The United States believes that negotiations should result in two states, with permanent Palestinian borders with Israel, Jordan, and Egypt, and permanent Israeli borders with Palestine. The borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps…. The Palestinian people must have the right to govern themselves, and reach their potential, in a sovereign and contiguous state…. The full and phased withdrawal of Israeli military forces should be coordinated with the assumption of Palestinian security responsibility in a sovereign, nonmilitarized state….
These words from President Barack Obama’s speech on Thursday are the most chilling message ever sent by a U.S. president to Israel, and possibly by any head of government to a supposed “ally.” It is often mentioned that, soon after the Six Day War of 1967, the then Israeli foreign minister Abba Eban referred to those 1967 lines as the “Auschwitz borders.” It is also often mentioned, as Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu did after his meeting with Obama on Friday, that these borders leave Israel all of nine miles wide at one of its most populous points.
Under Obama’s dispensation, Israel is left with these borders and no others. A “full and phased withdrawal of Israeli military forces” from the West Bank means no Israeli military presence in the Jordan Valley, stipulated as essential in all Israeli military assessments, and certainly not in the West Bank’s mountain ridge, where the 1967 U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff study, as well as a 1974 follow-up study by the U.S. Army’s Command and Staff College, also viewed an Israeli military presence as strategically indispensable.
Moreover, the two parts of the Palestinian state, the West Bank and Gaza, are supposed to be “contiguous,” a demand that Yasser Arafat used to raise in Oslo-era negotiations with Israel. A glance at a map of Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza reveals that demand as little less than astounding. There is no way to make the West Bank and Gaza contiguous except by some sort of passageway connecting the two, slicing Israel in half, creating a security nightmare and a compromise of Israel’s integrity and sovereignty such as exists in no country of the world and that Obama, it is safe to say, would not contemplate for a moment regarding the United States or any part of it.
Note also Obama’s use of “nonmilitarized,” which in the lingua franca is distinctly different from the “demilitarized” frequently used by Netanyahu. A nonmilitarized Palestinian state would probably be formally denied heavy weapons like tanks and planes, while maintaining ground forces of some sort (clearly necessary, at the very least, to maintain public order). Yet, apart from the fact that demilitarization agreements have a history of crumbling—let alone in the volatile and violence-ridden Middle East—even modestly armed Palestinian forces on the mountain ridge overlooking Israel’s coastal plain could make life intolerable for the country. They could do so by:
* Sniper fire. The West Bank terrain is so close to Jerusalem that snipers could shoot into Israel’s capital itself—as they did during Israel’s 1948-1949 War of Independence, forcing one-quarter of the Jews then living in the city to flee it, and as they did frequently from East Jerusalem into West Jerusalem in the succeeding years. Since the 2005 withdrawal from Gaza, sporadic sniper fire at Israeli farms along the Gaza-Israel border has created a serious security problem. In 2008 a volunteer worker at one of those farms was killed by sniper fire. West Bank snipers would also be well in range of major Israeli traffic arteries.
* Rocket fire. Whether openly perpetrated by a Palestinian government or by rogue—or subtly tolerated—terrorist forces, the 1967 borders entail a nightmare of vulnerability to rocket fire for Israel. Even cheap, homemade Qassams could reach, for instance, the coastal town of Kfar Saba, Jerusalem, and Ben-Gurion International Airport. In other words, even mere Qassams could create a strategic threat to government buildings in Jerusalem and to the airport, Israel’s only link with the outside world (not to mention shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles). As for somewhat longer-range Katyusha rockets, they could reach Tel Aviv, Beersheva, most of Israel’s airbases, and much more.
* Terrorist infiltrations. Although since the 2005 disengagement Israel has mostly been able to stop terrorist incursions from Gaza—though not always, as in the kidnapping of Gilad Shalit and killing of two other soldiers in the 2006 Kerem Shalom attack—the West Bank border is, again, vastly longer, more meandering, and incomparably more difficult to police. Indeed, from 1949 to 1967 when the West Bank was in Jordanian hands, the permeability of that border exacted a death toll from terrorist infiltrations for Israel.
