The “Occupy Wall Street” gatherings are not only infantile, but fail to reach any semblance of cultural history, unless mass public defecation and fornication in New York City is something new.
Even the ’60′s hippie movement, irresponsibly juvenile as it was, had focus and a sense of romantic purpose. The degenerates of that age had their actual music, their poetry, their spokesmen. That wave of public immaturity left memorabilia. They were genuine tokens, not tweets, videos, or ubiquitous and cheap electronic record so consumptive today.
Wall Street “bastards” have left nothing but their own waste. They are like children who have literally had no upbringing but TV, internet, and Sesame Street. There is no sentiment to carry their emotion, because the emotion is ugly, uninspiring and unworthy. They have no songs, no lyrics, but only infantile outrage and meaningless anger at existence. They resent their birth. (Of late, some drum groups have evolve–from sheer boredom, no doubt; but this only demonstrates more accurately the utter lack of mind and intellect involved. This is as primitive as the public can be, without words, without thought, without purpose. Just primal rage.)
The hippies of the ’60′s had a feeling of genuine exploration, deconstructive as it was. (It simply hadn’t happened before in American culture.) But the moment cannot be relived. All such imitations are doomed, for historical circumstances are essentially inimitable. Therefore, the Occupiers are lost, and without direction. Social circumstances and the political situation is different today. The level of public maturity is far less. And even a Canadian-based anarchy movement will not suffice to give meaning to the pathetic “useful idiots” in the street.
The hippies had one or two major events of public exposure. They displayed their body functions in the open. But, they were in the woods, not in public parks in the middle of crowded cities. They called it Woodstock, not Wall Street. They wanted to drop out, in a way. The Occupiers want to destroy.
But the Occupiers are not stronger, or more aggressive. They are cowardly, in fact. Or, just undeveloped. Occupy Wall Street is a kind fetal 9-11. Perhaps we can expect to seem them advised by their more violent Muslim brethren in the near future.
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I can't wait to see david a. yeagley's reply to an ethiopian……you got to be kidding.
Yea, I think its baggy ann again, the vulgar breed sioux playing tricks for yeagley…ethiopian girl and African Girls. Guess no one is paying any attention to Rose dove, thundersky, buffalo chips. At least when she does these aliases she stops short of being nasty and vulgar….poor thang!
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Surely you jest…..yeagley hates Blacks, African, anyone not pure white, which he has stated is the purest blood that ever flowed.
yeagley is running for Comanche Chairman…lol…he got booted off or our Comanche Word of the Day for attacking Comanche posters who have been on since it began. This is a great place for Comanches, yeagley just did not fit in.
Trying to do his Politics and questioning whether a young lady was truly Comanche….we all know each other here…… I mean…he was lucky to even get in, then he proceeded in his holier than thou attitude and bragging on his five degrees and such, he made a complete white fool out of himself. He got attacked good and plenty by real Comanches. It was almost like I was reading Indianz . com where they put him in his place, only difference was betty ann owens gross aka thunderthighs could not come to his rescue like she is known to do., anyway he was removed. This is a closed site for Comanche only.. The other Numunuh Voices, he has tried to infiltrate like madd is closed to him also, we…they do not like this man. He needs to give up an stay White! You too baggy ann, stop reading Comanche Business, leave Eleanor and yeagley alone…jealous much……
These aren't even "useful idiots". They are useless idiots.
Exactly!!!
OWS has already succeeded, in the sense that they have changed the debate. They have adopted the principles of Martin Luther King, Jr., and like the Greensboro, NC sit-ins, every movement has to start somewhere. It is like the Arab Spring, and has caught on world-wide. No one knows what OWS will eventually become, but the kind of unchained libel from allegedly unsavory characters like Yeagley is a testament to their success.
LOL…..so now the hippies who have caused ALL THE TROUBLE IN THE WORLD , ….weren't so bad ? LOLOLOL…….they dropped to SECOND PLACE !!
What will they accomplish ? Probably nothing immediately….for the Wall Street Traders , Bankers , and Financial Institutions , who been sticking it up middle America's butt ,and getting rich doing it are slowly being targeted as the scumbags they really are , and exposing the fact that they have the politicians in their back pocket . Useless Idiots ? No more than the Tea Party , who still dont know what they want to do other than get Obama out bof office , which is fine , but they have yet to shopw a plan or solution ….and that is because they are no better than the peoiple they are denouncing .
The Great Unwashed of the 1960s antiwar period still take "pride of place" (if you will) if only because of the duration of the movement. Also, they had better sense than to camp out in city parks (at least the way it's being done currently); they usually found a pad to crash in. They were a bit more scrupulous about the kinds of disease that communal living can generate.
Hooverville. This protest has a closer historical parallel; besides, the protestors can't get a permit to put up port-a-johns.
Yes, the Bonus Marchers. Another parallel is Coxey's Army of 1894.
Get a job.
And get a clue.
Wall Street, now, is owned by foreigners.
The Government is the problem.
But better be carefull with your words Teabaggers , because the OWS are getting bigger , and although some true morons have attached themselves to it , it is gaining more and more of the people who got screwed , and who are fedup with the partiisan gridlock . THEY will vote , and no matter what YOU think of them , your liable to find your own Mom and Pop amonst them . Their demographics are far more widereaching than the teabaggers . And they are right on target as to who the true cause of our financial woes are . Yup 2012 might be a bigger surprise then either of the bickering Dems and Rep/Cons think .
People aren't just unhappy about their personal bank accounts. They are absolutely fed up with political corruption, the comical soap opera of partisan politics, and the complete suspension of the rule of law for elites in this country. When have you seen any bankster (e.g., Angelo Mozilo) do the perpwalk? A businessman who knowingly hires illegals? Any public official, prosecuted for his illegal actions (e.g., Clarence Thomas) in office?
This anger fed the Tea Party movement, which might have been useful if it had not been co-opted and Astroturfed by the Koch-Mellon-Coors machine. OWS is simply Version 2.0, which has acknowledged that the Republicans and Democrats are all owned by the same cadre of plutocrats. Neither Party is inclined to act in the best interest of the 99%.
You hit the nail on the head Herman . I have to laugh though on how they are now elevated [above the kids of the 60's ] to be the cause of all this country's woes .There have been the fringe idiots in both OWS and TeaParty rallies …..so all in all minus trheir antics , all that is happening is an expression of basic American freedoms , yes David …Guranteed to bthose of the Right , Left ,AND CENTER .
What's with that "Greedy Wall Street Capitalist Fat Cats" talk you two agree on? You share the same tinfoil hat or something?
"…be careful with your words TEABAGGERS…?"
Oh yeah sure, OK. Check.
Keep on grasping for straws Yeagley , you're all wet .
It's worse than that, Amused: http://davidyeagley.blogspot.com/2006/11/yeagley-…
At least, OWS does what it can to remove undesirables from their midst. Evidently, Horowitz does not.
Didn't you just get bumped on another thread?
Did I? If so, that IS bad form on Horowitz' part. You can't go screaming about the evils of censorship when you are caught practicing it.
Bravo Herman , free speech has been a victim on this blog …SEVERAL times . And the leftwing does the same Anti-war , and Kos .Reason facts , logic and compromiser are disdained by both .
Everyone NOT WHITE is an undesirable as far as yeagleys blog is concerned, you are NOT accepted. He's banned all Native Americans, accept one who kisses his behind, when they tried in vain to correct his American Indian History…..he is very wrong on many counts but won't be corrected so he banns!
There is something called internet stalking, beyond the public printing of libel.
Copy and Paste considered internet stalking? Your own words you ashamed of? You're on a cloud when you announce your trash published in Iran or Japan anywhere in Europe, but when a person copies and paste your trash to the people you are trashing here in America……you cry "I'm going to sue you". Remember it's yourself defaming yourself , so stop crying around here….You're libeling yourself….
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Wasn't yeagley fired a while back???? He comes crawling back to papa who abused him! talk about low self esteem.
Your words imply much about yourself.
As a noodle, the only good thing about this article is he DID NOT INTRODUCE HIMSELF AS A COMANCHE TRIBAL MEMBER, yeah, he is an embarrassment to the whole Comanche Nation, we love American with all its flaws and he is NO PATRIOT HE IS ANTI AMERICA, THAT'S IS MY OPINION AND A FULL BLOOD NATIVE AMERICAN!
