Fogel Family Killers Caught

April 20, 2011 By 59 Comments

Commenting on these revelations, the Jerusalem Post’s Herb Keinon notes that “over the past couple of weeks, everyone from the World Bank to the International Monetary Fund and UN Mideast envoy Robert Serry has come out with reports declaring that Palestinian institutions are about ready for statehood,” and that last week in Brussels an international donors conference for the Palestinian Authority said, “The PA is above the threshold for a functioning state in key sectors.”

These assessments deal with areas like finance, administration, law, and infrastructure, where current PA prime minister Salam Fayyad is credited with bringing about improvements over the last few years, while ignoring such matters as the massive incitement and hate-education that foster atrocities like the Itamar massacre and a broader societal ethos where one-third of the population said they approve of it.

Yet on Tuesday, while Israelis were celebrating Passover and just two days after the news about the Itamar suspects, Israeli media prominently reported on a Los Angeles Times article claiming that

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is under mounting pressure to unveil a new plan for solving the longstanding Israeli-Palestinian conflict or risk having the U.S. and international community move ahead with a strategy of their own…. American and European diplomats are continuing to prod Netanyahu to lay out his vision for restarting peace talks and ending the occupation of the West Bank. If he does not, diplomats warned, the so-called Mideast quartet—the United States, Russia, the European Union and the United Nations—may attempt to jump-start the process by formally endorsing, for the first time, the creation of a Palestinian state based on the 1967 borders, with East Jerusalem as its capital. Netanyahu’s government has vehemently opposed such a move.

On the one hand, ongoing Palestinian terror that issues from a society festering with hatred. On the other, Western demands—even in the face of raging Middle East instability—for an instant Palestinian state on all of the territory that is supposed to be in dispute. The disconnect could not be more jarring. Just before Passover, Netanyahu told Agence France-Presse that

The core of the conflict has always been the persistent refusal of the Palestinian leadership to recognize the Jewish state in any borders…. Why don’t the Palestinians do something so simple as recognizing the Jewish state? After all, we are prepared to recognize a Palestinian state. Why can’t they reciprocate if they really want peace?

But it’s more than not recognizing the Jewish state. It’s not recognizing the right of the Jews in it to live.

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P. David Hornik is a freelance writer and translator living in Beersheva and author of the new book Choosing Life in Israel. He blogs at http://pdavidhornik.typepad.com/.

  • Ed Mertz

    "Kach Now!" Rabbi Meir Kahane was a modern day prophet. There will never ever be peace with so called partners like this. Wake up Israel. Wake up USA. It does not make one evil to see evil in this world. Listen to Aaron Klein on wabc77 in NYC.

  • Alastair Murray

    These vermin must be put to Death – the Death Penalty must be brought back in Every Western country where terrorism is the root cause.
    It is only followers of the Death Cult that commit these horrendous atrocities!
    I can imagine how the IDF soldiers / warriors feel when told to guard these demons from Hell.
    Somehow I don’t see these two barbarians are long from finding out what Hell is like! May that day come sooner rather than later!

  • WildJew

    We have two choices. Either we stand firm in the face of immoral international pressure, or we succumb to the pressure and learn a hard lesson. Is there any question what a Muslim state in Judea and Samaria will mean to Israel?

  • Amused

    While it is a good thing that these animals have been caught , it is indicative , by their age , of what the palestinians have inculcated in each generation , a SOUL-LESS , HEART-LESS RABID HATRED of JEWS . The act itself accentuates the extent of this mindless hatred . No there will be no peace , not in the present generation , nor the next , for these have been poisoned irreversably . Add to this the evil ethos of religious approval and license .[ afterall this can be found in their holy book ]
    Vigilance and DEFENSE , equals survival for Israel , and NO PALESTINIAN STATE until such a time when a complete epiphany of mind and heart occurs amongst Arabs and muslims , for it is NOT JUST palestinians who would see Israel destroyed and Jews driven into the sea.

    • Chezwick_mac

      How do you reconcile such outspoken support for the Israelis, and your support for the same Barak Obama who is trying to pressure Israel into suicidal territorial concessions?