If these problems are generally—but, as noted, not necessarily—on a tactical level, gravest of all would be Israel’s radical strategic vulnerability in the situation envisaged by Obama. Even a Palestinian state that more or less complied with “nonmilitarization” could allow—or be forced to allow—Arab armies from the east to traverse the short distance to Israel’s coastal plain, where a mere nine-mile push by a tank force would suffice to sunder Israel and put an end to Jewish sovereignty. Would Israel’s large, capable army be able to stop the invasion? Very likely not—because the bulk of that army consists of reserve forces, which require 48 hours for a full mobilization. An Arab force could cross the West Bank in much less time. Meanwhile the reserve forces rushing along exposed arteries to exposed mobilization centers would be subject to various forms of debilitating fire—very likely including missile barrages from states and terror enclaves bordering Israel.
It is inconceivable that, in Obama’s meetings with Netanyahu and other top Israeli officials since becoming president, these and similar points have not been raised. What is chilling to the bone, then, is that his words on Thursday reveal that they have made no impression on him. He either is so dominated by the notion of Palestinian victimhood that he cannot contemplate—despite the rather voluminous evidence to the contrary—Palestinians constituting a threat to Israel; or he does not care. Was Netanyahu, in his talk with him, able to bring Obama back to earth? There is no way of knowing. What is clear is that this is the time for Israel’s real friends to show their mettle by expounding the truth and effectively opposing the president’s designs.
Obama seems to want to destroy Israel.
The facts, the reality of capitulation to the Islamist death machine surrounding
Israel which is there to annihilate the Jews will not and can not be allowed
to happen. The price to Islam should be the Capital City of every Muslim
Nation that calls for the destruction of Israel, give to the Palestinians just
what they want to give to the Jews, that would be just. Obama is a vile man
and the true depths of his Leftist evil is yet to come, he should be removed
as President as all of his actions are crimes against America and freedom.
When thinking of Obama, think Nuremberg
I do think Obama bin Laden knows his time is over, there wont be second election for him, and he is trying to destroy Israel before his time is over!
I hope Israel never gets into that situation, but if it does, a nuclear mushroom cloud should be seen over the cities of Iran, Syria, Egypt, Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon. Israel may no longer be on the map, but neither will its enemies.
The real Antichrist is an American and yet many American preachers are saying that China is the Antichrist.
The antichrist is a person not a country
Kenyan moslem.
Thank you ObHamas.
Perhaps the UNited States should retreat to its pre 1865 borders . Perhaps the United States should go on a mission and tell every other nation on earth what to do, when and why….our arrogance and stupidity are part and parcel of the evident decline of this nation.
We are trillions in debt. Millions of Americans have lost their homes. Unemployment is sky high in most areas. We have passively allowed ten million illegal aliens to take up residence in the US. We are floundering around in Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq and shrugging off the horrible conditions in Egypt, Syria, Algeria and Lebanon….while we lecture Israel on how to commit suicide.
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Obama has noting but disdain for the Judeo Christian culture. He returned the bust of Churchill to the UK, and now spits in the eye, in the most public manner, of Israel. As our only true ally in the Middle East that has a true Democracy, equal rights, a fair and just legal system, women's rights, I shudder to think what will happen to Israel without the full support of the United States behind her. It is almost like throwing a baby into a pit with starving cannibals.
Obama and Clinton, et al are determined to make life a living hell for U.S. ally, Israel.
Obama's demand for tiny Israel to commit national suicide with INDEFENSIBLE, Auschwitz borders reveal Obama hates Jews as much as Hamas whose charter calls for Jewish annihilation. Obama and his administration lusts after a Second Holocaust of Jews.
If memory serves, the lands in question were CONQUERED by the Israelis! Since when does/should a country give back lands conquered in a military battle. This would be indeed unprecedented. The "Palistinian Problem" is a giant myth and a fraud. If these people were/are unhappy living under Israeli control, they should emigrate. Certainly, their Muslim brothers in surrounding countries would be delighted to welcome them.