I was told, by members of your family, that you are a direct descendent of a full-blood Mexican. Is this true? How can you call yourself a full-blood Comanche? Can you demonstrate who you are?
No one in Comanche Land here in S.W Oklahoma has ever heard of badeagle in our Comanche History! I have hundreds of books pertaining to our History, I scan the index before I even bother to purchase for "Comanche", none mention badeagle, none……if only he would stop claiming and insinuating he speaks for the Comanche people on his badeagle blog where are are NO COMANCHE POSTERS, if only he would stop embarrassing all Native Americans by calling them derogatory names and supporting causes they themselves deem racists and do not support…if only he would disappear!
You know who I am, why the stupid question of "can you demonstrate who you are!" By the way,,,members of my family would not give you the time of day, as you well know when you wanted to interview my older sister, they think you are "poisa," you know Comanche for crazy!!! I am full Blood..4/4 Comanche blood and I am proud of it, what little you have, you are ashamed of per your own words against us.
I know you wish that were true, but, your family has said otherwise. Your family is large, and apparently divided, between those who are blood Comanches, and those who are Mexican. They told me you descended from a full-blood Mexican. This is what I was told.
You don't seem to realize at all what it means to be Comanche. (Quoting a word from a recent dictionary isn't going to cut it.) You need to reconsider the image you have created for yourself, in the eyes of your family.
Again, I do not mention your name or your family's, out of respect, not for you, but for your family. I think you should get closer to your family, perhaps. I only wish they could see for themselves how faithful I have been to them. I respect Comanches, unlike you.
You don't know the meaning of respect! Which is it… you DON"T know my family, then proceed to discuss them…. you are NOT WORTHY TO DISCUSS MY FAMILY, and why would you discuss my family with anyone, we don't chose to be in the public eye but you thrive on the quethon you spew……..
We don't have their music? Rock and Roll is mostly garbage. Today's rap is not music; it is not even intelligible speech.
"The Beatles" were saved from obscurity by an oboeist named Paul Martin (the fifth Beatle). He is the one that scored Paul McCartney's "Yesterday" with strings and did "Eleanor Rigby" in the best, minimalist style.
And there are some good songs to come from the tea party movement. I like that "Back in the USSA (United Soviet Socialist of America)" song. The tea party is such a new movement that it songs need time to develop. Communism was around for a little while before Pete Seeger decided to become Stalin's songbird.
Of that genre, I was always partial to the Mamas and the Papas myself.
thats rock and roll nimrod .
You let this commie clown use the obscene term Teabaggers, but you censor my remarks? Remove my post?
Did I criticize that filthy rock music? Do you at Frontpage hate me now? Ralph Ellison of "The Invisible Man" fame says that rock music is a rip off of negro church music. He calls it an obscene looting of a cultural expression.
Not rock music; blues and rhythm and blues. The lives of many blues and rhythm and blues singers were stories of flip-flopping back and forth between the Christian Church and the juke joint. It's true that some blues and R&B singers crossed over into rock 'n' roll. Rock is not the same as rock 'n' roll and rock 'n' roll is not the same as rhythm and blues. For example, compare Arthur Crudup's music with the music of Elvis Presley; both sang some of the same songs (such as That's All Right Mama), but not the same way. Rock 'n' roll is an amalgam of country and western music and rhythm and blues, along with a couple of other influences of lesser import (blues and jazz, as two), and rock is a derivative of rock 'n' roll.
As a general rule, music evolves. The old Negro spirituals are the genesis of rock, country, and modern-day Gospel. The electric guitar and Moog synthesizer made it possible for rock to develop as it has.
Yes, of course. But Ralph Ellison in The Invisible Man did NOT say that rock music is derived from gospel music. It isn't, not in any direct sense. He said rhythm and blues is derived from gospel music. When Ralph Ellison published The Invisible Man in 1953 there wasn't even rock 'n' roll much less rock music. Most music historians fix on 1953 or 1954 and either Arthur Crudup and That's All Right Mama or Elvis Presley and Heartbreak Hotel as the birth of rock 'n' roll. Others fix on around 1951 and R&B songs that refer to "rocking and rolling" as a euphemism for sexual intercourse, or Rocket 88 or Rock Around the Clock as the beginning. Rock music and rhythm and blues have virtually nothing in common. It's like comparing the prehistoric critter that predates human beings with homo sapiens; yes, they're related, but they have almost nothing in common. And there's even less shared between the gospel music of the Invisible Man period and rock music. To some degree, it depends on how you want to use the term "rock" in discussing this particular musical phenomenon.
Herman, you seem to have little knowledge of the history of American music.
And you appear to have NO knowledge of OWS.
From those excellent negro spirituals to Scott Joplin's complicated and difficult to play ragtime; e.g., "Maple Leaf Rag." To Jazz and then degenerating to [c]rap music. Alongside of Rock music how we have degenerated. And what did "old blue eyes" say about rock music?
"Rock and Roll smells phony and false. It is sung, played, and written for the most part by cretinous goons and by means of its almost imbecillic reiteration and sly, lewd, in plain fact, dirty lyrics… it manages to be the martial music of every sideburned delinquent on the face of the earth…. [it] is the most brutal, ugly, deperate, vicious form of expression it has been my misfortune to hear."
Frank Sinatra
The golden voice with the perfect phrasing tells us how he feels!
Ellison was full of it. And his novel, by the way, was called "Invisible Man."
Hooray for "filth," if that's what you want to call it — as if black r & b from the start hasn't been filled with sexual double entendres.
Yeah…. Hooray for filth, pal! Such as the Ce Lo Green song "quaintly" called "f… you (read without the ellipses)" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc0mxOXbWIU
I think a commentator named Dennis Prager tries to inject some reason into this garbage by criticizing the language and the choice of the [n] word: http://townhall.com/columnists/DennisPrager/2010/…
Long live the musical sewer! /sarc What beautiful flowers grow from the excrement laden water /sarc
There are songs from the TEA Parties. But they were written long ago. They are the Patriotic Hymns that have been taught to Americans from the founding of the nation.
They were good for our parents, our grandparents, and they are good for us.
Amen.
One of these patriotic songs is our own national anthem. Instead of singing one stanza, I tried to sing all four: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRxcOl8G8y4
My "campfire buddies" did not even know there were three other stanzas so they clapped prematurely.
There are not many youtubes that have people singing all four stanzas; however, with the advent of the tea party, this will become a more common occurrence.
Yawn.
There were good results that came from Shay's Rebellion; the framing and ratification of the Constitution; a central government from which we could look for protection against such mobs as well as an avenue for the redress of grievances. To the point, if these dolts have a beef there are avenues in which to be heard. If they are not satisfied AFTER that and wish to OVERTHROW our government, this is how to do it. So, the folks in this "movement” have a right for the proper redress of their grievances and the Federal Government has the responsibility to PUT THIS MOVEMENT DOWN.
You are known by the company you keep?
"David A. Yeagley is a white supremacist who poses as a Comanche Indian. He was mistakenly enrolled in the Comanche Nation because the stepmother who adopted him is Comanche. He falsely claims descent from the Comanche leader, Bad Eagle (1839-1909). Comanche elders and members of the tribal government all deny he is actually Comanche. In 2006 Yeagley, his employer David Horowitz, and Front Page magazine used legal threats to try to silence Kiowa activist Cinda Hughes and the Native American Times for revealing his impersonation. …
An admirer of the brutal dictatorship of the late Shah of Iran, he has published many articles in Persian Heritage Magazine, is on the editorial board of the magazine, and wrote an "epic poem" in honor of the late dictator."
http://davidyeagley.blogspot.com/2006/11/yeagley-…
WOW!
WTF are you talkling about? How does anything you just said relate to what I wrote? After all, you did post this in "response" to what I wrote.
Just to let everyone know, I am suing those who have published this libel. So, be careful. Court date coming in January. Al Carroll, Brent M. Davids, etc. I also own the trademark to "David Yeagley" and "Bad Eagle." I have an abundance of historical documents verifying who and what I am. They have no case.
