The Case for U.S. Action in Libya

February 24, 2011 By 40 Comments

Muammar Qaddafi’s goal is obvious: If he goes down, he wants to bring Libya with him. He wants the day he falls to be remembered as a day of bloodshed, not of joy. His fighter jets are firing on protesters and a new report says he has ordered the destruction of his country’s oil facilities, which would eliminate 75 to 90 percent of the next government’s revenue and make the world feel his pain as oil prices skyrocket. It is time for the U.S. to step in.

President Obama finally made a statement yesterday about the uprising in Libya, saying the violence is “outrageous and unacceptable” and that the government had a “strong responsibility to refrain from violence.” As for a response, no specifics were offered beyond: “We are reviewing a variety of options with our international partners…”

President Obama should have called for Qaddafi’s resignation days ago. If Hosni Mubarak qualified as a leader unworthy of office, then Qaddafi surely does as well. Yet, in the speech, Qaddafi’s name was not even mentioned. The Obama administration has made improving the image of the U.S. a top objective of its foreign policy but its failure to decisively side with the people dying for the rights we cherish is tarnishing it. It is time to unequivocally stand in favor of the Libyan revolution.

As Paul Wolfowitz points out, the Arab world is seeing a connection between the unengaged attitude of the U.S. and Secretary of State Clinton’s 2009 meeting with one of Qaddafi’s sons. The Libyan ambassador to the U.S. has turned on Qaddafi and is cautioning the U.S. that its current posture gives the appearance to the Arab world that the West “has only a materialist mind—they don’t care about human rights…except when it comes to their own interest.” The Arab and Muslim world, he said, “[won’t] trust America or the West if they behave that way.”

The U.S. and its allies should immediately reach out to any non-Islamist party or opposition leader in Libya, including the tribal chiefs, to begin forming a transitional government. This expression of confidence that Qaddafi will not last will do much to motivate the Libyan people. This transitional government, if put together before the dictator falls, should be given authority over liberated territory like Benghazi. The military and police who have defected can become part of the new security forces that can prevent anarchy, and elements of the regime that have embraced the revolution should be welcomed. Through this government, the West can deliver humanitarian supplies to bring relief to the conflicted areas. The creation of this body would help non-Islamist forces organize for the day when elections are held and would make for as smooth of a transition as possible.

The U.S. must take the lead in the international community in warning that the names of anyone carrying out violence against the protesters are being collected and they will be prosecuted. The assets of any official who has not turned against Qaddafi should be frozen. Fighter jets being used to fire upon the Libyan people can be shot out of the sky, especially if Libyan airspace must be entered to evacuate staff and citizens. The mere threat of this would cause most, if not all, of the fighter pilots to go AWOL. The alternative is to watch Libyan protesters get massacred while they ask why the U.S. does nothing and time is given to Qaddafi to destroy his oil infrastructure.

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Ryan Mauro is a fellow with the Clarionproject.org, the founder of WorldThreats.com and a frequent national security analyst for Fox News Channel. He can be contacted at [email protected]

  • Johne Rutely

    Dont get involved!! Whatever the US does will be looked upon as being wrong. Surely we dont need another Iraq or Afganistan. Deal with the outcome whatever it may be. Whilst we sympathize with Libya's plight, history has shown that any non Arab, non muslim outside help always backfires on the helpers no matter how well intentioned.

    • ziontruth

      Good post. The Muslims are never thankful for non-Muslim help, they think it's what is due and not a favor. The Marxists are quick to call it "neo-colonialism" and "White Man's Burden," and then proceed to provide aid and comfort to any Islamic insurgency that follows.

      Interventionism is long past its expiry date. Let every non-Muslim state take care of the Islamic invasion army on its own soil (which means taking on multiculturalism, and on the Marxist fifth column as a whole), and then let the Muslims stew in their own juice. The only pressing issue is that of energy sources, but even here the present predicament is usually self-caused, the result of caving in to the environmentalist scam.

      • muchiboy

        "White Man's Burden,"

        Israel?

        " caving in to the environmentalist scam."

        Hook,line and sinker.

        "let the Muslims stew in their own juice."