      • Amused

        Chez , again you display an ignorance which I attribute only to young age , inexperience , blindness due to your Obama Hate Syndrome , or all three .You like many of the other syhophants on this blog hear what you wanna hear and see that only which you want to see. .My first trip to Israel was at 16 in 1966 .On a Cargo ship .Oddly enough we carried guns and ammo to Amman , and the same to Tel aviv .The duplicity of diplomacy is something tat eludes you .Perhaps you forgot that in a middled of a war with the Arabs ,Nixon nearly left Israel hang out to dry .Or the billions we give to Egypt , Saudi Arabia , THE PALESTINIANS. !!! under EVERY ADMIN .The only TRUE non-duplicitous Admin. was that of Truman .Obama is an ide alist , and like all idealists he is naive . I NEVER said I support or even voted for Obama , I simply DONT hate him , dont believe he's a marxist , socialist or communist , nor do I believe he is out to destroy the US ,OR ISRAEL .He mistakenly believes that arabs and muslims can be reasoned with , in regards to Israel .A fallacy which he is realizing more each day .

        • Chezwick_mac

          "Perhaps you forgot that in a middled of a war with the Arabs ,Nixon nearly left Israel hang out to dry"

          RESPONSE: Actually, ignorance is your own forte. During the early days of the Yom Kippur war, Golda Meir sent Nixon a message that said simply "save Israel". He responded with the largest air-lift in military history, tipping the balance of the war, compelling the Soviets to threaten direct intervention, and galvanizing the Arabs into the oil boycott that followed the war.

          How typical of a liberal to get the narrative ass-backwards.

    • Choi

      Israel should let its Druse Border Police "handle" these murderers.
      They KNOW how to deal with these vermin in a way that the vermin FEAR!

  • Amused

    If there is a Death penalty in Israel , it should be exercised immediately upon conviction of these two sub-humans .

    • Chiggles

      There ain't.

  • tanstaafl

    They look like human beings, don't they? But they are remorseless sociopathic killers.

    A Buddhist monk once explained Buddhism with 4 words – "Do good. Resist evil."

    In Islam, believers embrace evil and kill without thinking.

    • mali_b

      "They look like human beings, don't they? But they are remorseless sociopathic killers. "

      Bring to mind things like the Hamas Mickey Mouse…

  • Terry

    These slimeballs aren't alone in their guilt. What about their families, their teachers, their preachers, who enabled them to become lower than german nazis?

    How about all of those responsible, including the slimeballs themselves are executed? And don't forget to bath them in pig fat first.

    Jewish life has been too cheap for too long. Make those who take it pay the full price.

  • Venkatesh

    What a henious act. Cowardice is not the word. Bomb the hell out of the B——s.

  • Dispozovdaburka

    "We can forgive you for killing our children,
    but we can't forgive you
    for making us,
    kill yours."
    Golda Meir

  • conservative4ever

    I'm glad they were caught. Hate is such a waste of energy.

  • BS77

    Anyone suggesting these vermin be given a "state" is a complete idiot. Give them NOTHING.

  • ObamaYoMoma

    Why can’t they reciprocate if they really want peace?

    Because it is not about creating a Palestinian terrorist state, indeed it never was. The so-called Palestinians are the proxies of the Islamic world and the jihad has always been about the conquest of Israel for Islam. Indeed, it is also part and parcel of the global jihad that also intends to conquer western civilization as well.

    Moreover, the last thing the US should be doing is following the lead of the delusional Euroloons and the UN, but that’s exactly what we have been doing for many years.

  • aspacia

    There never will be internal or external peace with Muslims.

    At the moment, regardless of what International opinion is, allow the Muslims to continue massacring each other, and when worn out, allow Israel drive out the Muslims from Sinai, Gaza, The West Bank, and allow Israel to prosper.

    • WilliamJamesWard

      I think Israel should go back to the Biblical borders, the promised land
      is for the posterity of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Wonders never cease
      and I have confidence in Providence. I agree with you but see a bigger
      entitlement, as for the murderers they are just two of millions that must
      be dealt with…………………………………………………..William

      • aspacia

        Why not! Muslims use their Qu'ran against Jews; Jews can use their Torah against Muslims. Besides, Jerusalem is not mentioned in the Qu'ran or hadiths, and Muslim claim to the city are bogus.

  • Vermont Yid

    They need to be put to death. Anything less than that is a desecration of the memory of those that they butchered. If Israel will not put them to death, then all is lost for the soul of Israel.

    Kahane was right, "They must go." What a pity that the government of Israel didn't listen to him and do as he said. If they had, Israel wouldn't have this malignant "fifth column" living among them.

    • aspacia

      Israel's lack of the death penalty, except in Crimes Against Humanity, is routinely used against it. They exchange murdering terrorists for two Israeli corpses. You are right, however, there should only be one appeal then execution.

