Mr. Beinart and Mr. Ben-Ami, you attack the Jewish state, but ignore Arab belligerence – is that not a racist approach if you truly seek peace? This Zionist Revisionist is offering you the chance to spread your message – will you accept? Jabotinsky wrote in a 1929 essay called “Peace”:
“A noisy whining is now being set up by a chorus of ‘peace seekers’ who aim to achieve (by preaching exclusively to Jews) conciliation with the Arabs. It is difficult to free oneself from a feeling of disgust. On the morrow of a slaughter so mean and so foul – let us confess our sins and ask that they not beat us again.”
He also wrote in 1929, “The Jewish people – all of us, 100 percent want peace” – and the same holds true today. To me it seems that the interests of Beinart and J Street are focused on weakening Israel, but if they are indeed so concerned with re-conciliation with the Arabs they need to stop preaching exclusively to Jews. If the Arab world wanted peace, there would be peace. If Mr. Beinart and Mr. Ben Ami feel I am wrong then they will surely take up my challenge, right – How about it?
Ronn Torossian is the CEO of 5WPR, a Top 25 PR Agency and author of Amazon best-selling PR book “For Immediate Release: Shape Minds, Build Brands, and Deliver Results with Game-Changing Public Relations,” which is available for purchase here.
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Peter Beinart is in this for the money! He would dearly love your $100K by just reaching for your wallet! No money in the world is going to change this bigot, this Jewish Enabler of Anti Semitism. I boggles the mind when one considers the publicity he engenders amongst intellectually mature readers. "Intellectually mature"?
He is a J Street ally and an even greater ally of Soros and his ilk. His recent assocaition with NEWSWEEK makes his expoundings seem legitimate to some readers.What does that say for NEWSWEEK?
Your attempt to discredit him is admirable but he will rise again like the Phoenix to expound his groundless bigotted views again and again. Let's keep banging away at his credibility. Well done!
He can make more money doing what he does now, as long as people take him seriously anyway.
Once this whole "Peter Beinart is the voice of liberal Zionism" scam goes away, then he'll need money again. But he'll always have a place in some think-tank explaining why it's pro-Israel to destroy Israel.
Correct!
I don't know why the United States even allows Betar members to live in this country. We don't knowingly let IRA members operate here. All this article says is "Big Jewish Impresario waves Monopoly Money at J Street." It's a boast and a bluff. What do you expect from a guy who does PR damage control for Li'l Kim and Benny Hinn? As if this braggadocious interloper were not knowable by his attempt to buy into a discussion with fake checks, you can read this good expose:
http://gawker.com/365723/the-story-of-ronn-toross…
Do you even see the idiocy in your opening two sentences? You wish to ban Jews from living in the US because of their political beliefs, but it's just fine for Irish-identifying Americans as long as they don't "operate here".
Your anti-Semitism shines through even the worst of your BS.
Betar is not a "political belief." It is a Hitler Jugend for Jews. Maybe you want that in Israel, but it has no place in America.
Schlo is not just a troll. It is a Hitler Jugend for.. just Hitler Jugent, that's it. It has no place in America.
More anti-Semitism. You're not satisfied with your first attempt at being offensive, you have to multiply it.
If you are defining American Betar as semitism, then it behooves me to be antisemitic.
Somehow I'm not surprised. Your Jew hatred is well-known on this website. For you,wallowing in anti-Jewish filth is natural. You don't care about Jews. You just hate them for no other reason than they're Jews.
The only way to refute that is to blather on and on about my Jewish friends, my Jewish wife and my Jewish dog.
Jewish wife and Jewish dog? That may explain the hate. Did the dog bite you again, scmo?
You put it down backwards – as always. It behooves you to hate the Jews whatever.
The Jewish people want peace? Really? I thought they wanted "their" land back as the "chosen people" and were willing to fight and kill and steal land for it. Or did I somehow misunderstand the past 110 years of Zionist campaigning? Me, I say let the Jews and Arabs fight it out. I could think of no better outcome than a bunch of religious fanatics slaughtering each other thousands of miles away from our shores. What is certain is that it is not in the interest of the U.S. to support either side, as both side's hands are covered in blood and hold values that most Americans find anathema.
Glennd1's contention doesn't even pass the giggle test. Look at all the polls. 75% to 80% of Americans support Israel, indicating that Israelis hold values that most Americans hold dear.