Don't be so naive, Mr. Caintonette. Be careful of the company YOU keep.
Particularly if you are a practicing Jew, you should show more care when you describe OWS. In the words of Hillel, "What is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow: this is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation."
Curious. Why bring a Jewish element into the "conversation?" Anti-Semites often love to quote or reference ancient Hebrew sayings.
Because it is logically relevant. Horowitz is in a position to fire you, and he bears as much moral responsibility for publishing your statements as you do in uttering them.
So do Semites, right?
"…the words of Hillel…"
Are not synonymous with the Christian "Turn the other cheek." Understood, neo-Nazi anti-Zionist scum?
Thank you David and good luck with your suit.
Did you also trademark your Indian name “Stick-Up-His-Butt?”
I thought you owned that one already.
NO I would say that yeagley owns that great, I was told by his bestest friend that is how he likes it too.
January, a new year, same OLD hate, same OLD jealousy against two well established YOUNG Native American men called every derogatory name by your accomplice…she says YOU don't have to blink an eyelash….course YOU don't….she said it all, maybe she should be what's that whitemans' word….ah subpoena, she is always threatening to come to Oklahoma to get me…..this might be a good time, huh!
FOLLOWING IS FROM A SITE OF A JEWISH MAN WHO QUIT BADEAGLE TO, SIMPLY GOT TIRED OF HIS NASTY RACISTS VIEWS. ABOUT 10 POSTERS FOLLOWED SUIT, THAT LEAVES YEAGLEY WITH 2-3 REGULARS ONLY :
"I want to point out reasonable people like myself and Ray can disagree on a topic without being disagreeable. Naiche and CM are always family and welcome wherever I hang my hat. I have been
away from Bad Eagle for months. The place is a colossal bore. Yeagley needs to tell Batty Ann to take her meds.
CM, Ray and the rest are welcome here and are viewed as friends by all."
"CM, IS ME..COMANCHEMOON."
betty ann owens gross says:
"LOL Naiche you drunken fykked up man. I told you before and I will tell you again, you are a drunken cowardly apache squaw kissing man. Yeah, you. You have all the drunk squaws, no nothing squaws and whoremongers to support you against a woman who was once your friend."
I would say, yeagley should watch the company he keeps! She wants to see Moi in court……to do what? I post to support the OWS, and receive threats of court and more!
He also brags about demonstrating and walking in protest with the Iranians of Oklahoma city. Yet look what he call others who want to use this same Freedom of Speech and Demonstrate as well. I walked with many Indian Nations in the same place in Oklahoma city and he reviled our demonstration and called us much similar names as he has here only called us beggars and malcontent, always crying over spilt blood, wanted us to stop lamenting about the past, its over the more powerful won fair, we should adopt the white man, and on and on but NEVER HAS HE HELPED OUR NATIVE CAUSES LIKE HE HAS THE JEWS, IRANIANS, AND WHITE SUPREMISTS LIKE THE AMERICAN RENAISANCE. Course, we don't want his help, we just want him to go away, far away…….
Really had a hey-day, huh?
Well, Southern Poverty Law Center kicked you off. Many sites have kicked you off. But, don't worry, you probably won't be kicked off here. I don't think there's any monitoring.
Now, who was your full-blood Mexican ancestor? Black Beard? I'll have to find out again from your family. I respect your family, however. You should too.
There is no "we." It's just you, Mexican descendant. But, why don't you identify yourself, and present a resume of all your activist history, your education, your great causes to which you have devoted your life. Why not do that?
One angry little man.
Oh please, you are the only one who banned me, begged me to come back. You learned a lot form me, you needed a real Indian, but you could not take criticism, I had to correct you, you would NOT have that!
Southern Poverty Law DID NOT KICK ME OFF, you lie so much! However YOU banned me, then begged me back, then had your bull dog attack with so much vulgarity it was unbelievable on a public site, and against all your posted rules…..you allowed it all, she is still attacking me to this day on your site and you allow it! I was in good company though. You banned about 5 other well meaning Comanche and other Natives, all merely wanted to participate in what we thought was an Indian site….it soon became apparent that this was not so. We still tried to help you with constructive criticism but your foolish pride and ego was to big to allow what you deemed as beneath you to stay…..we are all gone but one…you have no Indians on your badeagle site!.
I replied to this several times but apparently it keeps being deleted. Here is a reply again. You lie yeagley, I have never been kicked of off Ssouthern Povery Law Center. You banned me from your site then begged me to come back then kicked me off again then asked me to come back so you could have your attack dog do what she does best, while you sit in the back and laugh…..She is very vulgar and you have rules you are supposed to use, but she is exempt? You allowed her free reign to do your dirt. You can have Black Beared too whever he is, I thought you said you didn't know any of my family…and then you said I had a large one that you respected, then you claim you don't know me, lie, lie, lie is all you know, You know damn well they monitor and protect you, you cry baby…..always crying around!
Just to let you know yeagley…I received a letter today in fact from the SPLC, wonder why…..unless they monitor here even….You made a bold face lie in posting "they kicked me off". They fight against people like you, Mr. Morris and the SPLC are doing important work against hate groups and your are the one who should watch who YOU KEEP COMPANY WITH! Over 1,002 hate groups and antigovernment "patriot"(sound familiar?) and militia groups all because they hate our Black President or just HATE the Govenment. This group is winning(unlike you) in their fight against HATE. The letter says that the Secret Service and all major law enforcement agencies depend on the SPLC for reports that they couldn't solve without the SPLC. It is a lengthy letter goofy yeagley and I'm sure your accusations is what spurred they writing to me. I have and will always support their services, just because I haven't posted on their format in a while is no reason for you to lie about me. Liar, Liar….I always suspected you of this but usually blamed it on betty ann owens grossly, but you did this BIG LIE ON YOUR VERY OWN!
I replied to your lie earlier about me being kicked off of Southern Poverty Law Center, apparently it has been removed. I received a letter from southern Poverty Law recently. Who knows why, maybe they saw your goofy comment about MOI being kicked of of their blog! I support everything they work for, which is against HATE by people like you yeagley. As I said in my previous comment you support Hate Groups numbering over 1,002 and are antigovernment "patriot" militia groups. You rally with them and join in with speeches claiming you are Comanche, this is what I find so offensive. They might think all Native American are like you, THIS COULD NOT BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH…. This is what you support on your badeagle blog, that is not, I REPEAT NOT WHAT AMERICAN INDIANS DO! You hate our President Obama, not merely for his Politics, but for his black skin, your angry with the Government, you bad mouth our Native American Veterans, and claimed they don't deserve the medal of Honor merely for using the Lanquage to help win the war, and on your blog of today you have the nerve to post a picture and praise our Comanche Indian Veterans, you are such a liar….and fake, trying to back track what you said previously, yes, I have that certain comment copied too….you fool the three or four white posters but you damn sure don't fool any Comanche…..stop posting on Comanche, just stop! I hope this one stays up…..you, yourself said there was no monitoring, we will see won't we!
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Oooops! my bad, apparently the first comment is still up….I now see it again…..
No one in Comanche Land here in S.W Oklahoma has ever heard of badeagle in our Comanche History! I have hundreds of books pertaining to our History, I scan the index before I even bother to purchase for "Comanche", none mention badeagle, none……if only he would stop claiming and insinuating he speaks for the Comanche people on his badeagle blog where are are NO COMANCHE POSTERS, if only he would stop embarrassing all Native Americans by calling them derogatory names and supporting causes they themselves deem racists and do not support…if only he would disappear!
I know you are a member of the Comanche tribe. I also know you are descendent of a full-blood Mexican. I know there are full-blood Germans who were given land among the Comanches. Fischer was the original name.
You are lying. This is the kind of lie I am suing about. I told some of my Comanche leaders that I would never sue another Comanche. I don't consider you a Comanche, but, I know you are on the rolls. I also know you are Mexican. There is such a thing as internet stalking, for which injunctions may be obtained.
I know you have always wanted attention from me, for some reason. You may finally get it, but not in a way you want, unless you are totally abandoned. Your petty personal problems, made public incessantly as they are, I know embarrass your family. You should begin to think of your family. I don't mention your name, because I do respect your family, Comanche or not.
Angry are you???