  • Lovable Curmudgeon

    I hope they incarcerate these animals until Roi is of age and then allow him to slit the throats of these animals in eye for an eye, life for a life, way that the Torah demands.

    • Vermont Yid

      I don't agree with "an eye for an eye."

      It should be a head for an eye.

    • aspacia

      I thought that was the Code of Hammurabi?

  • jtbaumgart

    Time for some public executions. When General Black Jack Pershing had an encounter with Muslim terrorists in the Philippines, he caught 6 of them and put them in front of a firing squad. Before he ordered the firing squad to open fire, he brought a wild pig and had the pig slaughtered before the prisoners. He then had each one of his marksmen dip their bullets in the blood of the pig. He then ordered the squad to open fire. He let one of the prisoners survive and then let him go. Black Jack Pershing never had another problem with Islamic Terrorists.

    I know that my Jewish friends here would not be so inclined to be carry out such an execution, but I know there are a ton of Afghanistan and Iraqi Veterans here in the States who would gladly contribute to the thinning out of the gene pool in Gaza.

    Televise the execution as I have suggested in Gaza and I can guarantee that if you rob these animals of their 72 virgins, that this crap would come to screeching halt.

    • aspacia

      This is a myth.

  • john in cheshire

    muslims need a Hiroshima moment to clarify their minds. In addition, no muslim should be allowed into the West until they have converted to another religion, preferably Christianity.

    • jtbaumgart

      Lets start with Mecca. Make Saudi Arabia into radioactive green glass.

  • Supreme_Galooty

    In the short term, emotions dictate exacting severe revenge, retribution, justice through harsh methods. In the end, however, either Israel will survive and prevail against their muslim enemies, or they will be crushed. Within the next several months, Israel will be faced with significant threats that will imperil her very existence. Her survival will require a total war against Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, and possibly Russia.

    A reasonable course of action for them would be the forced removal of any so-called "Palestinians" from Gaza, the West Bank, Israel itself, and an eternal ban on their return. Continuous fire-bombing of Mecca until not a shred of anything recognizable remains would assure that all of Islam would fight to the bitter end – either their own or that of the Israelis. When one side or the other suffers total defeat and surrenders unconditionally, peace may come to that part of the world.

  • JosephWiess

    Since they've admitted it, the punishment should be: Tie them down to stakes, cover them in pig blood and honey and pour fire ants over their bodies.

  • PAthena

    Calling Arabs "Palestinians" is the big lie concocted by Gamal Nasser, ruler of Egypt, and the Soviet Union, both haters of Jews, in Cairo in 1964 when they invented the "Palestine Liberation Organization", with all the phony history and propaganda that went with it.
    "Palestine" always meant "land of the Jews" or "the Holy Land", and "Palestinian" meant "Jew" since the Roman Emperor Hadrian in 135 A.S., after defeating the last Jewish uprising under Bar Kochba, changed the name of Judea to "Palestinia" and outlawed Judaism. (He also changed the name of Jerusalem to Aelia Capitolina.) That is why Great Britain was given the "Palestine Mandate" as "homeland for the Jews" after World War I.
    These Arabs do not need or deserve yet another state.
    President Barack Obama, member of the church of Jew-hater Jeremiah Wright for twenty years, shows his Israel – Jew hating colors by supporting the Arabs.

  • 080

    When the Japanese caught the perpetrators of theAum Shinrikyo who released sarin gas in a Tokyo subway they hanged them. Anything less in this case would be a travesty of justice.

  • Amused

    You know Chez , you're too easy , all one need do to prove the depth of your ignorance is to let you continue to run your mouth .You're wrong BONZO , next time you hurriedly google a subject you know nothing about , atleast read it through . Nixon did in facyt allow the Istaerlis to run out of ammunition , but the Israelis won the war anyway .You're an idiot Chez .And you just proved it . Now go and do your homework you DUNCE .

    • Amused

      As far as Obama's naievity , I guess your forgot the speech in Cairo huh Chez ? He stated UNEQUIVICALLY that the US wouyld stand by it's FREIND AND ALLY ISRAEL , regardles of what you brainwashed REPO-CONS think . That statement before the center of the Arab Muslim world …said it all . Stop being a parrot and do some earnest research , and you just might figure out what's going on .

      • Amused

        Until then , you will continue to make a fool out of yourself -IMBECILE !