Yes, but Glennd1 does not appear to be your average American.
I sincerely hope not! If he is, we're doomed.
Of course your comment is "true" but it has nothing to do with my point. Popular support is indicative of just that – how many American morons buy the slop one is selling. They go for ghosts and UFOs in large numbers too. My point, backed up by brilliant and patriotic Americans such as Michael Scheuer, is that we have no strategic interest in Israeli security.
I bet of that inflated figure of people who "support" Israel, many of them are just in favor of the idea of Israel being 5,500 miles away.
"The Jewish people want peace?"
Yes. So do the Arabs. But, the Arabs' idea of peace is not compatible with Jews being alive. It's the kind of peace that proves peace isn't above all price.
"I thought they wanted 'their' land back as the 'chosen people' and were willing to fight and kill and steal land for it. Or did I somehow misunderstand the past 110 years of Zionist campaigning?"
It's our land, without the scare quotes; the Arab colonists have no rightful claim to this land. And it's none of your business. Kindly put your money where your mouth is and evacuate your stolen land for the sake of Elizabeth Warren's ancestors.
"Me, I say let the Jews and Arabs fight it out."
Then shut up, already.
"I could think of no better outcome than a bunch of religious fanatics slaughtering each other thousands of miles away from our shores."
Nice, but the religious fanatics fighting us—the Muslims—are already at your shores too.
"…as both side's hands are covered in blood and hold values that most Americans find anathema."
If you're going to make all the Leftist talking points, don't forget the one that posits America to be stained in the blood of "original sin" and guilty of a bloody history itself. I don't buy that, because I'm not a treasonous piece of excrement like you, but for consistency you should.
Lol, the usual nonsense from you. What you can't get away from is that I would shut up if folks like you and others didn't keep acting as though the U.S. has some moral obligation to support the territorial ambitions of Zionists. I have no issue with Israel per se, but rather with the idea that its cause is moral and deserves American support is where I get off the train.
Fyi, the only place in the world that Jews are really safe is in the U.S. – I say we offer a 3 year refugee/open immigration program for all Jews worldwide. Anyone who doesn't feel safe or simply wants to live under our security umbrella can immigrate here. And you shouldn't complain, it's better than we've done for many other oppressed people in the world. And just so you know, I wouldn't even do the same for Taiwan or South Korea – them I say cut off and let them fend for themselves. I could care less if Jews get some land they think God gave them. I could care less if Taiwan remain separate from China. I could care less what South Korea does – let them figure out how to get along with their neighbor.
The alliance we've struck with Israel is exactly the kind of entangling alliance our founders wanted to avoid. It's a religious based land dispute half a world away from us. As for our bloody history against the indigenous people here before us, it is indeed a national shame that most Americans want to ignore. But where we are different than guys like you is that we openly acknowledge our horrific actions against native Americans. Folks like you don't even want to acknowledge what all historians (Zionist and non-Zionist) now readily acknowledge about Israel's horrific actions bewteen '47 and '49, cleansing 650,000 Arab Muslims from their newly West-awarded territory. Fyi, this action violated the very U.N. resolution granting the territory – and the Balfour Declaration and the British Mandate for Palestine. But I understand, if you had to admit that Zionists engaged in a 50 yr bloody struggle to gain their land, using terrorism, perfidy and political manipulation, you'd have to give up your moral superiority. You'd have to admit you are no better than any other group of people seeking advantage over another, using the coercive power of the West to gain advantages that you could gain no other way.
But that would require honesty, a trait you seem to lack in favor of partisanship. Fine, go "rah rah" for your side – but just remember, you don't have right on your side. And I'm no leftist, fyi. Just a person who bothered to read the history of the region. Other people reading here should know that more than half the Jews living in Israel agree with my characterization of Israel's actions in its founding. It's mostly ignorant, right-wing Americans (mostly evango Christians) who support Israel no matter what. And most of them do so because they fervently desire to see Israel build the "third temple" – and they care more about their religion than they do the U.S. and our national security.
Did you ever see the map of the Mandate, glen? I doubt that. Because if you ever did, you'd not embarrass yourself with such idiocy as the statemment about the Jews violating anything. Anyone with half brain looking at the map, will recognize that the Jews got the smallest and the least valuable part of the Mandate territory. What the arabs want is judenrein "Palestine", and you have to be either a moron, or a liar to deny this simple fact.