The fact is that the Israelis have been more than accommodating to the Palistinians, whose avowed purpose is to annihilate Israel. For the Israelis, the Palistinians represent an existential threat. How would we feel if 40% of our population were Muslims whose avowed purpose is the murder of Infidels? I know how I would feel and what I would do about it.
Kerr Mujin
Yes! And not just somebody's lands "CONQUERED in a military battle": it is Israel's own land Judea and Samaria since beginning of times!
http://www.resonoelusono.com/DeclarationForIsrael…
" How would we feel if 40% of our population were Muslims whose avowed purpose is the murder of Infidels?" Kerr, just wait long enought and you'll get to feel it right here in the U.S.A someday…elmore
We will find out how it feels to be surrounded by our enemies when those illegals who want to "invade" and take over CA, AZ, TX and then the rest of the USA, and Obama or other liberal progressives will give them whatever they want.
Obama and his administration betrayed U.S. ally, Mubarak and empowered the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. Obama took the side of Cuba's Castro against brave, anti-communist little Honduras. Obama is stabbing Israel in the back. America and her allies have good reason to fear the American government. America's allies are betrayed. America's enemies are helped.
Obama and his administration have placed their TOP favorites, Muslim Brotherhood operatives in key positions of power in our government. The goal of the Muslim Brotherhood is the destruction of civilization and a global caliphate under Islamic Sharia law.
The Muslim Brotherhood are well on their way to achieving their goal without firing a single shot. Massively helped every step of the way with their powerful American sympathizers.
That picture of Obamafat is priceless, so accurate. Based on his own words, record and friends Obama obviously hates Jews as much as he loves the Muslim Brotherhood. I hope the ignorant that voted for this pathetic excuse of a so called leader repent and do what's right in 2012. He doesn't represent 5% of Americans now that everyone sees him for the socialist marxist jewaphobe that he is. Israel knows, if God is for us who can be against us?
I just can't believe this and to think that he is high in the ratings and that most likely he will be re-elected again!!! it just sends chills to my spine! I love this nation to death but see us going donw hill like this……is…..just….I dont know what to say. I am a proud American of Colombian descent but now I am thinking of leaving, if anyone is looking for a highly educated hispanic American, please tell me to what country send my resume (please not China, Russia, Palestine or any country in that "Arab spring")
This is a war on the Western way of life. Israel is the only the beginning and America is the last beacon of freedom. There will be no place to run.
Freedom is worth fighting for.
This obama Rat must really hate all ideals of freedom, he wants his own ideals of evil in place of freedom, he wants all jews dead or on the run from some monkey people, obama wants his own tribal rule over all laws of this land.
BS77 Said it all and here is a monkey judge telling Americans that the 4th amendment is in fact illagal. just keep a eye on obama he is about to do some evil to all people.
Well, what about giving East Prussia, Pomerania and Silesia back to Germany, or California, Arizona, Nevada, New Mexico and Texas back to Mexico? Ah, but that is different, isn't it? And not a word about the Chinese occupation of Tibet or the Turkish occupation of Northern Cyprus.
In the end game that is what obama owners want, a world of total madness with death on all sides listen to savage nation
obama is the false prophet of the Christian bible also known as the first beast(Rev 13:1). is one of the 7 (Rev 17:11)who is also the 8th the 8th being ruler of the NWO )(Rev 17:11). one of the 7 leaders over the 7 heads(Rev 17:9, Jeremiah 51:25) (italy france germany britan canada japan and united states) also the first beast aka the false prophet signs the treaty in Israel (Dan 9:27) 100% bible prophecy accuracy the rothschild aka second beast (Rev 13:11) are puppeting this islamic prophecy fulfilment to control the middle east. they going to use islam like they did hitler in world war 1-2 to further their new world order
Obama is Abass's assistant. Abbas was Arafat's second in command.
The PA charter still calls for Israel's destruction and they affirmed it in their last conference in Ramala not long ago.
The sad part is that even Bibi Netanyahu has been put in a spot to negotiate with a man that heads a terrorists group the PLO.
