It emerged that earlier that day al-Haddad had refused to let a woman sit beside him on a TV show. Asked now about women’s rights, al-Haddad insisted that men and women, being different, have different rights; that obliging women to wear headscarves is not an act of oppression any more than parking rules in Britain are; and that “women’s rights” need to be viewed in context. A woman in the audience was given an opportunity to express her own shock at al-Haddad’s views on women: “I am really amazed at the way you think!” For a while, Albrecht gave up his seat onstage to her. “Who gives you the right,” she asked al-Haddad, “where do you get the right, to discuss women’s rights?”
I was shocked too. I was shocked that in the year 2012, these Dutch infidels – intellectual infidels – professed to be shocked, and indeed gave every indication of being sincerely shocked, when they heard a recognized Islamic authority spell out basic facts of Islamic belief. These are the same basic facts that Geert Wilders has been talking about for years. It was for daring to speak these facts – for, in effect, reporting on the same barbaric beliefs and practices that al-Haddad was now not only describing but defending – that Wilders had been hauled into court on charges of having insulted al-Haddad’s faith. Pim Fortuyn, Theo van Gogh, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Wilders – all of them had been reviled around the world as Islamophobes for stating these same facts. But on that evening at De Balie it was almost as if none of these critics of Islam had ever opened their mouths.
By the end of the evening, al-Haddad had made it absolutely clear that he supported the gradual implementation of sharia law in the West – starting with relatively innocuous-seeming stuff like divorce tribunals and Islamic finance, then moving bit by bit into ever more serious territory. One particularly depressing development was that after an hour or so of listening to al-Haddad, Dibi admitted that he had caught himself feeling that al-Haddad, being a scholar, must be right about Islam after all. I’ve often felt that a major reason why less observant, essentially secularized Muslims like Dibi are so hesitant to speak out against the likes of al-Haddad (aside from sheer terror) is that some small voice deep inside whispers to them that he’s the real thing – the good Muslim, a man whose pious certitude, and unwavering devotion to the Prophet shame their own co-optation by infidel decadence.
It was at around this point that Geert Wilders and the Freedom Party entered the discussion – indirectly, to be sure. “Some people in Parliament,” said Dibi, “I don’t want to name the party again, think that men like yourself are slowly colonizing the West – they’re pretending to be nice, pretending to be intellectuals, but secretly they are trying to take over.” Al-Haddad asked Dibi if he had allowed himself to be brainwashed by such silliness. “No,” Dibi was quick to insist, “I don’t believe that” – even though he had just spent over an hour listening to al-Haddad confirm these very warnings. Dibi’s next question suggested that he was, indeed, after the evening’s workout, a torn, confused, and, yes, cowed young man: “Are you slowly, step by step, trying to implement sharia as a scholar?” “Yes,” the scholar replied, “if the people request it.”
Certainly the audience at De Balie that evening was packed with sharia fans. They cheered al-Haddad’s attacks on the West; they applauded his praise of Islamic law. Every outburst of boisterous support for the imam’s ugly sentiments only reaffirmed things that Geert Wilders has been saying for years. But nobody at De Balie that evening – including Bessems, who from beginning to end made clear his utter hostility to al-Haddad’s views – even wanted to mention Wilders’s name.
Note: The author apologizes for misspelling Kustaw Bessems’s name and for accepting indications online that he is connected to the Labor Party. The piece has been corrected accordingly.
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They are not Islamic terrorists. They are just terrorists who murder in the name of Islam.
The Dutch court sounds like the real terrorists. They are the enemy with in
Wakeup…Mohammad had nine hundred unarmed Jews decapitated at Quarazah…THAT IS ISLAM..Muslims love everything Mohammad did…Wakeup!
The real question is whether "Jim" is a lying muslim, or a drug addled libtard.
Of course they are not Islamic terrorists. There is no such tihng as Islamic terrorism, and for the record terrorism is specifically outlawed in Sharia.
They are Jihadists, but our clueless and incompetent leaders with complicit media in tow prefer to keep us ignorant.
The biggest killers of Muslim civilians around the world are other Muslims, most in terrorist attacks. So if terrorism is specifically outlawed in Sharia, then terrorist Muslims are not abiding by this law, yet the vast majority of Muslims make no objection. Something stinks to high heaven here.
Dear Mr. Bawer,
Interesting article on Al-Haddad.
Aside from you spelling my name in three different ways, which does nothing for my google score, I am ever so curious: how am I 'associated with the Labor Party', even a 'member of a leftist establishment party'? This is news to me and I would like to learn about the underlying information you used so that I myself can get adjusted to this next stage in my life and start behaving, from now on, according to my apparent political affiliation.
Thanks so much for your troubles.