"…as though the U.S. has some moral obligation to support…"
You don't, and I've always said so, so stop kicking that strawman. The issue is your sentiments are pro-Arab, thus not neutral.
"Fyi, the only place in the world that Jews are really safe is in the U.S. …"
Until some crisis comes. Jews in 1920s Germany thought they were safe too. Whatever lack of safety there is for Jews in Israel is well offset by being on our own land to defend.
"The alliance we've struck with Israel is exactly the kind of entangling alliance our founders wanted to avoid."
Very well, I've always been for restoring the U.S.-Israel relation to a normal one, neither of hostility nor of alliance. But that also means you don't take either side in the Middle East conflict, and that you turn a blind eye when we boot all the Arab colonists out of our land. You as a commenter are anything but neutral. Again: You've consistently taken the Arab side with your talking points.
"As for our bloody history against the indigenous people here before us, it is indeed a national shame that most Americans want to ignore."
Talk is cheap. I don't see anti-Zionists demanding nothing further than talk from Zionists. No, I see them demanding, all the time, real payment with real stuff—land and the cessation of Israel being an exclusive sanctuary-state for the Jewish nation. These are demands we can't comply with.
"[blah blah blah usual Electronic Intifada talking points] you'd have to give up your moral superiority."
You wouldn't know about moral superiority if it slapped you on the face. You side with the ambition of the Arab/Islamic imperialists, possessors of many states over a huge mass of land, to rob the Jewish nation of their one and only tiny piece of land in the world. You're as fit to talk about morality as a fox is fit to act as a Hen Security Advisor.
"…but just remember, you don't have right on your side."
I do, but you must realize that, with each word you spout about "right on your side" and "morality" and all that yang, you refute your claim to be a "pox on both houses" isolationist. Time and again I've told you: You're a fraud, a pretend-isolationist who's in reality as pro-Islamic and anti-Zionist as any DailyKKKos interventionist. That sheepskin has long ceased to fool me.
Remove the illegal Palestinian settlements from Jewish lands!
Lol, get some help.
Beinart, all self-hating Jews and all anti-Semitic non-Jews and all Arabs are in reality, Jewish supremacists. The reason why they preach and reprimand Jews but not Arabs, is because they expect better behavior from Jews than they do from Arabs. In fact, Arabs themselves, expect better behavior from Jews than they do from their fellow Arabs. How about ending Moroccan Arab settlements in Western Sahara? Where were the condemnations of Saddam Hussein's policy of Arabizing Iraqi Kurdistan? How about ending Han Chinese settlements in Tibet?
None of those groups to which you refer are receiving billions of dollars in U.S. aid.
I'm surprised that a PR expert hasn't learned that placing PR for an adversary or a competitor is counterproductive. It amounts to giving them free PR and elevates their status and credibility. Unless, of course, Mr. Torossian is smarter than I think, and he's doing PR for himself.
Of course, Beinart and his partner in crime aren't going to accept your challenge and offer. They are simply self-hating Jews, extremist leftist style, who are merely agitators doing the bidding of other anti-Semites in political capitals of the world, starting with Pennsylvania Avenue in the U.S. J Street wouldn't get any publicity at all, being the miniscule organization they are, if not for the left-wing msm.
Schmo-motion and glendd1 are trolls who get their kicks out of posting inflammatory comments in websites like this one. They think of themselves as sharp-witted grandiose intelectuals with tons of knowledge and the self-righteousness that only a leftist fanatic (but then again, leftists cannot be religious, er, fanatic) believe its their God-given right (oops, they don't believe in God).
Frankly, answering to their garbage is just an exercise in futility. The reason they keep coming time and again is because they get replies from people. They cannot get their adrenaline rush from a human-to-human discussion or by simply getting laid, so they come here to look for their daily amusement. If no one answers their crap-ish posts, they will crawl back to their leftist-islamist websites where they will be just one more of the Jew-hating crowd.
"The reason they keep coming time and again is because they get replies from people."
I disagree with that. From my experience, trolls don't stop posting just because they don't get replies. As in real life, only a forceful reaction (whether physically for the playground bully or metaphorically for online trolls) can make them stop. I don't care much, but those who badly want them gone need to petition the site admins to ban them. That's the only way to make trolls stop.