They still say, today, that the Palestinian state is only a step one in the final aim which is the destruction of Israel and the killing of the Jews.
Nothing have changed and nothing will, with the Arabs of the Middle East.
The only thing that changes and gets worse is the pressure on Israel to help in it's own destruction!!!!!!!!
Who are we(Americaie Obama) to think after 2000+ years of fighting, that we have the answer. WE CAN NOT afford to police the world anymore. The answer to our problems is, put up a NO VACANCY sign. No more immigration, all those with out legal status must be deported. No more imports, if we need it we make it. This will create a massive amount of jobs. Those on public assistance that are physically able must do community service of some sort 20hrs a week to collect their checks. Politicians no longer receive lifetime pension after one term, that is rediculous. This is all common sense something we are in desperate need of.
To Obama bin Laden, please remember this! Israel is not your vassal state, it is an independent nation that had been allied with you more than 40 years!. Have U.S ever ask one of your ally to cede it's border to it's enemy? and why now you'd think Israel will do so? stop day dreaming OBL!
Obama is our enemy but here inside the USA We have relinqush our own border and are about to hand over our own country to a foreign people and a foreign force without fighting for our own nation, so yes obama want's Israel to do the same madness.
I try to imagine the history book of the future – the entry for Obama. Will it be completely empty or will it state, in one sentence, "Even worse than Carter!" ???
We all know the answer. We are ignoring it. It is the reason we exist today and it will be the reason we survive till tomorrow. OR NOT
I'm admired at Nethanyahu finally putting his act together and telling the ANNOITED
ONE (as SEAN HANNITY calls him), the 1967 borders were out of the question since
ISRAEL was not going to commit suicide just to please his wishes…
After the "courtesies" OBAMA bestowed on him before, I doubt being in Nethanyahu's
shoes I would have been that "diplomatic" as I would have used the same language
Obama was used to back in CHICAGO… but then again, as an old proverb says, is
the reason why GOD didn't give horns to donkeys….
Disarm the Palestinians and there will be no more wars. Disarm Israel and there will be no more Israel!
Since everywhere the Islamic world, or the Dar al Islam – the realm of submission as the Muhammadans call it – borders the non-Islamic world, or the Dar al Harb – the realm of unbelief as the Muhammadans call it – there is hot and cold jihad taking place against unbelievers, how can President Obama or anyone else, for that matter, be naïve and gullible enough to believe that if Israel makes peace with the Muhammadans it would somehow result in lasting peace and at the same time Israel would become the lone exception to the rule. The truth is the Muhammadans will never stop waging jihad against unbelievers because the main goal of Islam is to render the world into a very draconian form of Islamic totalitarianism via the imposition of Sharia. Indeed, what is so hard to understand?
We [believers] disown you [non-believers, including family] and what you worship besides Allah. We renounce you. Enmity and hate shall forever reign between us—until you believe in Allah alone (Koran 60:4).
Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for your faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with. For Allah (god loves those who are just (Koran 60:8).
next time you quote something read the entire passage and look at the complete picture.
Don't just pick a sentence out of context and base an entire argument from it.
Uhm….since Koranic verse 60:4, which is the verse I cited, doesn't conflict with say verse 9:5 among other latter issued sword verses of the Koran, it therefore still applies. Meanwhile, verse 60:8, on the other hand, which is the Koranic verse that you are citing intentionally to attempt to deceive gullible useful idiot kafir infidels, clearly does conflict with the latter issued sword verse 9:5, which states:
Then when the Sacred Months (the 1st, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikun {unbelievers} wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat {the Islamic ritual prayers}), and give Zakat {alms}, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
Thus, why should I be required to cite verse 60:8 that has been abrogated, i.e., superseded and replaced, by the latter issued sword verses of the Koran, such as the above referenced latter issued sword verse 9:5, when verse 60:8 is no longer valid because it has been replaced by the latter issued sword verses that it conflicts with?