        As much as we may like others to "stew in their own juice",ziontruth,the world is much too small and interrelated today to allow that attitude to become the norm.I'm sure there were those in influential positions who voiced a similar opinion or sentiment when they learned of the fate of Jews in Nazi enslaved Europe.Never Again.muchiboy

        • MixMChess

          "'White Man's Burden,' Israel?"

          Muchiboy, Israel cannot be considered a "white" nation by any sense. Recall, over 20% of Israel's population is made up of Arab Muslims, Arab Christians, non-Arab Christians, Druze, Bedouins, Circassians, Asians and others.

          Eighty percent of Israelis are Jews of different ethnicities and races from Arab countries, Ethiopia, India, Russia, the former Soviet Union republics, Latin America, the U.S. and Europe. Refugees from Arab and Muslim Middle Eastern and North African countries and their descendants make up over 50% of the Jewish population.

          At a minimum roughly 60% of Israel's population is made up of Arabs, Jews, Christians etc. that originate from non-European countries.

          Of course, leave it to a racist Rhodesian to see the world only in terms of race and black and white. You are truly a disgusting and vile human being.

        • MixMChess

          "Never Again."

          This coming from the racist corrections officer who constantly beats the war drum of genocide against Israeli Jews and Jews generally worldwide (diaspora – muchiboy loves that term).

        • ziontruth

          "Israel?"

          Nope. Israel = indigenous Palestinian resettlement. It's Israel's enemies who believe in the "Muslim Man's Burden" of bringing it the "light" of shariah rule.

          "As much as we may like others to 'stew in their own juice',ziontruth,the world is much too small and interrelated today to allow that attitude to become the norm."

          The world is the same size as it has always been. The only thing that's changed is the adoption of Marxist lies like "We are citizens of the world" and "It's a global village." Give those ideas a miss and the world is pretty much as it has ever been.

          "I'm sure there were those in influential positions who voiced a similar opinion or sentiment when they learned of the fate of Jews in Nazi enslaved Europe."

          Me, the only ones I truly hate for this attitude are the British, as they closed to Jewish refugees the one land that was actually theirs. I can lament the other states' hard-heartedness, but it is Britain that truly enrages me, to this day. Britain denied millions of Jewish refugees their life by denying their birthright, and you do the same with your assertion that the Land of Israel belongs to a nation other than the Jews.

      • muchiboy

        "White Man's Burden,"

        Israel?

        " caving in to the environmentalist scam."

        Hook,line and sinker.

        "let the Muslims stew in their own juice."

        As much as we may like others to "stew in their own juice",ziontruth,the world is much too small and interrelated today to allow that attitude to become the norm.I'm sure there were those in influential positions who voiced a similar opinion or sentiment when they learned of the fate of Jews in Nazi enslaved Europe.Never Again.muchiboy

    • muchiboy

      "non Arab, non muslim outside help always backfires on the helpers no matter how well intentioned."

      Truer words were never spoken.The Arabs certainly didn't show their appreciation for the "help",read occupation, of the Zionists.Talk about ungrateful Palestinians.muchiboy

      • MixMChess

        "The Arabs certainly didn't show their appreciation for the "help",read occupation, of the Zionists."

        Funny, considering that the Arab population grew and benefited because of early Zionist activities in the region during the 19th century. Interestingly enough, as the Jewish settlement developed in the 19th and 20th centuries, Arabs from outlying regions and from other countries immigrated to these areas because of the economic boom the Zionists had created. How were the Jews thanked? Oh that's right, TERRORISM and MURDER.

        Even in 1948, the first leaders of Israel begged the Arabs to stay in their land and work in cooperation with Israel to rebuild the region. Of course the Arabs rejected this offer and chose a war of GENOCIDE and TERRORISM against the Jews.

        Most recently, Israel has provided the Palestinians with literally millions of tons of humanitarian aid as well as economic and financial aid. How is Israel thanked? Palestinians inculcate their children with XENOPHOBIA, HATRED and actively murder Israeli children.

        I guess the Palestinians really are ungrateful disgusting pieces of garbage, huh, muchiboy?

      • ziontruth

        Johne Rutely wasn't talking about Palestine, you monomanical piece of excrement!