Kindest regards,
Kustaw Bessems
Throughout the entire article, that was the one thing that jumped out at you that needed correcting?
Yes.
You might want to address what that jihadist muslim cleric said instead of getting your liberal panties in a wad.
I did, as is stated in this article. I doubt you know much about the state of my panties.
So typical of leftards to split hairs and not to see the forest for the trees. I read the article… you probably only read your name and didn't bother anymore after the first few paragraphs. I think the gist is not to comment on your political affiliations but on the islampandering that's so pervasive in the intelligentsia, that pretends to be shocked at what islam really is, but then resumes it's tired multiculti platitudes without skipping a heartbeat.
I read the whole article, of course. How about you? Did you have my articles, all in Dutch, translated and did you read them before you made your judgement?
Our country is lost because we have a big majority of political correct leaders in politics as well as in churches, synagogue's .
I am warning them for years, but they love to be engaged in Eurabie, NWO and go on as traitors of our country and our personal freedom.
Two years ago we made the DVD "Islam and Truth", with Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Afshin Ellian, Hans Jansen and two imams, Fawaz Jneid and Salah Soltan.
Ask for this DVD (it is free, you can help us with a free gift as you wish), see http://tora-yeshua.nl/2010/06/breaking-news-intro…
Shalom,
Ben Kok (jewish-christian pastor) http://www.tora-yeshua.nl
While I like your post, I do wish you'd make up your mind. You cannot be a "jewish-christian pastor"). You're either Jewish or Christian. Which one is it?
Oh no Ben can be both.
And he sure is.
You might not know but Jewish you can be by birth, Christian by faith.
So unlike being muslim I might ad.
He is a very very brave man. Quite a celebrity also
"You might not know but Jewish you can be by birth, Christian by faith."
Jewish isn't an ethnicity it is a religion. You either follow the religion or you don't but there is no such thing as "Jewish by birth". If he chose to follow Christianity, fine. But what you describe is that his parents are/were Jewish and he is a Christian.
Jewish is both a religion and a ethnicity, we even have our own DNA haplogroup, and there is such a thing a Jewish by birth, you are Jewish if your mother is Jewish
you can be a Jew and not follow all it’s teachings, it’s all in how you behave
But if you choose to believe that Jesus Christ is/was the messiah, you are no longer Jewish. He did not fulfill the Jewish prophesies for the true Moshiach (no second chances, no second coming to take care of unfinished business). So believe in Christ and you are a Christian. You cannot be Jewish at the same time. It's really as simple as that.
Like Paul, right? He stopped being Jewish?
http://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2…
I am asuming you are the same Stern I've chatted with on PJMedia. You are simply wrong about this. The son of Joseph IS the Son of David; there is but one Messiah who comes twice, not two who come once.
Allow me to ask, what IS the Messiah's business, as told in the Scriptures?
OK, so Jesus wasn’t a Jew ? That would certainly have been news to him. In fact Jesus is the Messiah prophesied by Isaiah, Daniel, Moses etc. So a Christian, even a gentile Christian, is in reality a Jew, having taken on board all the aspects of the Jews’ religion as well as accepting Christ, unlike the blind, intransigent children of Israel who had him crucified.
I believe Yeshua and all his disciples were denied the right to pray in the temple — at least according to the N.T. I'd think this qualifies as excommunication.
You're wrong there at least according to the New Testament. Jesus and the first believers were always around the Temple. The high priests and rulers of the Jews never laid a finger on him in the daylight until he finally allowed them to on the day of his sacrifice for their sins.
Being excommunicated by false teachers is a self-contradiction.
According to Wikipedia "The Jewish ethnicity, nationality, and religion are strongly interrelated, as Judaism is the traditional faith of the Jewish nation.[2][3][4] Converts to Judaism, whose status as Jews within the Jewish ethnos is equal to those born into it, have been absorbed into the Jewish people throughout the millennia."
Considering the threat that islamofascism poses to EVERYONE not muslim, does it really matter? What if he called himself a jewish-buddhist? Or jewish-hindu? It seems a trivial concern in light of the topic being discussed.
Yeah sure. Guys like you are just fine with atheist Jews.
It's just islam folks!! The most supreme gutter cult of moon god worshippers. Their pedophilic "prophet" wrote the most disgusting "book" (the koran), known to man. It's a terror guide used today by faithful muslims.
You start here:
Don't hire muslims. We don't. Don't shop in their stores. We won't. Don't shop in stores that hires muslims, and for the sake of courtesy, explain to management why you won't shop there.
Thank you Kafir4life, this is the same boycott I practice in my community, as well as spreading the word to clueless infidels.
I ask businesses if they're muslim owned, if they reply in the affirmative I hang up or walk out. Treat the muslo-fascists the way they would treat the kafir in ANY of their islamo-fascist states.