An old Fable comes to mind when considering the two most visible political movements in America…
Grasshoppers and Ants: http://jennyhatch.com/2011/10/20/occupy-wall-stre…
Jenny Hatch
It's hard to get work when almost a quarter of our eligible populace is unemployed, and the proximate cause of this debacle was the Wall Street meltdown. Back in the Great Depression, the people that became "the Greatest Generation" did what OWS is doing now. Ever heard of "Hoovervilles?"
I crushed a sleeping protester's fingers with my heel. Good fun!
On your way to work no doubt.
And now, you can be prosecuted for battery and sued civilly. Will your exchequer stand a $425,000 settlement, or even a larger civil judgment? Ask John Stossel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0q44ALM7jo ).
I've forwarded this page to OWS. If anyone remembers it, a complaint may be filed, and you can be found.
They'd have to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt of the defendant causing the injury to the particular complaining witness in the criminal case, and proximate cause in the civil case. Based on what he said alone, not a very easy chore, certainly not worth the time and expense pursuing it would involve. But I hope the CW and the plaintiff at the OWS site will expend considerable effort and expense to go after that well-known Lawsuit Lottery.
Wrong. All that is required is a preponderance. If someone at OWS swears out a complaint, Horowitz can be required to comply with a subpoena intended to identify him. His admission can be used against him with respect to intent, so it would not be that hard to win the case if the proper legwork is done..
The bar is not that pathetically low. If anyone filing or supporting the claim could not provide a reasonable physical description, the cops, prosecutor etc. would not waste their time.
It's best if you don't display your lack of understanding of the issue of causation versus the issue of the burden of proof that's borne by the party claiming injury or crime.
Just for clarity's sake, the burden of proof in a criminal case is BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT, while the burden of proof in a civil case is BY A PREPONDERANCE OF THE EVIDENCE (meaning it's more likely than not that this particular defendant caused this particular injury).
astra – I suggest you disinfect your shoe – with all that filth it's best not to take chances!
no doubt astra it was either a woman or smaller person , else if you did that and smirked , you just may have gotten your arse beat . but hey I can see how that act would be fun ….for socio-paths .
May all the hands that work iniquity be crushed. May the mouths of those that lie, slander, and libel be stopped. The Republican Party has it's issues, but, it s not based on a delusion, like its counterpart. It does not found its approach on falsehood, libel, and false indignation. And there is no comparison of the Tea Party to OWS, except perhaps in the most abstract deduction, like, "large group of people gathered in one place."
OH DONT MAKE ME LAUGH YEAGLEY , you hypocrite ! Lies slander and libel are paret and parcel of Republican behavior and statementys over the past 3 years . And when they get caught at it , they backpeddle or "can't remember , or asso many here demonstrate ….just ignore the criticism and move on to the next lie ….like the Obama birtjh certificate , the alleged attempted apology to Japan , and the childishly ridiculoys piece by Glasov that " Obama wishes more defeat from WW2 [ not even good English on that title ] And what about the great overfed ONE , who smneeringly stated Obama was killing "christians " in Africa by sending military personnel to deal with The Lords Salvation Army …fine christians they are . Oh but the republican party "has it's issues " …what a croc!
So, you're saying my enemies are Republicans? Hmmm. An interesting take.
"May all the hands that work iniquity be crushed." Ha…your lily white withered, arthritic hands must really hurt!! May the mouths of those that lie, slander, and libel be stopped…..omg, if only you could be muffled and put away in a closet, your inflated ego does not see that YOU DO ALL OF THESE!!!
DY: "May the mouths of those that lie, slander, and libel be stopped."
What are you babbling about? As the Christians say, "Physician, heal thyself." I am a participant in OWS who can boast of three earned college degrees, one of them being in the law. Although you are fully entitled to express your opinion and thereby reveal your limitless ignorance and hypocrisy, I find your claims about OWS equally offensive. Your assertion that the Tea Party is somehow more knowledgeable than OWS is imho preposterous, based on my direct observations.
As far as the alleged libel is concerned, if you made even half the remarks Dr. Carroll has attributed to you are accurate, I don't think much of your case. I've only followed a few of his links, e.g., http://web.archive.org/web/20061231043631/http://… — your argument against racial intermarriage (saved by the Wayback Machine) would have brought a tear to Hitler's eye — but it would appear that his opinion is not without foundation in the record.
"Superior beauty is in the white race, with its scintillating varieties of color: red, brown, amber, golden hair… green, blue, light brown, gray eyes. In the darker races, everything is always the same, dark brown and black a beastly bore. … ts Judeo-Christian religion allowed the European Caucasian race to advance above all other people; but the darker races now encroach through integration and intermarriage, in the name of equality and diversity."
http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?…
You said it, you own it. I could see why a reasonable person might conclude that you were a racist. Interestingly, the "darker races" you denounce also includes the Jews, which shouldn't put you in good odor here.
The Democratic Party is, like all political parties, formed on the basis of self-interest. No delusions. Republicans do not have the moral high ground here.
The Tea Partiers are generally ignorant of tax policy, and appear to have little grasp of even rudimentary economics. The OWS crowd understands the core issue: money and politics, when mixed vigorously, yield a noxious brew. Some Tea Partiers might have gotten it, but the Koch-Mellon-Coors crowd has co-opted it — just as the Dems are plotting to adulterate OWS. Fortunately, the movement has resisted, because they understand that the system is the problem.
You never address the issue at hand. The OWS folks have a means of redress UNLESS they are set on destroying the economy and the American free market system. If you support this, what would you replace it with? It seems the majority of the OWS want Communism. Is this what your 3 degrees tell you is best for us? History must not have been your strong suit.
OWS has an alternate means of redress in theory, but in practice, when all of the politicians this side of Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul are bought and paid for, it exists only in theory.
Reforming the American crony capitalist system by actually enforcing the laws on the books and rectifying the imbalance between capital and labor through a geometrically escalating property tax (as first suggested by Jefferson!) would solve the problem. All economies are on some level mixed, with socialist and capitalist features; changing the balance would benefit the country as a whole in the long run.
IMHO, the best solutions for our nation's ills can be found in the wisdom of the Founding Fathers. I would adopt General Washington's sole recommendation at the Convention: limiting the size of congressional districts to 30,000 citizens each. Solon of Athens was the first to implement it, observing that if you have a lot of representatives, it becomes impossible to bribe them all (and modern media campaigns cease to be cost-effectve). Combine it with a repeal of the Seventeenth Amendment, and you take money out of politics.
Alexander Hamilton drafted a blueprint for the establishment of an industrial power–implemented by Congress and adhered to for two centuries–which involved a measure of targeted protectionism. He understood, as did Adam Smith, that real wealth doesn’t exist until somebody makes something. We don't make anything any more, and we can blame the pluto-Rats for that.
If OWS could implement this strategy tomorrow, we would restore millions of jobs, which is what OWS understands that we need.
Hermon, you're really taking the wrong approach here, with me anyway. I see no one is responding to you but me, so, that should tell you something. My five degrees (including a doctorate) are in culture, not politics or law–both of which I try to view objectively, meaning, I don't put completely confidence in either. I am an American Indian. I believe in the preservation of what we have left. I merely acknowledge this right for all other ethnicities and races. This is honoring race. Anything else is directed toward destroying race–which I call racism. The white race made the modern world. Jews, contrary to your remark, are part of the Caucasian race. Jews are part of the white race. I encourage every right of the Jews to preserve who and what they are. I think you are being quite inconsistent in your reaction to me. You are revealing your own prejudices. Something like that.
DY: "Hermon, you're really taking the wrong approach here, with me anyway."
My approach is to challenge others' preconceptions, which is something a law student can't avoid. I'll try my best to take the right one.
DY: "I am an American Indian."
You are a full-blooded Comanche? Otherwise, you are a part-Comanche, in much the same way that I can claim some Jewish ancestry. If you were mostly Comanche, there would be little dispute as to your ancestry but, as was the case with Ward Churchill, fractional Indian ancestry can be rather difficult to prove. If that is at issue, I would have secured DNA samples before I filed the lawsuit on your behalf.