  • Amused

    How refreshing to read a comment that is not made out of Obama Derangement Syndrome , but based in COMMON SENSE . The situation is soley in the hands of the dictators and their people . We will deal with the results …..OR we can start a Middfle East War . When neighbors across the street get binto a brawl , and the "cops " [ The U.N.] are powerless to physically do anything , one simply waits until the brawl spills out and spreads on to your property ….THAT is when you become rightfully and physically involved .Otherwise , you let it play out …PERIOD .

  • Donavan

    Qaddafi ordered the blowing up of a plane (with many Americans aboard). It blew up over Lockerbie Scotland. All the passengers died. Qaddafi did this in revenge – for U.S. airstrikes on targets in Tripoli and Benghazi killed 41 people, including Gadhafi's adopted daughter. But these airstrikes were because Qaddafi ordered the 1986 bombing of a West Berlin disco, killing two American servicemen, a Turkish woman and wounding 200 others. Qaddafi once predicted that the streets of New York would be running with blood (this was before 9/11). So I would suggest, that we take out Qaddafi. The Arabs may or may not blame us for it. But they will understand.

  • ObamaYoMoma

    The Arab and Muslim world, he said, “[won’t] trust America or the West if they behave that way.”

    In reality it doesn’t really matter how we behave since the Islamic world is obligated to hate our kafir infidel guts per the dictates of Islam no matter what. Don’t believe me, go to Afghanistan on a Friday and listen to the tone of the sermons with respect to the USA’s presence in the country, even after all we have done for them. In fact, the Iraqis can’t wait until we finally leave.

    The U.S. and its allies should immediately reach out to any non-Islamist party or opposition leader in Libya, including the tribal chiefs, to begin forming a transitional government.

    If the USA reaches out to any non-Islamist party or opposition leader in Libya, they will not only be seen as blasphemous apostates that should be executed per the dictates of Islam, but they will also be seen as puppets of America and Israel. You remind me of the loons in our government that urged GWB to occupy Afghanistan and Iraq to ostensibly win the hearts and minds of Muhammadans despite the fact that Muhammadans are obligated to hate our kafir infidel guts no matter what.

    Through this government, the West can deliver humanitarian supplies to bring relief to the conflicted areas.

    Why? It won’t make them hate our kafir infidel guts any less. Indeed, that reminds me of GWB dropping care packages from the skies to the Afghani people below during the war, while OBL and AQ were escaping into Pakistan or Iran because we had become sidetracked by trying to win the hearts and minds of Muhammadans that are obligated to hate our kafir infidel guts no matter what like unhinged idiots. I mean the fantasy-based nation-building mission in Afghanistan to win the hearts and minds of Muhammadans is almost 10 years old, and you are still as oblivious as the day we started dropping those care packages from the sky while OBL and AQ were escaping.

    The creation of this body would help non-Islamist forces organize for the day when elections are held and would make for as smooth of a transition as possible.

    I hate to rain on your jaw dropping naïve parade, but there is a reason there are no democratic countries in the Islamic world, it’s called Sharia. Indeed, democracy is the last thing we should be pushing in the Islamic world, as democracy is an open invitation for the most fundamentalist elements in the society to gain power, as they will inevitably use it as a vehicle to take over the country, just like Hamas in Gaza did and Hezbollah in Lebanon did. Some of you guys are incapable of learning from past mistakes.

    The reality is that it is very probable that the Qaddafi regime is coming to an end, and so the U.S. should start acting now to influence a post-Qaddafi Libya, such as by helping non-Islamists organize.

    Again, any secular opposition will not only be seen as puppets of America and Israel, they will also be seen as blasphemers and apostates from Islam as well.

    It is incorrect to assume that Qaddafi’s secular governance means that he is not contributing to the spread of radical Islam.

    To the spread of radical Islam as opposed to what…a mythical and non-existent so-called moderate Islam…yeah right! Dream on.

    –Continued below

  • ObamaYoMoma

    Qaddafi even declared jihad “by all means” against Switzerland for banning minarets on mosques, though he backtracked to say he did not mean through violence.

    In my book but obviously not yours, non-violent stealth and deceptive jihad in the long run is far more dangerous than the violent variety, since it takes place mostly undetected.

    The Islamists will have a better chance of out-organizing secular opponents and a lack of security will permit terrorists like the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group to gain a foothold.

