And unfortunately I cannot accept a poll where 80%-90% of the people wanting anything different than that of the state — in a police state! It’s like saying that there was a poll under the Soviet Union where 80%-90% of the citizens wanted to be governed by socialism. I look at numbers with caution under totalitarian dictatorships. They basically mirror the state’s policy. People are scared to tell the truth, when they know it can get them segregated, threatened, imprisoned, tortured, abducted, raped, or killed.
Regarding the Christian genocide, if you would kindly allow me a separate interview if you’re interested in full accounts of the crimes perpetrated by Mubarak’s regime against Christians to answer this important question; I can write a book with the overwhelming irrefutable evidence to the direct involvement and incitement of Mubarak’s regime in every major terrorist attack on Christians, they don’t even make an effort to cover their tracks.
As for Lara Logan’s ordeal, we have numerous incidents that took place where both male and female journalists, bloggers, and activists were sexually assaulted, stripped naked and raped in public by Mubarak’s thugs. The most famous incident was Abeer Elaskary‘s. In 2005 a woman reporting for the Dostor newspaper, got brutally beaten, sexually assaulted, and stripped naked by Mubarak’s goons. Elaskary identified Major General Maged Elsherbeeni, secretary general of the Youth Committee of the National Democratic Party (NDP); directly giving orders that orchestrating the mobs, including both women and men that assaulted the Kefaya protesters. Logan recounts that after the mob tore her clothes off; they took cell phone pictures of her. Elaskary reports that after the mob tore her clothes off, a state security officer took cell phone pictures of her while telling her, “Show me how you’ll be a political leader after I spread these pictures I took of you.” There are numerous examples of similar cases. And I have friends who were abducted by secret police in civilian clothes and raped in police stations. It’s the regime’s mode of operation; we know it all too well.
During the protests in Tahrir square my brother was brutally beaten and his teeth broken by Mubarak’s thugs as they called him “a Jew”; before the thugs took him to a police station upon orders of the policeman who was telling them to beat him up because he is a “traitor”. My brother was with our friend the Egyptian blogger Sandmonkey, who was also badly beaten and his car was completely destroyed by secret police. It’s the regime’s mode of operation, and claiming that this was perpetrated by protesters only says that Islamic socialist dictatorships are very successful in conniving the west.
I am certainly not saying the majority of the Muslim population doesn’t want Sharia law, but we need to accurately define which type of Sharia law; the one that is implemented in Islamic socialist dictatorship that the west also happens to support? Or the one implemented in Saudi Arabia and Iran? It’s all inhumane, but I believe Egyptians are only holding on to the type they already have. I believe that after 6 decades of indoctrination by the state that Sharia law is the only way, it’s only expected that they do.
The Muslim Brotherhood would love to apply full Sharia law, but it won’t happen soon, as according to their ideology, statements, and literature, they don’t believe that this is the moment of “Tamkeen“, which means “stabilization”, as stabilizing full Sharia law. Although there is certainly no ideological difference between the Brotherhood and al-Qaeda, the only differences are strictly methodological, in terms of the duration of Hudna (truce) with infidels, and Tamkeen (stabilization).
In their literature, “stabilization” is the final stage of culturally subverting a nation before it’s governed by Sharia law to avoid and easily eliminate dissent. And as they repetitively said and their history and literature reveal, now is not the moment of stabilization for full Sharia law, which is already applied in Egypt, minus “hodoud” (the Islamic penal system).
As for apostasy, in 1937 a famous Muslim writer called Ismael Adham, published an article and a book titled, “Why I’m an Atheist,” and declared his apostasy in the national newspaper at the time and he did not receive one death threat, and all the reaction he got was one article by a Muslim writer titled, “Why I’m a believer,” agnostics, atheists and ex-Muslims even had their own cemeteries so they wouldn’t be buried in accordance to Sharia law. The majority of Egyptians were Muslims then, and they are Muslim now, what changed is the system of governance, education, and media that indoctrinates them according the political ideology of the Arab petro-dollars funding Wahhabism all over the globe.
No doubt anti-Semitism is festering in Egypt; but I don’t think stopping it would be through perpetuating the same regime that sponsors and breeds it.
All the important things you stated are symptoms of the malignant disease systematically spread by the state. I don’t believe that Middle Easterners are a lesser specie, so I don’t believe nations are born hateful, xenophobic, intolerant, pyromaniac and suicidal. They are shaped this way by a ruthless system.
I am also not saying I want a ballot-box democracy; I published an article titled, “I don’t want democracy!” I believe in a secular constitutional republic which is light years away after the past 6 decades of destruction Egypt has endured; but I also know that there is absolutely no substitute to peaceful transition of power regulated by law and a new constitution.
FP: Cynthia Farahat my heart goes out to you and your brother, your family and all the brave Egyptians who have been brutalized during their fight for true freedom.
We are not disagreeing about Mubarak and about those who have ruled and continue to rule Egypt; they are truly monsters who are, as you have described, not real “moderates” and who have abused their own people and have played — and are playing — a double game with the West.
The only problem is, who is there for the West to support? It is a tragic situation, and I was emphasizing that part of this tragedy is that the majority of Egyptians do not appear to be inspired by Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine, and in light of the revolution on the streets, that is a problem, a problem in that, while who has been in power is obviously brutal and corrupt, we will get something far more evil and hazardous as a replacement.
So, one thing is clear, we would agree on the benefit of empowering true secular forces who want true freedom in Egypt. How do you advise we do that?
Farahat: Thank you, Dr. Glazov.