You don't exist kafir4life, you just don't know it.
So, Ahmed, you're threatening "kafir4life"'s own life, eh?!?? Well then, know that there are PLENTY of us PROUD "INFIDELS" who hate Islam and everything it stands for, and sooner or later we'll run you OUT OF THE WEST!!!! You already have 57 Islamic countries: make something out of them and stop coming to the West to force OUR nations to be like yours!!!! GET OUT of the West and NEVER COME BACK!!!!
When a christians criticize islam and its inhumanity, its racism "
When muslims want to kill everybody not agree with them, its free speech !
In the west we have freedom of religion, in Islam they kill you if you have another religion!
Muslim run away from their dictators to a free west, just with demands of introducing the same dictaorschip here!
Naive politicians are a danger for the freedom in the west!
"Two members, in short, of leftist establishment parties; neither Wilders nor anyone else from his Freedom Party was asked to join the debate"
How do like minded bigots debate each other? Are they going to debate the best way to kill Jews? Will they debate weather Jews are dogs or pigs?
I think symposium of hate would be a more apt description.
You are either for Western Civilization or you are with the islamic savages, there is no longer any middle ground. So put your man pants on and pick a side. By the way, your an ifidel to the muslims so you will not be spared.
I think Adam was indicting the symposium for being islamic! He is indicting islam's pervasive, rabid Jew hatred in his 2nd sentence. I think you're both on the same side of the debate.
cowed young man: “Are you slowly, step by step, trying to implement sharia as a scholar?” “Yes,” the scholar replied, “if the people request it.”
By the “people” he essentially means those non infidel non apostates who have not been “brainwashed” by the west. And to Hell with the rest of them.
I am just wondering how these goofy leftist and their wishful thinking are "shocked" by this muslims thinking. It would be funny if it wasn't so deadly.
It is a mistake to consider leftist innocent in anything. Everything is done with a purpose.
I have a harsh lesson about Islam for you:
http://www.krapuul.nl/wp-content/uploads/moslimsi…
Wise people learn from other people's mistakes but arrogant one learn from their own mistakes, and often times can't even learn.
Even ONE Moslem "in partibus infidelium" is one Moslem TOO MANY!!!! And 3% is more than enough for them to make all sorts of mischief (colonies where we Westerners are as unwelcome as if we were in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, &c.; terroristic activities; pressure upon us to submit to them…)!!!
They're ALWAYS out to wage war against us by all possible means and tricks!! Not one of them can EVER be trusted – ALL Moslems MUST be evicted from the ENTIRE West, and AS SOON AS POSSIBLE!!!!! They're very much like a cancer!!! [Native-born Moslem converts should be dumped into Iran if Shi'a, Saudi Arabia otherwise. Furthermore, any Moslem who has any form of Western citizenship must be promptly disenfranchised!!!]
To stop European nightmare way in our country we must elected out BHO and demand Congress and Conservative's government to STOP MUSLIM IMMIGRATION. Islam is in war with us. Can we imagine that FDR permitted Germans and Japanese's immigration during the WWII. Barbarians must live in their barbarians countries.
No and that's what's so damn aggravating
Hopefully within the next year Islamists will all be deported and our government cleansed of
traitors without slowly slipping into a bloody conflict, well one can wish. It seems that the only
probable path will be war and the only cure victory over evil………………William
They will never wakeup, only when it is to late when they have lost their own head.
In fact, MANY of these "leftist intellectuals" are secret COMMUNISTS who're all too glad to ally themselves with the Moslem cut-throats as they have the same mutual goal of destroying our Western civilisation and everything it and we Westerners stand for. Don't get me wrong, they hate each other; however, they'll fight it out only when we've been exterminated or at least prostrated upon the ground and unable to do a thing to save ourselves!!!
When the civil war against Moslems erupts (as sooner or later it will UNLESS we stop ALL Moslem immigration into the West IMMEDIATELY, RIGHT NOW!!!!), we must remember all those Commies and crypto-Commies who have pushed us into this fix. When we win, those TRAITORS and SEDITIONISTS will need to be tried the same way the Nazis were tried in Nürnberg, with them all however facing the death penalty!!!
Bruce you are a true warrior and scholar!
The main reason lefties are clueless about Islam is that they are too intellectually lazy to learn what it actually means. On those rare occasions when their own naivety puts them in direct contact with a monster/respected Moslem scholar, they finally can't avoid the truth. Let's hope more of these events are scheduled in the future. Free and open speech, about Islam and by Moslems themselves, is the only way Islam will be defeated.
I agree with jiz, Bruce is a hero. Thank you for all you do Bruce! Keep it up!