    Send me your email address. I’ll send you back a dime so you can go buy a clue. By the way, just out of curiosity, in the almost 1400 year history of Islam, how many Muhammadan majority countries were ever successful in escaping the shackles of Islam? Here’s a small clue: exactly zero. Good luck!

    Massive destruction, including of the oil facilities, could ensue with all its horrific economic effects for the world. And if the regime survives, there’s no telling what Qaddafi will do, especially if he reconsiders his abandonment of weapons of mass destruction. All the other leaders in the region debating between accommodating and ruthlessly suppressing their own uprisings will choose the latter.

    The only thing I could possibly support would be the obliteration of Gaddafi and his military forces from the air. However, I would not want one American soldier to ever set foot on the soil of Libya under the false pretense that they will like us more, because they won’t.

    the U.S. will align itself with the people fighting for freedom, doing more to blunt anti-Americanism than President Obama’s Cairo speech ever could.

    Yeah right…if you are gullible enough to believe that, then I have a bridge I need to sell you. By the way, how is the winning the hearts and minds of Muhammadans coming along these days in Afghanistan and Iraq these days?

    The destruction to Libya will be limited and a smooth transition that gives an advantage to non-Islamists will be underway.

    Go buy a clue.

    Western investment could flow in as the situation stabilizes and those fighting governments willing to use violence, like Iran, will know they can prevail.

    Enriching Muhammadans just makes them more capable of waging jihad against kafir infidels. Indeed, we should be doing exactly the opposite; we should be confiscating their oil wealth and oil assets to render them into abject poverty and to make it impossible for them to wage jihad. Otherwise they will use their oil assets and massive oil wealth to wage jihad perpetually against all unbelievers per the dictates of Islam.

    It will be a glorious day when Qaddafi meets his demise, and the U.S. should be able to say it helped make it happen.

    However, I do agree you with one thing though, Obama should have called for Gaddafi’s resignation at the first hint he was in trouble.

  • Col. Bunny

    This call for U.S. intervention is too facile. "People fighting for their freedom"? Puhleez.

    A lot of violence around the world is “outrageous and unacceptable.” So? We're not the world's EMT squad.

    We don't need to take on another exercise in "nation building" and there's zero reason to believe intervention wouldn't become exactly that. We're not responsible for every internal upheaval.

    As with the Balkans, Libya is in the back yard of the Europeans. They're such great humanitarians. Are they wringing their hands over this and, if not, why not? Let them get involved if they want to. The French love the Middle East so much. Their air force can patrol the Libyan skies and do a really great job in the process. Weren't they the ones who who wouldn't let us overfly France when we went to bomb Gaddafi? We already stuck it to Gaddafi back then. Time for the French to step up to the plate to atone for their appeasement back then. There's a bit of cosmic justice for you.

    • muchiboy

      "The French love the Middle East so much."

      Didn't the French have a role in developing Israeli nuclear capability?Didn't the French supply Israel with Mirage Jet Fighters.Etc.You ungrateful whiners.muchiboy

      • MixMChess

        Want to talk about whining? The Arabs illegally possess over 85% of the Jewish National Homeland and they still want to steal more land. The Gazans receive millions in tons of humanitarian aid from Israel and they still lob missiles at Israeli children. The W. Bank Palestinians have experienced an economic boom (8% increase) thanks to Israeli economic and financial support and they still want to steal historic and indigenous Jewish lands like E. Jerusalem from Israelis.

        So who is really ungrateful muchiboy?

  • Jim_C

    "It is time for the U.S. to step in." ??? For the love of God, will FPM ever get it?

    "As PAUL WOLFOWITZ points out…." You're kidding, right? Did you really just write that? Are you going to ask Feithen and Perle what they think next? You guys really think the American military is a toy to put down on whatever part of the map your flighty little mind is on today?

    Before you hit the "thumbs down" button on my post, just think of every time you've asserted that these people aren't exactly hungering for Jeffersonian democracy.

    • Stephen_Brady

      Jim, did you read the enitre paragraph? This wasn't a kneejerk reaction to his name, was it?

      I quote: "The Libyan ambassador to the U.S. has turned on Qaddafi and is cautioning the U.S. that its current posture gives the appearance to the Arab world that the West “has only a materialist mind—they don’t care about human rights…except when it comes to their own interest.”