The racial distinctions that make a Caucasian that you value so highly (not too many natural blonde Syrian women) seem to disappear at around the Strait of Bosphorus; nevertheless, many ethnic Jews have acquired them through intermarriage. Pigmentation is largely dependent upon latitude of origin: Inuit and Britons are fair-skinned, whereas Greeks and Mayans are not. Blond and red hair are regressive traits and as such, both are doomed to disappear within the next few centuries.
Being only linked mitochondrially, Jews aren't part of any race; Ethiopian Jews are Negroid, while German Jews are Caucasoid. That having been said, the whole concept of race is meaningless, in the sense that those who lived in close proximity to their neighbors have similar characteristics. See e.g., http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/v36/n11s/full/ng… Arabs and Jerusalem Jews appear more closely related than, say, Jews from Ethiopia and Norway. Calablasians like Tiger Woods are the future of the human race; miscegenation is inevitable.
Aishwarya Rai (http://www.weloveaish.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/0002.jpg ) is considered by many to be the most beautiful woman in the world, and I can't dispute their claim too strenuously. Polynesian women can be just as alluring. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and your view that white women are the most attractive is provincial. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion.
That having been said, if Dr. Carroll has been quoting you accurately (and he appears to be, where I can check his work), it is difficult to say that his denunciations are not without foundation. In short, your rhetorical flourish has gotten in the way of precision; ironically, you are the victim of your own eloquence. This is a potential land-mine in your lawsuit, as you will be responsible for what you said, as opposed to what you meant. Defending the Shah is almost as hard as defending Hitler, Stalin, and Pinochet, and if you did praise him to the skies, it is going to be tough to say that you have been damaged by Dr. Carroll pointing this out.
I appreciate that you have taken the time to defend yourself, which is also going to be problematic. As a published author with regular access to a widely-read forum, it is likely that you will be deemed a public figure, and the Sullivan rule applies. Myself, I would have demanded a DNA sample in discovery, as there are known descendants of Bad Eagle who might well be willing to take them, as well.
Also, I take umbrage at your censorship of my response to StephenD. As long as David Horowitz continues to rail against it, it is bad form for you to practice it, as his authorized agent.
Clearly a racist anti-Semite, thou art. I suspected as much, immediately. But, now you have testified yourself. And you obviously know very little about Indians, or Indian ways, or Indian thinking. But, you're still entitled to your intellectual constructs, superimposed as they be. Do you practice law? I somehow doubt that. Everyone has a law degree these days. They have to appeal to Hollywood and news media to make themselves appear noble and worthy. That says it all.
It seems to me that your constructs are a bit hackneyed. Perhaps you're not as old and experienced as I assumed. I''ll bet you're a youngster! (That's basically a good thing, don't get me wrong.)
I am not suing anyone for their "interpretations" of me, my words, or my work. I'm suing them for publishing and claiming I am not the son of my own mother, and then claiming she was not Indian, and that my family line did not exist. This was all to discredit me. Why? Because my enemies cannot abide the thought of a conservative, Republican AMERICAN INDIAN. Simple reason. The liberals think they own the Indian, as a validation of all their liberal anti-American positions. Well, I profoundly challenge that position, and I have statistics to show that most Indian actually agree with me, not the paid liberalized liberal-educated Indians who protest, or write for Indian papers, or who are members of NGOs.
The OWS thing is anti-Semitic, and the Muslims have all joined in. I mean terrorist-backing Muslims, like the ones who created the Occupy Orlando imitation.
I'm a half-breed Indian. It isn't some distant family rumor, as you indicate your "Jewish" roots might be. We are not comparable on that score, at all.
I don't mind at all talking about these things. I'm encouraged that you are even interested. However, I can't get in to too many details. The fact of the suit is public knowledge, of course.
DY: "Clearly a racist anti-Semite, thou art."
Aaahhh, the name-calling commences. It's a standard weapon in the dishonest Zionist arsenal: "If you disagree with me, you must be anti-Semitic." After all, if the word "Semite" is to have any meaning, all people from that region qualify as Semites. Thus, if you take the Palestinian side in the conflict, you would be more pro-Semitic than you are anti-Semitic (most Jews are more Caucasian than Semitic), and the epithet has no coherent meaning.
But let's get to the substance, shall we? Your screed is substantially identical to the nonsense espoused by the Richard Butler and the Aryan Nations. http://books.google.com/books?id=nDtJK1OiJt8C&… You are entitled to your opinions, but it is you who are the self-confessed racist, and I can see why Cinda Hughes has excoriated you.
If you are a part-Comanche, I can see why your tribe thinks you are off the reservation: He was Bad Eagle, and you are viewed as Bad Wiring. Think about it: Coming from a member of a First Nations tribe, your position is comically similar to a Jew in Nazi Germany, arguing that Germans really ARE the Master Race. A product of miscegenation, offering yourself as proof that anti-miscegenation laws make sense? Your views would invite derision even if you were a WASP, but coming from a Comanche or even a Mayan, they qualify you as a self-loathing, neurotic, Woody Allen Indian.
OWS is not even colorably anti-Semitic. All the participants demand is to have some say in our government , which is precisely what the Founding Fathers insisted on. As the Zionists got us into the war in Iraq — see, PNAC — they are partly to blame for our financial woes, but they are not the OWS' target. It is politicians in both parties, who are for sale to the highest bidder.
Bottom line, a DNA test resolves the question of whether you are a Comanche, or a Mayan. It costs less than the filing of a lawsuit. If you had wanted to resolve this conflict without running to court, you could have done so easily.
Your babbling again….You ARE NOT HALF-BREED. your Mother may have been 1/2 Comanche(?), your father, who said something like he was sorry he brought you into the world, was GERMAN. With all your degrees how can you be 1/2 Breed? I spoke too soon, I was HOPING you never mentioned being Comanche ever again…….I agree, you are a Woody Allen Indian…ha, ya, ha, ya…that's too funny
The Mexican descendent strikes again. All in one day? Please begin to respect your own family. Have you no dignity at all? You apparently don't even know how to pretend to be Comanche.
You apparently don't even know how to pretend to be Comanche, he cries! Why would "I" even want to pretend? Hey Woody, that's your M.O., pretense, lies, and the sky is falling kind of thang, pretending to be Indian, pretending to be a journalist, pretending to be an actor, pretending to be Director, and most of all pretending to care. Stop saying "Mexican descendent" as if it were a dirty word or foreign to you. You are 60 yrs old and you are a German/Mexican descendent pretending to be something other than is not very mature, though you are in age….try acting your age…..
Race is a silly thing to take pride in. You have nothing to do with your race. You didn't earn it or accomplish it or win it.
And Indians, while a people, are not a race at all. They are simply the first Mongloid immigrants to the Americas.
To Herman the German, No, the name calling commenced when you first sullied this or any other board with your weak efforts.
Nice to know someone else noticed!
The New Left indoctrinates of the 1960's and their useful idiots the Hippies are the same as the so-called Occupiers. Just their forerunners. They all cling to the old Marxist promises that collectivism would create universal abundance and their denunciations of capitalism for creating poverty, they are again denouncing capitalism for creating abundance. Instead of promising comfort and security for everyone, they are again denouncing people for being successful, comfortable, and secure. "They do not want to own your fortune, they want you to lose it; they do not want to succeed, they want you to fail; they do not want to live, they want you to die; they desire nothing, they hate existence …" (Atlas Shrugged.)
Good description of YOU and your lot MrBean .
Amused you are a prattling brick with arms and legs, too stupid to even suspect you are stupid.
Woodstock was not a protest, it was a concert. It became a SNAFU. It was overcrowded, with gatecrashers and food shortages. The MNM view of the world is that you are suppose to respond to this by using violence. Instead the crowd help each other. (There are many reasons for this, but it would be too long to explain here. Those of you who read Robert Heinlein's Tunnel in the sky understand what happened at Woodstock).The OWS crowd has nothing in common with the Woodstock crowd. It would be like comparing the moonlanding with the OWS crowd.
Woodstock was a protest against society at the time. It's all in the lyrics and the behavior. Rejecting values, contradicting them, condemning them, I think this qualifies for "protest."
No, it wasn't a violent protest pointed at an address and a specific institution.
"The hippies of the ’60′s had a feeling of genuine exploration, deconstructive as it was. (It simply hadn’t happened before in American culture.)"