        • Amused

          p.s. you're lucky your sympathizers took this thread off the frontpage , thgis way when I smack you down , it wouldn't be too embarrassing .
          Lucky for you huh Chez ?

          • Amused

            LOL…back again , I guess they play games too .At any rate ISAID : "Nixon nearly left Israel hang out to dry . Which the Nixon Admin. Indeed did:
            With Egyptian and Syrian troops inflicting heavy losses on Israel's army and air force, a panicked Jewish state pleaded with the United States for help.

            Just days after Egypt and Syria launched a surprise attack on the holiest day of the Jewish year (Oct. 6, 1973), Israel urgently needed more tanks, planes and ammunition, its leaders argued. But 25 years ago, at the height of the Yom Kippur War, the White House responded that it would study the request.

          • Amused

            The Fact that the Nixon Admin , did not want to humiliate the Arabs was negated by the fact that the Soviets were replacing Egyptian losses , and found it then necessarry to ASSURE Israel that it's equiptment would be replaced , this allowed Israel to commit it's reserves fully , which they inturn then won the war .So in EFFECT , it was the promise to resupply and not the arms themselves which allowed the Israelis to commit their reserve tanks & ammo etc to battle.Which is what facilitated their victory .

          • Amused

            And I 'm not a liberal schmucko , nor have I stated such . That is simply YOUR ASSSSS-umption , because I disagree with most of your parroted uninformed blather .

          • Chezwick_mac

            I obviously struck a raw nerve. Your plethora of invective responses proves as much. And all your whining and temporizing notwithstanding, Nixon did indeed facilitate the largest airlift in military history…22,000 tons worth. Meir's plea to "save Israel" was answered in spades.

            And as for Obama standing by Israel, my God man, he won't even be photographed in public with Netanyahu. Liberal delusions can't change reality.

            Anyway, sorry you got so upset. I'll treat you with kid gloves from now on.

          • Amused

            Wrong again Chez , our glorious Admin , limited my posts , then deleted one of them , the way around it is remove key words and make three shorter posts ….you're still a schmuck . You dont even realize your mistakes and you are incapable of acknowledging any Fact which counters your weak and erroneous arguments .But repo-cons do have a rather large memory hole . Dont worry though , you can't upset me , I just find the best descriptive words that fit what you present yourself as .Meir had to beg Nixon , and as I said , and as historical facts prove out , the Israelis won without the weapons replenishment , as you have ignored , that the PROMISE of replenishment , then freed the Israelis to commit their ultimate reserves , with which they won the war .I see being a cognizant dissonant , is another of your strong points . Go look it up chump .

          • Amused

            As for any disagreement with Netanyahu [a man btw I actually met in Israel in 1991,and greatly admire ] there will be spats , but as you can see , no witholding of aid to Israel in any form .As I said , and again which you can look up , there have historically been disagreements with EVERY U.S .Admin. since Truman .I suggest you forget your repo-con rhetoric and talking points , and actually do some research …without the help of Glen Beck , or some of the biased editorials found on this blog , whose main intent is to claim obama's out to destroy Israel .
            But at the end of the day , i can't teach you how to think for yourself .

          • Chezwick_mac

            No offense friend, but the frenetic writing style, excessive volume of comments, paranoid fears that your posts are being manipulated, are indicative of a manic personality disorder. I hope I'm wrong.

            As for you not being a liberal, think about it friend: You are FOR the unions in Wisconsin, AGAINST Gov Walker, AGAINST corporations, and you think Obama is a supporter of Israel. It reminds me a bit of Dan Rather saying that the New York Times is "middle of the road." Just like him, I think you actually believe yourself. Just shows the extent of your confusion.

            For the record, I've read quite a bit on the Yom Kippur War (as well as the '67 War, the Suez crises, the War of Independence, etc). Your insistence that the delivery of 22,000 tons of weaponry during the heat of battle was "holding back" is so myopic that it beggars the mind.

            Meanwhile, take it easy friend. Nobody is out to get you…no one is manipulating your posts…and believe it or not, I'm not the enemy.