      Obama's reaction … or non-reaction, as I see it … to this entire crisis is emboldening our enemies because they perceive him, and therefore the US, as weak. No, I don't want to see US troops in Libya. But why not put a carrier battlegroup off of Libya's coast and show that deeds, as well as words, might be forthcoming?

  • flyingtiger

    Am I the only one who remembers that Rev Wright abd Farragan all received money from Qudafy? Now he is expecting help fom us. I say, let them fight it out.

  • Supreme_Galooty

    The Arab world won't trust America and the West? You can hardly blame them. Hell, I don't trust America and the West right now. If we ever recover from the cultural mudslide we've been experiencing for one hundred years or so, if we ever get lucky enough to get a grown-up in the White House like Eisenhower or Taft or Reagan, we stand a chance of garnering respect. I want respect for this country either out of admiration or out of a sense of fear – I don't really care which.

    But this squishy collection of ordure over-populating our halls of government today should cause any sane person to shout, "STAY OUT OF LIBYA!"

  • Sergey

    "It will be a glorious day when Qaddafi meets his demise, and the U.S. should be able to say it helped make it happen."

    Oh yeah, and the Muslim world will suddenly fell in love with US infidel dogs and "Zionists, Crusaders and Imperialists" ! Now sarcasm part is over and let's get real.

    What did US get for intervening on behalf of Muslims in Afghanistan, Bosnia and Kosovo ? We've got SEPTEMBER 11th and Al-Qaida terror war of ANNIHILATION AGAINST America and the rest of the world. Did US and the Western world got any respect from Islamic world after overthrowing of Saddam, the butcher of Shiite Muslims in Iraq ? Do we need to continue with these insane humanitarian interventionist policies to save one group of thugs against the other ? Let them fight it out and let us simply help anyone who wants to escape this nightmare. Let us set up some sanctuaries in Africa to let non-combatants to escape to make sure that they don't have to go to Europe, America and elsewhere around the world in large numbers.

    That's it—NO HUMANITARIAN INTERVENTIONS ON BEHALF OF ISLAMIC THUGS !!!

  • Amused

    There is no case for U.S. action in Libya , NONE . No way No how .If the price of oil goes up , then let "our freinds " the Kuwaitis, the Saudis , Bahrainians , Qatars , BOOST PRODUCTION AND LOWER PRICES .

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    I'd say Egypt has it's hands full with it's own problems. It doesn't need to go borrowing trouble at this point.

  • muchiboy

    There are very good reasons for bringing regime change to Libya but as this is a tribal society,there are special and unique dangers.
    If the West,including America,does intervene in Libya,then perhaps America might grow the balls to take a more heavy handed but more even approach to Israel in the Israeli/Palestinian tragedy.muchiboy

    • lessiboy

      OK – Lets establish a Palestinian state on the West Bank with a capital in Jerusalem. Lets evacuate all Jews who live there and put them in Tel Aviv. Then, when the tiny Jewish state faces Palestinians armed with rockets and planes and more all from heights looking their very narrow population centers, and gets annihilated, then we can say:
      "Ooops!"
      But at least we were morally "pure"!

    • ObamaYoMoma

      Muchiboy…don't you ever tire of trying to facilitate the next mass genocidal holocaust of Jews? Seek mental help!

    • MixMChess

      "…perhaps America might grow the balls to take a more heavy handed but more even approach to Israel in the Israeli/Palestinian tragedy."

      You mean like how America has promised half a billion dollars to the blood-thirsty Palestinians who have already promised to use the funds to murder more Jews?

  • joel

    At the very least the us military needs to rush to the Libyan oil fields to keep them from being blown up! Anyone learn a lesson from Saddam frying the Kuwaiti oil fields while we just stood by? The New York Times buried news of the Nazi Holcaust in its back pages! Everyone in fact dropped the ball on this one,along with the genocides of Cambodia,Ruwanda,Sudan,Darfur…How long are we going to tell evil rulers they can slaughter their own people? How long are we going to keep decreasing our army? Yes,I agree with one of the commentators above that France should …

    • muchiboy

      "buried news of the Nazi Holcaust in its back pages! Everyone in fact dropped the ball on this one,along with the genocides of Cambodia,Ruwanda,Sudan,Darfur…How long are we going to tell evil rulers they can slaughter their own people?"