Earlier Americans just worked, ended slavery and saved the world from Nazism.
Exactly. The original 60's hippies smelled just as bad as this new reincarnation. It's overly kind to cut them slack—they were, after all, the ones who pulled America out of the age of wholesomeness, malt shops, long skirts and conformity in good values (the 1950's), and into the age of depravity, slob houses, miniskirt exhibitionism and conformity in evil values masquerading as "non-conformism."
Is the Western world better off for the depredations of the 1960's? The original hippies started the West on its road to ruin.
The more I think of it, the more I'm sure I'm right. Hippies wanted to drop out. That was their protest against society. It was adolescent, that's all. A giant fad, created and managed by the Left, of course. (By the way, Leonard Bernstein swore one of those Beatles (McCartney or Lennon) was a trained musician. They were the wonderful, natural, genius talent they were sold as.) The drop-outs had no aggressive, violent intentions against institutions. That was the political drop-outs, like the Weathermen, the Panthers, AIM, etc. That was different. But they didn't hold mass gatherings to defecate, either. Their intent was violence, period.
Who is organizing the OWS? Follow the money.
Who's backing the Teabaggers ……Follow the money .
Who is backing the Fleabaggers, follow the Soros and CPUSA money.
LOL CPUSA money? Ya I bet the American Communist Party is just flooded with cash.
I can take that as an admission Mr,Bean , that you know it too ….that is the Koch Bros.are indeed the benefactors .
Isn't teabagging some sort of homosexual thingie? Maybe if you follow the money you'll come to the homosexual lobby.
Wow, harsh. You're being sort of a downer dude.
Look at yeagleys' words, even the misspelled ones! Infantile, public defecation and fornication, degenerates, public immaturity, genuine tokens, Wall Street bastards, left nothing but their own waste, infantile meaningless anger, they resent their birth, primitive, utter lack of mind or intellect, primitive rage, occupiers are lost and without direction pathetic and useless idiots, cowardly, want to destroy, underdeveloped mindless sex, drugs and rock & roll, damnation, stench of the occupiers, a giant mob, communist, anarchist affiliates, and more…….so glad he left out the Native Americans that want to be a part of a change to this craziness of greed of the White Elite……
Defecating is his favorite new word it seems, I don't think yeagley has ever been happy, maybe its his bowel movement!
the "hippies" also had a very particular goal in mind: ending the war in Vietnam. sure they wanted free love and legalized marijuana, but the protests were single-mindedly about getting us out of a war we shouldn't have been in in the first place.
the Wall Street crowd doesn't seem to know what its goal is.
oh and btw, JIMI Hendrix was one of the most talented guitarists the world has ever seen. please spell his name correctly.
Hippies weren't routinely known for their political stances. Mostly that was the antiwar crowd. Of course, hippies were kind of a phony outgrowth of the freak-political split (they were the ones who actually had "hip" fashion, the bell-bottoms and the big collared shirts, "sandals used to cut your skin, aren't you glad now boots are in"), where freaks just lived the counterculture and the antiwar types did their Type A thing and went on demonstrations. But that's probably too nuanced an approach to those particular sets of phenomena even though that's the way it was.
WC: "To Herman the German, No, the name calling commenced when you first sullied this or any other board with your weak efforts."
Pointing out that Herman Cain has managed a reprise of Marie Antoinette's most famous statement ("Let them eat PIZZA!") is hardly unfair. That is the point of my moniker: obvious satire.
ComancheMoon: "Look at yeagleys' words, even the misspelled ones! Infantile, public defecation and fornication, degenerates, public immaturity, genuine tokens, Wall Street bastards, left nothing but their own waste, infantile meaningless anger, they resent their birth, primitive, utter lack of mind or intellect, primitive rage, occupiers are lost and without direction pathetic and useless idiots, cowardly, want to destroy, underdeveloped mindless sex, drugs and rock & roll, damnation, stench of the occupiers, a giant mob, communist, anarchist affiliates, and more"
Horowitz and his minions have been demonizing their opponents so long, it is hard to find even one balanced piece. Well-founded, rational argument does not appear to be in their repertoire.
Still, I feel for you. If I found that loon in my family tree, I would be distraught, too.
Happy to say he is no relation, just a thorn in my side for all the lies he has allowed to about me and my People and others. Well known Americans Indians Celebrities out there that speak up for our causes, everyone of them he tries to defame!!!NOT ONE has he ever supported!!!! I met one blood cousin and she can't stand him. His so called relative family picture on his bio is marred with lies of even their names and who they are! She says, she has the original with their names on the back! From this BIO he goes on to fool his preferred white readers, not the Indian People…..
You met someone is is blood cousin, but not demonstrably Comanche.
Herman, this person is not someone who will bring respect to your opinions, if that sort of things matters to you at all.
As I said, I am suing the people who have created libel and promulgated it. I should have included this pitiful person here who continues to stalk with non-sense. She is, according to her family members, the descendent of a full-blood Mexican. I do not reveal names here, because I happen to respect her family. She obviously doesn't.
Respect is really important. I don't mind being disagreed with. But, people who can't think usually resort to lies and slander.
Herman, if you have anything serious to say at all, don't associate with libelists. Please.
I don't stalk, what you say is public, close your badeagle blog to just your white supremists communists friend, and please, change the name and claims of being 1/2 Breed, you are NOT. What you say IS detrimental to my people, you want this attention, but not too many people of Native descent give it to you only your white posters, so you should be happy I can spread this word to my Comanche People on a public network. These detrimental words are your to own, not mine, I love me and my Comanche People, they are learning who you are thru me……..wanna cookie now!
You apparently don't know the meaning of the work stalk, in any context, but, I am specifically referring to the legal term as applied to internet. You apparently don't know anything about politics, what words mean, or even how to converse. You know how to fuss.
I don't know who your people are, other than Mexican, but, I also don't know any Comanche people who respect you. You think because you are old that you are naturally respected. But, you haven't earned anyone's respect, at least not outside some immediate family members, who names again I refrain from mentioning, because I respect your family.
You obviously have no respect for your family, for for anyone else's. You obviously have no respect for Comanches, or Indians. You fool no Comanches, I know that. I may have a couple of opponents, like yourself and another stray "Comanche" over in the college. You an her hardly represent Comanche people! I don't claim to represent Comanche people, like you do. I claim to be Indian. You won't admit your Mexican background (which is probably more honorable than you, or at least more than how you present yourself). Was it Black Beard or Red Elk? I'll have to ask your relative again. Comanches didn't hand out "membership" in the old free days to just anyone. That full-blood Mexican proved himself to be a terrific warrior. You should honor that. Why deny it? You should be proud.
Don't you think you appear a bit irrelevant? You can't participate even in the most basic political conversation. Wherever in the world you (and whoever assists you) find an article of mine published, if the comment forum is open, you come on and shout, "I'm full-blood Comanche!! Yeagley is not." This is an incredible embarrassment to you and your family. You can't seem to talk about anything. You appear to be mentally ill. The internet is a free place, but, as I said, you don't seem to know how to enjoy it. Be proud of your Mexican ancestor. Be proud of being Mexican. What's wrong with that? You probably have some Comanche blood in you, but, because of your image of low-mindedness, your apparently inability to talk about anything but, "I'm full-blood Comanche!!" (even though you are not–and everyone in Comanche land knows it), all this is shameful. You present Comanches as equally unqualified and unintelligent as your self. This is racism, really. You want everyone to think Comanches are like you. Isn't that kind of racist? Do you have any other thoughts in your head at all? This isn't thinking, what you do. It is racism. You are worse than Herman.
Let it all out yeagley, let it all out. Mental…. yes that is what every Comanche that has EVER had any contact with you say you are! You are attacking a large group of people I feel are doing what they need to do to help everyone NOT elite, to survive in our future. You attack with vile, mean words, is that being a journalists????Is that your Politics? Check out my facebook, its full of your words….for my Comanche friends, your public words, not mine, oh and by the way its for Comanches only, a closed site! I think you know that by now, that's why you are not welcome there either, and I think you found that out too!lol.