I mean the doctrine of abrogation holds that when two verses of the Koran conflict and contradict each other, the latter issued verse of the Koran abrogates, i.e., supersedes and replaces, the earlier issued verse of the Koran. Hence, since the infamous sword verses were the last verses issued by Muhammad shortly before he died and descended into eternal hell and damnation, any verses issued beforehand that conflict with those latter issued sword verses of the Koran have been abrogated and replaced by them.
Furthermore, it's not like the doctrine of abrogation isn't universally accepted in Islam either, as all major Islamic schools of jurisprudence in both Sunni and Shi'a Islam and also all sects and divisions within Sunni and Shi'a Islam also as well universally accepts this doctrine of abrogation.
what cannot be understood is why american jews, whose support for israel has always been unwavering, will continue to financially contribute to obama and the democratic party . . . both now diametrically opposed to israel's existence.
Unfortunately, most liberal voters would vote for a dirty dishrag if it ran as a Democrat.
Amen!
Democrats do not vote for a person, a country, the truth or humanity, no matter I much they declare it.
Democrats vote for a sick fanatical and delusional IDEOLOGY, period!
guess this means he wont get but 78% of the jewish vote in 2012, instead of 80%. Enjoy the koolaid when you vote in 2012, your homeland will reap what you sow..
Israel, know this. President Obama is our President. That does not mean we support him in everything he does. In this case, he is dead wrong and Israel should reject his ideas because they will lead to your destruction.
You couldn't consider giving back the Golan Heights to Syria as we could, giving back California to Mexico.
We understand that you do not want the right of return for Palestinians to Israel proper. This president is alding and abating illegal immigration into the US and may try to make them legal to win the Hispanic vote.
You could never redivided the sacred city of Jerusalem. We could never give Miami to Cuba.
Hopefully, WE THE PEOPLE will hold President Obama responsible for his abuse of power, for his attempts to diminish this country, for his attempts to bankrupt this country, for his attempts to reduce our freedoms under our Constitution. Hopefully, in 2013, our friends in Israel will be dealing with a new administration that values our friendship and will do what is needed to repair the damage done by President Obama.
The sorry fact is that Israel cannot wait until 2013!
Between the so called "Arab Spring" and Iranian Evil Israel can be gone by then, or involve in nuclear war which will effect the whole world!
The sad fact about what you have said is, that if it does come to pass, Israel may be a ruin, but so will the capital cities & other major cities in Iran, Syria, Egypt, the Western bank and Gaza, southern Lebanon, and others. Peace will come in the form of a mushroom cloud that will end the fighting.
That picture of obammy in the rag hat, makes me gag! Why? Because I really think he wears that get-up in private and his wife wears the veil. YUK!
Israel and the Jewish People (excepting those like chomsky) are allies of the US and its people. We are kindred spirits with shared values, common interests.
But the Jewish People have been around over 4,000 years, despite impossible odds of such survival occurring. Ultimately, Obama won't be forsaking the Jews or our state. He'll be forsaking G-d, and that is a lot more serious for Obama than a bit of education from Bibi.
Obama shows no loyalty to the United States so for him to be against Israel is simply another part in his overall plan to destroy us and our allies.
The only countries he panders to and bows down to are Islamic ones.
This man keeps our borders open, inviting enemies to enter our nation yet wants to tell Israel what to do! The Communistic arrogance of this potus is palpable. We need to get this man out of our White House ASAP.
President Obamawama al Mashook mentions "contiguous" and "land swap". A Palestine with a contiguous border centred on Trans Jordan fits nearly all of the very wise and gifted President Obamawama al Mashooks conditions. Hail President Obamawama al Mashook, all hail he who has single handedly solved a problem that has broken many world leaders.
I'm curious. Why did Obama decide to bring this entire issue at this moment in time ?
It's been relatively quiet in Israel/West Bank and the attention has been about the so called "Arab Spring " in the past 6 months.
Its almost like the Obama wanted to divert attention to Israel in the Arab world.
Netanyahu should keep the phone off the hook for all calls coming in from the White House from this point on.
Obama wants to destroy Israel and the US.
Israel is lucky he is not their president.
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Mervel, according to that story I caught part of on NPR (I think it was on “On Point”) we have reduced our demand for oil.