      Agreed,joel.Had we acted so much sooner,the Holocaust may not have achieved the horrible dimensions it did.And we could have saved tens if not hundreds of thousands of Tutsi.On balance,I don't know if Iraq was wise,just looking at the numbers.Bush elder was perhaps the wiser of the two.Unfortunately for America,the home of the Brave and Free will always have to bear the brunt of such sacrifices.muchiboy

      • MixMChess

        Strange, coming from the same corrections officer who is a cheerleader for genocide against Israeli Jews and diaspora Jews.

  • muchiboy

    "But at least we were morally "pure"! "

    Not only is the road to Hell paved with good intentions,lessiboy (coooo!!!!!!! name),sometimes,even when followed by good deeds and actions,you find yourself in Hell anyway,despite your best intentions and efforts.In Rhodesia,and perhaps other Asian or African colonies,things went from bad to worse,with Independence and majority rule.But do you deny rights because you fear the outcome?When a child reaches the age of majority,we allow him or her to vote.We do not tell them how to vote.muchiboy

  • muchiboy

    "trying to facilitate the next mass genocidal holocaust of Jews?"

    This is Palestine we're talking about,ziontruth,not Germany.The most civil and civilized Europeans with the most technologically advanced society carried out the Holocaust,not the Palestinians.Your people have done as much or worse to the Palestinian people as they have done to you and yours.In fact,the Diaspora who occupied Palestine are likely closer in many ways to the German people who carried out the Holocaust then are the Palestinian people you fear and accuse.Personally,I think both Jewish (Israeli) and Arab Palestinians could live together in a single state or side by side.Either way,it will happen someday.The alternative is unacceptable.Both our peoples have suffered too much,too long,especially the Jewish people. muchiboy

    • MixMChess

      "The most civil and civilized Europeans with the most technologically advanced society carried out the Holocaust,not the Palestinians."

      Wrong, the Palestinian Arab leadership were active collaborators in the Nazi Holocaust against Jews and became allies of Nazi Germany.

      The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem (Haj Mohammed Amin al-Husseini), the political and religious leader of the Arabs, organized "Nazi Scouts" based on "Hitler Youth." In 1936, the Mufti led orchestrated violence against Jews killing over 1000 Jews and other political opponents. The Nazi regime in Germany and the Italian fascists supported the violence, sending millions of dollars."

      In addition, the Mufti worked strenuously to prevent European immigration to Palestine so Jews could escape the impending terror against them. Hundreds of thousands, if not millions of Jews were killed in Europe because the Mufti lobbied the Nazis not to allow them to emigrate. Adolf Eichmann, the architect of the "Final Solution", visited the Mufti in the holy land and they worked together. The Mufti visited Auschwitz and hoped to bring a similar method to the Middle East. In fact, the Mufti recruited 20,000 Muslim volunteers for the SS, who participated in the killing of Jews in Croatia and Hungary.

      Yasser Arafat was the Mufti's protégé, and under the Mufti's tutelage, received training from a Nazi commando.

    • MixMChess

      "Your people have done as much or worse to the Palestinian people as they have done to you and yours. In fact,the Diaspora who occupied Palestine are likely closer in many ways to the German people who carried out the Holocaust then are the Palestinian people you fear and accuse."

      Your claim is absolutely ludicrous. The Nazis’ objective was the systematic extermination of every Jew in Europe. Israel is seeking peace with its Palestinian neighbors. More than one million Arabs live as free and equal citizens in Israel. Gazans are governed by Hamas and the W. Bank Palestinians are governed by the civil administration of the Palestinian Authority.

      Nothing that has befallen the Palestinians under Israel’s control may responsibly be compared to what befell the Jews under Germany’s control. The absurdity of the charge is clear from the demographics. In Gaza, for example, the population increased from 731,000 in July 1994 to 1,324,991 in 2004, an increase of 81 percent. The growth rate was 3.8 percent, one of the highest in the world. According to the UN, the total Palestinian population in Gaza, the West Bank, and East Jerusalem was 1,006,000 in 1950, 1,094,000 in 1970, and grew to 2,152,000 in 1990. Anthony Cordesman notes the increase “was the result of improvements in income and health services” made by Israel. The Palestinian population continues to grow exponentially.