Oh, don't hold back yeagley. lol. You want to be a public figure, and publish trash yet you lash out your personal feeling and attack another point of view against your harsh words. You are very mean spirited against anyone who dares to oppose your viewpoint That's your tactic when it you are confronted. You are just as old as I, so don't go there! I never ask for respect from my people, its automatic for us Indians to respect our Elders. You would not know that since you were not raised that way, your Mother told you a different story about the Comanches thus you show no one respect, especially the Women. My Comanche people are no fools either, they read what I copy and post, your own words….you did try to infiltrate but I think I cut you off at the pass……You can have Black Beard or Red Elk, you claim everyone just to be noticed, I don't need anyone but my family and friends who love me as I am, I don't pretend. Name names at the college, who are you talking about…..Oh yea, don't forget the Comanche College will have its 8th Annual Comanche Nation College Invitational Film Festival, and YOU ARE NOT INVITED, AND YOU KNOW WHY………SWEDISH FILM BRING ANYTHING TO MIND?????
Do you count yourself as one of 8 to 10 people who show up at the elementary school to sit and watch DVD's all day? Famous festival, yes. World renown. In your dreams. Your problem is that you have no education. You have no experience or criteria to judge by. No, I will not mention your name here, nor the name of your family. I think too much of Comanche people.
You want everyone to think Comanches are ignorant, petty, cantankerous, self-absorbed anomalies who have never been outside their own teepee. You want the world to think you are to be honored for your ignorance and anger, for your rudeness and loudness.
I'm doing you an unspeakable favor, giving this kind of attention to you, which you have always craved, and been obsessed to get. I'm giving you the best advice, the best council, the best help you well ever get, anywhere, from anyone. But, you are too stubborn and ignorant to value it. I only hope that someone in your family would try to convince you of the truth of what I tell you. But, at your advanced age, there is little hope. I'm sure you've been like this ever since you decided you were to be regarded as an "elder," despite the fact that you have no idea of what respect means.
I'm sorry that you had no upbringing to rely on, or to help you relate to reality in a respectable way. I'm just very sorry about that. Truly.
But, your insistence on publicly obsessing over me, your stubborn, mental predisposition to repeat gossip, slander, and outright lies, like you have here on this forum, are worthy of attention. Indeed.
I know you honestly think you are doing a great and noble service for Indian, and Comanches (even though you are of Mexican descent), but, you don't understand that real people, in the real world, see you as mentally deficient, or worse, a character anomaly, to put it kindly. So, I know you will continue to stalk, until I take out an injunction on you. This is all saved, recorded, and evidence in court. I have said nothing that is untrue about you, when it comes to fact. Yes, I do have to interpret your words, in the rare and unlikely event that anyone besides you is reading this. But, I grant you the freedom to interpret. That is freedom of speech. I grant myself the same freedom. However, libel is not permitted. This will eventually come down on you. I will try to do this without embarrassing your family, of course.
It is you who take everything so personal, I replied to the ugly words use in your comments about the Occupy Wall street. Why do you think you can say these things and those ugly remarks against me on a public forum…..I merely use your own words, I told this time and time again, to show my Comanche People how racists and immoral you are and you introduce your Indianess which to which you try to get sympathy for from whomever. Oh, now your will keep my family out of it. Don't you remember the detrimental letter you published to them? I have a copy of that too, in fact I showed our Lawyers and Chairman and a few Committeemen, and people of interest, that's the reason I say they think you are mental. You can say and threaten and you think people are not supposed to respond. Yes this is all saved and recorded…..you must have lots of money to be suing so many, many people just because they respond to your outbursts…..You and your site libel quite a few people, this would all be taken to court also, I have stacks of copies of your detrimental words and your posters which you allowed to attack, that is on you for being the administrator and NOT FOLLOWING YOUR OWN RULES OF CONDUCT, AND YES I HAVE THEM COPIED ALSO……IN CASE YOU BOTHERED TO CHANGE THEM!
Here is another example of your only so called Indian. She shames me by saying she is Indian, and you shame me for allowing her ……….
Naiche read your words on Indianz.com. You sorry MF'r get your a** over here and I will show you how to howl at the moon like the dog you are. You are too scared and much sissified at your age…….but you begged to join here, so join, you old fool. I will drag you by your dirty apache hair across the internet wait and see..
thundersky/betty ann owens gross
Ziontruth: "…the words of Hillel…" Are not synonymous with the Christian "Turn the other cheek." Understood, neo-Nazi anti-Zionist scum?"
Don't look now, but "Bad Wiring" (a/k/a Yeagley) is the one screeching that Whites are the Master Race. I oppose the Zionist theft of land (and, advocate reparations) on the same ground that Hillel would have.
Jesus is a dead Essene rabbi. I don't care overmuch as to what he says, apart from the intrinsic wisdom of some of his sayings. Anyone who has played chess understands the irrationality of Matt. 12:26 — I would gladly sacrifice a pawn to acquire my opponent's queen. If those were the words of Jesus, Jesus is no god.
As long as you have free reign (isn't FrontPage wonderful?!), as long as you understand how obvious it is when one "interprets" words to one's own purpose, as long as you realize that the Jewish community is strongest of all, regardless of historically sustained in-house dialogues (like Hillel and Shammai–are you acquainted with what these names signify?), then I welcome conversation with you. But, so far, you have been far to quick to respond to fragments, superficial associations, and skeins of ill-purpose. If you want serious dialogue, I'm happy to accommodate you. You'll have to demonstrate that, though. And, be wise, and disregard the remarks of the Mexican descendent (as identified to me personally, by members of her family). We have to do better than this. Perhaps you are frustrated that your works or articles don't appear anywhere, even on your own site (do you have one?) There are many people like you, who live on commentary pages. If this is your choice, as I said, I'm perfectly willing to communicate with you, in hopes of exchanging real ideas. You have to be willing to do that, here; never mind journalistic style or bravura. Just here. Now. Know what I mean?
After all the trash you spewed up front about Caintonette misinterpreting and being superficial and frustrated at not being published you now want serious dialoque. Don't say Mexican descendent as if that was a dirty word, its not. And "Never" mind journalistic style…. if you had any in the first place you would learn first how to spell, your being used, you know it we all know it.
Are you able to read at all? I told you to be PROUD of your Mexican heritage, as a descendant of a full-blood Mexican. Did you not read that? Why do you deny that? Why do you deny your heritage, and deny that I told you be proud of it? What do you think is so wrong with being Mexican? Your Mexican ancestor was honored by Comanches. Why can't you honor that?
Buh, now trying to back step! Funny!
If everyone on the wonderful internet was to know of all your personal background, your story, your life, would that make you happier? Would that make you feel honored? (Does it make anyone feel honored?) Is that what you want? Is that why you are maniacally pestering, pursuing, and 'persecuting' me (you think) every article you see published, every chance you get? Do you think you have something infinitely superior to say, and that if you just say it, all will be well? I, and other Indians as well that have been bothered by you, wonder what it is you are trying to accomplish? You can't accomplish anything by the way you act. You just irritate people, just like you do at every Comanche meeting you've ever been to. Comanche people are wondrously tolerant. This is our tradition. This is why you speak. You know no one will shut you up, no matter what you say. This is also why our tribe is slow to make progress sometimes. Too tolerant of malcontent people who waste meeting time so that decisions are made, because important topics aren't even gotten to on the agendas. You are by no means the only one, of course. But, there seems to be no improvement with age. You have become much worse. Not helpful, not a contributor. Just an opponent. Not only of me, but of others. That is the impression you give. If that is what you want, so be it. But, the longer you repeat gossip, lie, and libel about me, the more I shall begin to expose you for all that you are. This is your decision. I'm sure, in your stubborn and ignorant pride, you will be proud of any attention you get, just like you are now. Doesn't matter what kind of attention it is, just so you get it. You think this is honor. You think this is victory. So be it.
Oh, yes. Ignorance is not a fault, in an of itself. It is not a failure, or a character flaw, in an of itself. When I say you are ignorant, I'm merely saying you have a very, very limited experience in the world. That's all. That isn't a fault. The problem is that you are incapable of recognizing it. Well, that's not a fault either. If you have a problem with me, personally, that is your choice also. I'm only trying to say that you are working against yourself, against Indians, and against Comanche people. You think that displaying your thoughts in the world, even my work, means you are on a par with me, somehow. You think you are equal, or worse, superior. You are free to think that, of course, but, it doesn't make it so. Normal people, most people, know this immediately. But you don't. Therein is the problem. I don't think anyone is too old to grow, to learn humility, to learn to see oneself from another person's point of view.