No majority sanctioned in an Islamic-socialist police state would be inspired by Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine, as these ideas are banned by the regime. Yet, in light of the revolution on the streets; I respectfully disagree with you.
I was in the protests, and I saw the Muslim Brotherhood kicked out of Tahrir square when they said, “Islam is the solution”, and no one, and literally no one, not a single person addressed their slogan, I was even worried for safety of the man as he was told to shut up or get out while thousands screamed and chanted “Freedom”. There were few anti-Semitic pictures and signs but not slogans because simply no one was repeating them! The signs started to appear only when the Muslim Brotherhood started to join the protests, after Aljazeera started reporting “shock” from the absences of anti-American and anti-Israel slogan, and the following day after their report; voilà — they started appearing holding these signs in very small organized groups that were almost non-visible on the street.
Not a single slogan in Tahrir square demanded Islamism or Sharia law for 18 days, although I repetitively saw signs and heard slogans demanding secularism, human rights and freedom and unfortunately also demanded, “social justice”; freedom was demand not because the masses were inspired by Jefferson or Paine, but because freedom is universal human yearning and I saw it with my own eyes. In the absence of Mubarak’s mobs, Tahrir square was the exceptionally civilized, tolerant and free; and that’s just a fact.
But when I say I am optimistic, it’s not because a hopeful naïve delusion that a ballot-box in Egypt would bring a secular capitalist to presidency after 6 decades of Soviet style indoctrination of socialism and hate. It’s because the confirmation I got from Tahrir square to the fact that all peoples yearn for freedom, but their behavior is engineered according to how their laws, their education systems, and their media. I’ve seen and studied how it’s done. I know the near future of Egypt is not going to be much different from its past; military oligarchies don’t resign.
As for how to empower secular forces, I believe there is no alternative to stopping the unconditional support that is given to the constitutionally theocratic tyrannical Islamic socialist regimes that bans and oppress the true secular forces. If it has to happen, at least it should be conditional.
FP: But wait a minute, we seem to be going in circles here. If the West stops supporting these Islamic-socialist regimes, who will replace them? Again, that these regimes are oppressive and monstrous is a given. But again, Jeffersonians are not set to take power – Al-Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood are. Do you recognize this danger and problem, and do you see a way out of it?
Farahat: I’m afraid I have to disagree with you again, al-Qaeda and the Brotherhood are far from ready to take charge, and they know that Egyptians are extremely apprehensive now, and that any mistake can blow up in their faces, and the Brotherhood is much smarter than to try to seize presidential power and they repetitively expressed that, under these circumstances, they are aiming for the parliament which Mubarak’s regime, and Anwar Sadat, before him allowed them to join, changing their status from a “banned” organization to a legitimate parliamentary opposition. Not that the Brotherhood was ever banned for ideological reasons; it’s simply because they aspire to replace the military oligarchy, not because they disagree on anything, far from it.
I believe that a ballot-box would not bring a member of the Muslim Brotherhood and certainly not Salafis, nor al-Qaeda. There is a hysterical fear of Salafis in Egypt among Muslims as much as Christians, it surprises me every time, but the fact that Salafis attack and harass Muslims here as well makes them widely rejected. They are the least popular political group in Egypt. I only hear that Salafis are popular in Egypt from western media, it doesn’t resonate with me.
Egyptians won’t elect someone like me, but they also won’t elect someone who would apply Hodud (Islamic penal law); the next president will not be very different from Mubarak, the majority of Egyptians also believe in the “devil we know” notion. Being active on the ground here has shown me, and many others activists involved with Egyptian politics would confirm that fact, that Muslims are terrified here of Hodud. Egypt looks like a conservative society, but Egyptians dance and smoke Hashish and party like there’s no tomorrow. And that’s why the Brotherhood knows it’s not their moment of Tamkeen (stabilizing full Sharia law).
Thousands of Muslims are now daily joining “liberal” political parties as the Brotherhood daily loses popularity for trying to preserve Mubarak’s regime and the past status quo.
No person in their right mind wouldn’t fear Islamists; I certainly do, but I also know that they’re not going anywhere near upholding presidency in Egypt and obviously neither anyone else as a matter of fact, the 59 year old military oligarchy is probably staying in power.
I see no way out of this without the western governments making their support to the next Islamic-socialist dictator conditioned with human rights, because the better the status of human rights, the more access seculars have to political participation and spreading their ideas and thus, political reform. An atmosphere where seculars are killed and tortured doesn’t really allow reform; as most seculars would either be dead or in prison, as it used to be the case in Egypt since 1952, till 2003. The regime still banned us after 2003, but it wasn’t as brutal as it was prior to 2003; due to President Bush’s policies.
FP: Cynthia Farahat, thank you for joining Frontpage Interview.
One only hopes you are right. How frightening and tragic it is that back in 1979 so many people argued that a revolution in Iran would not bring in a genocidal Islamist regime, but that is exactly what happened after Carter pulled the rug from under the Shah’s feet. Perhaps the situation in Egypt is different and of course the ideal would be that people like you represented the majority in that country — and would rule it. But empirical realities seem to indicate that that is not the case and there may well be disastrous consequences if certain policies are applied ignoring this reality.
But I think we’ve made our concerns and visions clear in this interview and readers are welcome to read Robert Spencer’s different perspective about the “Arab Spring” in post-Mubarak Egypt — in which he warns that it heralds a resurgent Islamic supremacism.
In any case, Cynthia Farahat, we very much admire you for your courage and it is heroic people like you that need so much more of the West’s support and defense.
Thank you for your noble fight for liberty in the face of monstrous oppression. We hope you prevail and that you will come visit us again soon at Frontpagemag.com.
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