arabs live as free and equal citizens in Israel. Gazans are governed by Hamas and the W. Bank Palestinians are governed by the civil administration of the Palestinian Authority.

Nothing that has befallen the Palestinians under Israel’s control may responsibly be compared to what befell the Jews under Germany’s control. The absurdity of the charge is clear from the demographics. In Gaza, for example, the population increased from 731,000 in July 1994 to 1,324,991 in 2004, an increase of 81 percent. The growth rate was 3.8 percent, one of the highest in the world. According to the UN, the total Palestinian population in Gaza, the West Bank, and East Jerusalem was 1,006,000 in 1950, 1,094,000 in 1970, and grew to 2,152,000 in 1990. Anthony Cordesman notes the increase “was the result of improvements in income and health services” made by Israel. The Palestinian population continues to grow exponentially.

Wrong, the Palestinian Arab leadership were active collaborators in the Nazi Holocaust against Jews and became allies of Nazi Germany.

The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem (Haj Mohammed Amin al-Husseini), the political and religious leader of the Arabs, organized "Nazi Scouts" based on "Hitler Youth." In 1936, the Mufti led orchestrated violence against Jews killing over 1000 Jews and other political opponents. The Nazi regime in Germany and the Italian fascists supported the violence, sending millions of dollars."

In addition, the Mufti worked strenuously to prevent European immigration to Palestine so Jews could escape the impending terror against them. Hundreds of thousands, if not millions of Jews were killed in Europe because the Mufti lobbied the Nazis not to allow them to emigrate. Adolf Eichmann, the architect of the "Final Solution", visited the Mufti in the holy land and they worked together. The Mufti visited Auschwitz and hoped to bring a similar method to the Middle East. In fact, the Mufti recruited 20,000 Muslim volunteers for the SS, who participated in the killing of Jews in Croatia and Hungary.

Yasser Arafat was the Mufti's protégé, and under the Mufti's tutelage, received training from a Nazi commando.

You mean like how America has promised half a billion dollars to the blood-thirsty Palestinians who have already promised to use the funds to murder more Jews?

Funny, considering that the Arab population grew and benefited because of early Zionist activities in the region during the 19th century. Interestingly enough, as the Jewish settlement developed in the 19th and 20th centuries, Arabs from outlying regions and from other countries immigrated to these areas because of the economic boom the Zionists had created. How were the Jews thanked? Oh that's right, TERRORISM and MURDER.

Even in 1948, the first leaders of Israel begged the Arabs to stay in their land and work in cooperation with Israel to rebuild the region. Of course the Arabs rejected this offer and chose a war of GENOCIDE and TERRORISM against the Jews.

Most recently, Israel has provided the Palestinians with literally millions of tons of humanitarian aid as well as economic and financial aid. How is Israel thanked? Palestinians inculcate their children with XENOPHOBIA, HATRED and actively murder Israeli children.

I guess the Palestinians really are ungrateful disgusting pieces of garbage, huh, muchiboy?

This coming from the racist corrections officer who constantly beats the war drum of genocide against Israeli Jews and Jews generally worldwide (diaspora – muchiboy loves that term).

Muchiboy, Israel cannot be considered a "white" nation by any sense. Recall, over 20% of Israel's population is made up of Arab Muslims, Arab Christians, non-Arab Christians, Druze, Bedouins, Circassians, Asians and others.

Eighty percent of Israelis are Jews of different ethnicities and races from Arab countries, Ethiopia, India, Russia, the former Soviet Union republics, Latin America, the U.S. and Europe. Refugees from Arab and Muslim Middle Eastern and North African countries and their descendants make up over 50% of the Jewish population.

At a minimum roughly 60% of Israel's population is made up of Arabs, Jews, Christians etc. that originate from non-European countries.

Of course, leave it to a racist Rhodesian to see the world only in terms of race and black and white. You are truly a disgusting and vile human being.

Israel?

" caving in to the environmentalist scam."

Hook,line and sinker.

"let the Muslims stew in their own juice."

As much as we may like others to "stew in their own juice",ziontruth,the world is much too small and interrelated today to allow that attitude to become the norm.I'm sure there were those in influential positions who voiced a similar opinion or sentiment when they learned of the fate of Jews in Nazi enslaved Europe.Never Again.muchiboy

Israel?

" caving in to the environmentalist scam."

Hook,line and sinker.

"let the Muslims stew in their own juice."

As much as we may like others to "stew in their own juice",ziontruth,the world is much too small and interrelated today to allow that attitude to become the norm.I'm sure there were those in influential positions who voiced a similar opinion or sentiment when they learned of the fate of Jews in Nazi enslaved Europe.Never Again.muchiboy

Agreed,joel.Had we acted so much sooner,the Holocaust may not have achieved the horrible dimensions it did.And we could have saved tens if not hundreds of thousands of Tutsi.On balance,I don't know if Iraq was wise,just looking at the numbers.Bush elder was perhaps the wiser of the two.Unfortunately for America,the home of the Brave and Free will always have to bear the brunt of such sacrifices.muchiboy

I know that the so called "Palestinians" are notable for their hate, their viciousness, and their complete lack of work ethic. They are to be shunned. After all, the rest of the Arab world shuns them. Why shouldn't the Israelis too? If they had one single positive attribute – just one – I might think differently.

Is there any little spat in any little country anywhere on this planet that doesn't make a Zionist laptop bombardier want to throw away our blood and treasure on it?

The Founding Fathers woud have had Horowitz and his meddling tribe of globocops exiled as traitors to the nation for getting us into so many tarpits.

This is Palestine we're talking about,ziontruth,not Germany.The most civil and civilized Europeans with the most technologically advanced society carried out the Holocaust,not the Palestinians.Your people have done as much or worse to the Palestinian people as they have done to you and yours.In fact,the Diaspora who occupied Palestine are likely closer in many ways to the German people who carried out the Holocaust then are the Palestinian people you fear and accuse.Personally,I think both Jewish (Israeli) and Arab Palestinians could live together in a single state or side by side.Either way,it will happen someday.The alternative is unacceptable.Both our peoples have suffered too much,too long,especially the Jewish people. muchiboy