    • MixMChess

      Additionally, Palestinians were NEVER "helpless victims". They CHOSE to go to war and mounted a full-scale military attack against the Jews. In contrast, "the Jews of Europe never armed and initiated hostilities against Germany or any other European nation." They were a small minority. The Nazis adopted a policy of exterminating every Jewish man, woman and child in Europe.

      The Palestinians were not "defenseless victims". They were "surrounded by friendly nations who took up arms in 1948 for their cause and who offered them sanctuary". In contrast, "Jews were not surrounded by friendly nations that gave them refuge, or suppied them with armies and arms to defend themselves." The Jews literally were "abandoned" by the world.

      Any Palestinian suffering is self-created. To draw a parallel between Palestinian self-created suffering – losing land, not being allowed to resettle in neighboring Arab states – and Holocaust victims is "absurd and repugnant." Recall, during the Holocaust, Jews had "no options." While Palestinian Arabs could have stayed in Israel, as 150,000 of them did, and become citizens of the Jewish state, Jews had NO recourse. Jews did not just lose their homes: "They were dispossessed, enslaved, tortured and 6 million were slaughtered, 2/3 of European Jewry."

      Palestinians have been organized and have had the support of Arab nations since the 1920's. They could have had a state many times (1937, 1947, 1979, 2000), but each time rejected compromise, and instead chose war, violence and genocide to destroy the Jewish state and steal all of Israel. Jews were never hostile to Germany. They were an integral minority in German society. They did not seek the genocide of the German people.

    • ziontruth

      "The most civil and civilized Europeans with the most technologically advanced society carried out the Holocaust,"

      Technology which the Muslims now have also. But it can be done even without such technology. The Rwanda genocide (1994) was done using nothing but machetes.

      As for being civil and civilized, the Muslims believe they're a civilization; hippies' infatuation notwithstanding, they certainly don't see themselves as carefree savages. Their savagery stems from the license their religion gives them.

      "In fact,the Diaspora who occupied Palestine are likely closer in many ways to the German people who carried out the Holocaust then are the Palestinian people you fear and accuse."

      You're out of your ever-lovin' mind. But we knew that already, so thanks for reinforcing that point.

      "Personally,I think both Jewish (Israeli) and Arab Palestinians could live together in a single state or side by side."

      Personally, I know they can't. I know because it hasn't worked even for peaceable neighbors (like the Flemish and the Waloons in Belgium), so there isn't a snowball's chance in hell it's going to work for sworn enemies like in Palestine. As Steven Plaut says, the One-State Solution is a Rwanda Solution.

      "Either way,it will happen someday."

      No, the Arab invaders will be booted out of Palestine, and will have to make do with the few states (more than 20) and little territory (North Africa, the Arabian Peninsula, Syria, Iraq) they have right now.

      "The alternative is unacceptable."

      No more unacceptable than the expulsion of the Sudeten Germans in 1945, after the end of WWII.

  • Nilsson

    Good to see that even on an Israel First, neocon-crazed site such as this, the audience is getting real at last.

    Is there any little spat in any little country anywhere on this planet that doesn't make a Zionist laptop bombardier want to throw away our blood and treasure on it?

    The Founding Fathers woud have had Horowitz and his meddling tribe of globocops exiled as traitors to the nation for getting us into so many tarpits.

    • ziontruth

      …and the horse you rode in on. It wasn't Israel that pushed America to give aid to Israel, nor to invade Afghanistan or Iraq, nor any other of those things. Take responsibility over your country's actions, you lowly piece of paleocon-spiracytheorist scum.

  • Supreme_Galooty

    The true Palestinians were/are Jews. Today's vicious toads usurping the name are Arabs who belong elsewhere – but NOT in Gaza or the West Bank. I suggest they try the South of France. The Riviera would make a nice home for them. Or perhaps Jordan.

    I know that the so called "Palestinians" are notable for their hate, their viciousness, and their complete lack of work ethic. They are to be shunned. After all, the rest of the Arab world shuns them. Why shouldn't the Israelis too? If they had one single positive attribute – just one – I might think differently.