You can't just assume that because you are old that everyone suddenly regards you differently. It doesn't work that way. You are know by how you have lived your life. That rarely changes in the opinion of others. What have you done? Have you posted your resume? Have you let everyone know what you have accomplished? Have you demonstrated what your values are?
I know you desperately wanted to be included in my libel suit, since you contributed as much as you could to those whom I'm suing. Maybe you feel cheated that I left you out, knowing you wanted so badly to be included. Who knows? If you're lucky, they'll bring you in as a witness, you and the other 'stray' down there. You know who. I would advise you against that, though, for your family's sake. It would bring unnecessary embarrassment to your family. Yet, maybe they don't really care. Maybe they gave up on that sort of thing with you long ago. I don't know. But, I think you should consider showing them respect, and not make a show out of yourself. You don't know any real facts about me and my family. I suggest you stay out. But, you may not be able to. I don't know. I'm sure you will do what ever you think will undermine, negate, or discredit me the most. Just be prepared to walk away chagrined. Ah, but I keep forgetting. You don't have any sense of shame, at least any that shows. Not in this kind of situation. You think you're the authority on all things Comanche–and your the descendant of a Mexican. Well, okay.
Angry..high blood pressure will sure to land you in the hospital again, let it all out, old man!
Wow…very long winded comments and people don't even know of whom you just attacked…..it could not me, a member of your beloved Nation, because I am not seeking any attention from anyone least of all you, what I do seek is to bring your very words forth to the Comanche people whom you discredit with your racist remarks against the Occupiers on Wall Street, and the President of our Country and Black people and anyone of Color. You attack all of America who are not lily white, and all of our Indian Nations. Its you who needs act your age of 60, my Comanche people know me, my looks, my political views within our Nation. I try to take part as much as possible in our Comanche meetings. You wanted to be paid to be there, you wanted funding for filming the meetings, what few you did film cheaply were a mess of gargled, dizzy incompetent, amateurish rubbish and I am being kind here. You couldn't make the meetings because you didn't have gas money! You tried to burst into offices and interview with no appointments, thinking just because you were david yeagley you could. The Indian people don't work that way…..you call ahead, use some respect for the businesses of the Nation. I have a facebook, my pictures are on there, my family, and for the people that know me that is enough, I have had no one attack me but your friend…..and she has been trying every way to break thru. This is not personal at all, this is about your racist comment about the American People who want the same thing you want….to speak out, you made it personal because you just cannot take criticism. A word of advice….watch what you post, it may come back to you….or what comes around goes around….. shame on you old man!
"But better be carefull with your words Teabaggers , because the OWS are getting bigger , and although some true morons have attached themselves to it , it is gaining more and more of the people who got screwed ……." says amused (who apparently isn't)
uh-oh……….they're coming to eat us.
ComancheMoon: "I replied to the ugly words use in your comments about the Occupy Wall street. Why do you think you can say these things and those ugly remarks against me on a public forum"
Bad Wiring can't help it.
He really, is bad to the core, he twists everything he says and tries to make it back on the other person. He tries to ambush with stupid comments, then he threatens to sue when you answer or even don't answer! His comments he thinks are enough to sue others….they are his to own. No answers to any of the comments I made about his not allowing Indians on his so called Indian blog. He won't have us, we are not good enough for his four degreed foreign affairs. Not too many Native Americans are really into foreign affairs, especially Iran or he would rather it be called persia……..We have too many things going on in America, the Land that WE love to bother. I'm tired of you yeagley, you cry too much. if you want…..I'll see you in court, its your call, its you M.O., it's what you do best, I still wonder where in the Hell do you get your money! Oh and you can donate the $1,000 + you get from the Comanche Nation Casinos as per cap to the Comanche Childrens Shelter, now wouldn't that be special…….ha…
Oct. 27 2011,11:40
I see IT lives yet and is still wearing [edited], but thanks for the thought of me on Frontpage Magazine you old hag [edited] CM, but I am not going there.
I read and laughed and laughed you and yeagley lol, but that is what you wanted all along his attention to focus just on you, you got it.
Leave me out of your demented rants. Your words have no meaning or bearing anymore, they are like you barren and washed up [edited]
thundersky / betty ann owens gross
Posted on: Oct. 27 2011,11:59
Oh my! Who in their right mind would want to read your Face Book Comanche Moon!!! Not I nor am I searching for you on that site, yucky, pooey, yucky who ever would want to even join you? Isshhhhhhhh! Lies and more lies you write, say on the Taiwan deal, why bring my name up there you *******.
Thundersky/betty ann owens gross
As I read the above statement by betty ann owens gross on yeagleys blog, I thought to myself, why does she keep attacking me??? Oh at least yeagley had some sense about him to [edite] her expletives, she uses the most vulgar foulest, dirtiest ones and he usually never calls her down, or threatens to take HER to court! In my re;y to yeagley I never mentioned any names, but you took ownership of it, eh. betty ann owens gross!
says betty ann owens gross:
HE FINALLY BANTERED ME, YES MY LOVE HE BANTERED ME ON THE INTERNET…THE UNQUENCHED DESIRE FOR HIS LOVE ALAS, MY LOVE ALAS she says all over the internet and now in Taiwan.(by betty ann owens gross.on badeagle site)
Dr. Yeagley says my love, my love thy are noteth Mexican but I am Comanche and you my love are Mexican please dance for me. thundersky (the vular, nasty one) here the sioux you despiseth come my love, come my love and let me banter you again. :p(by betty ann owens gross on badeagle site)
Talk about following someone all over the net…this is the internet, its open to all, except his site, small eagle, is closed for Indians…cept her. I do wonder why he doesn't converse with the Comanche about Comanche things when he goes all over to make sure foreigners get misinformation about the Native Americans and she has his back everytime…..go away bag.
I know..huh….and did you noticed he tries, and tries to bait me into entrapment then just finially just decided to threaten me to sue anyway. I know his tactics, on his blog he has a really vulgar person attack with filth to do his dirty work while he sits back, I am surprised he even bantered with me here, but I'm tired of him. I got so use to the dirt and filth his body guard used, he is no fun anymore just a bore and he will die a bore……his legacy! No doubt he will come back at me, but like I said he is a bore, liar, and non-Indian. I will take my leave……I wonder why she hasn't been on yet? However I will continue to copy and paste his remarks when I feel the need, he is a public figure after all, and this is the net!
Looks like david yeagley got his way…..no more Comanchemoon, but his vulgar assistant is going forward, she is so nasty and he allows her to keep it going on a supposed Indian site, that is a terrible way to promote your native american patriot site, but then again, you don't really have any indians on it anyway, she is white as you 1/8 or less, just the same as you…….
Badeagle.com go to forums scroll down to On Frontpage Mag. you will see how vulgar betty ann owens gross aka Thundersky is still allowed to be vulgar, nasty and plain uneducated, but a man with 5 degrees allows this on his INDIAN BLOG!!! yeagley lives in the white man's world, not Indian so he cares "NOT", how this nasty person defames the Indian….neither does she.
I see them as poseurs from the Old Left school and they have been brainwashed by these same Old Teachers in our public schools and universities over the last 5 decades. I also see them as INGRATES. They do not realize the greatness, the freedoms, the opportunities of our American heritage, history or values. They instead are selfish anti-patriots whose views simply ignore our Founders, Const., free enterprise system and liberties. Frankly , they are simply pieces of useless trash that even their families might want to redo!
I don't know which side you speak of, but I know that the white supremists are known to use the word "Patriot" in their pleas for white supremacy and to keep white alive above all others…I know there are some people who hate their descendants and espouse causes to try and cover up this hate for themselves…I know as a Native American that this country Was NOT founded for religion, but for greed of the land. The label of "Puritan" by the invaders from across the ocean is a misnomer in the first degree. And the Hate by these descendants and others is still going on by their use of Religion, Tea Party(shame) and the use of Patriots……
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