          • EVAbeliever

            I find the chain between you and amused rather amusing. Obama is a manchurian candidate that truly hates what Israel stands for. While he did say in Cario that he would "unequivocally" stand behind Israel, Obama's actions to date belie that statement. He has done more to harm Israel than any president, including Jimbo Peanutbrain Carter. Look at Egypt and you can see what Obama's word is worth. And Nixon was not the one responsible for saving Israel in the Yom Kippur War. As much as Amused is right about hanging Israel out to dry it was more Kissinger who wanted to see Israel beg. Do some serious research and you will see that it was Alexander Haig that send Israel a shipload of TOW anti-tank missiles that essentially won the war for Israel (see John Loftus' s America's Secret War against the Jews). With a victory over the Egyptian armored column assuring an ultimate Israeli victory Nixon jumped on the opportunity to claim support for Israel. Nixon was scum but so is Obama.

  • Ghostwriter

    I also think that these animals should be put to death. After what they did to the Fogels,they deserve it. As for their village that celebrated such a horrible crime,they deserve whatever happens to them. Preferably something bad. These people also danced in the streets on 9/11 while three thousand Americans died. I have no sympathy for these people whatsoever.

  • LindaRivera

    US/EU/UK/UN leaders guilt is very great. Western leaders know that Palestinian Authority Muslims are driven by their religion to hate and mass murder Jews. The Muslims actually believe if they murder Jewish innocents – men women, children and babies – they will be rewarded in Islamic heaven with 72 virgins. Murder for sex. The motive to murder is huge. Their sole reason for being is to kill non-Muslims.

    Everyone knows the Muslim goal is NOT peace. The goal is a Second Holocaust of Jews. Western leaders are utterly depraved and completely evil to allow a Muslim terror state carved out of vulnerable, little Israel.

  • Maria

    To prevent next Holocaust for all of us infidels (Christians, Jews, Hinduist, buddists, etc) we must do everything that Obama will not be next President. Where did he take so much money in 2008? Of course leftists like a villain Soros provided him, Unions were the same… and Islamists from all the world. It is Muslim way to transfer money in suite cases (follow Sharia law). I read some blog and Arabs (few) from Palestine boasted that they sent money to him and called others to do it. All Muslims in US contributed money to his campaign. Muslims paid 10% of their income to mosque and from there…
    It should be restored in US death penalty as well for any case of terrorism. For Muslim should be death peanlty thru hanging. Other kind of death will consider for them as a martyrs death and it is kind of reward and pride for them ( follow Quran).
    We must not to forget family Fogel and do whatever to stop Leftists/socialists/neo commi. Let's write letter with your opinion to your Congressman, Senator, call them to their office in Washington, educate people everywhere, etc. We must act but not only to make a comments here and there.

  • WilliamJamesWard

    Round up all of the detained murderers tie them to missiles and send
    them back home with appropriate rewards, on the cluster bombs write,
    candy…………………………………..William

  • Amused

    Oh , What BULLSHHEEET Maria ! First off , get your facts straight -Major Hassan murdered his fellow soldiers in Ft Hood , not his "patients " Palestinians were murdering Jews BEFORE Israel became a State and before arab muslims were called "palestinians " . Judging by your post you are a foreigner [ but it is comendable that your English is passable ] however it seem you have contracted OHS , a typically American disease , OIbama Hate Syndrome . Wanna Blame him for 9/11 too ?

    • aspacia

      Ha, just like many Liberals blames Bush for 9/11. BTW, if she speaks two or languages, she is more skilled than you.

  • cjk

    @Maria; The Man Child (Obama) is a real racist schmuck, isn't he? Who sits through twenty years of a racist hack preacher that extols the virtues of Farakhan, white and Jew hatred and denies it with a straight face. The truth is he was soooo comfortable there that he brought up his two little children in such an atmosphere!! That's right, brought up his children there. The apex of a racist that is kinda like how the two murderous Mooslims we're talking about here were likewise indoctrinated with hate from childhood.

  • Leon

    Give these killers a good christian burial.

  • aspacia

    Why only the Suez. Muslims have proved themselves to be intolerant, uncivilized animals who cannot control their rage nor any emotions.

  • aspacia

    Good idea, albeit, they are ruled by Israel, and this makes Israel culpable for their acts.

  • Amused

    Looks like the confused maria has found a freind in cjk , just as indoctrin ated and confused . Hery you Two ….GET A ROOM !

    • ziontruth

      Why do you keep defending the filthy Marxist in the White House? Even where he isn't to blame, still he shouldn't be cut any slack. Isn't it scandal enough that he's President of the United States, a Marxist in the Oval Office less than two decades after the end of the Cold War? Please, stop coming to his defense. His presidency will be accounted among the chapters of shame in American history.

    • cjk

      So you approve of bringing up ones children in a racist, hateful, situation? Your non-reply is telling.