I for one welcome this new CAIR policy of honesty and openness. Any day now, maybe one of their directors will admit what they truly stand for.
A Council on American-Islamic Relations leader told a crowd at a rally for Islam that members of the faith should not be bound by American law.
“If we are practicing Muslims, we are above the law of the land,” said Mustafa Carroll, executive director of the Dallas-Fort Worth CAIR branch.
The rally in Austin was part of a nationwide effort to hold “Muslim Capitol Day” events. The event included a speech by a representative of Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam, who declared that Texas was an awful place and that Islam was the answer.
“Why did Muhammad say that he would not rest until the Koran was the law of the land?”
“Islam does not have Texas in the current condition, the current socio-political condition that Texas is in. What is this condition that Texas is in? Why is Texas on the brink, when you look at Texas in comparison to 50 states, education, percent of population graduating from high school is 46, high school completion rate is 46, the scholastic assessment rate, the SAT score in Texas is 47, the percentage of population with no health insurance in Texas is first, those without health insurance Texas is first. When you look at the state of a child in Texas, the percentage of uninsured children, Texas is first… etc etc
You shouldn’t be filing legislation against Islam, when you look at Texas, Islam is not the problem. Islam is the solution. Allah Akbar.”
Clearly when we look at the literacy rates and health insurance rates in the Muslim world, we cannot help but see that Islam is the answer. That is assuming the question is how can we make Texas more like Somalia or Egypt.
Herman Mustafa Carroll had defended terrorists, perhaps on the same theory that Muslims are superior to the law of the land.
“I think you can only blame Hamas for so long. It takes two to tango. And I think, you know, that what we’ve heard for a number of years is this terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, Hamas, Hamas, Hamas, was not just Hamas.”
“Look at the true cause of the terrorism. It’s not somebody is reading a book, reading a Quran, and then go out and say, ‘Well, the Quran told me to blow this up. I’m gonna blow it up.’ The cause, the root cause of terrorism is oppression. The root cause of terrorism is oppression.”
Oddly quite a few terrorists seem to read that book and blow people up. Others read the book and declare that Muslims are above the law of the land. It sounds as if these two phenomena share a common root cause.
I thought Nation of Islam Muslims and the old fashion regular Muslims didn't get along very well?
Well anyways, this has obviously been their belief for a long time. As we saw, a Muslim was allowed to be POTUS and he wasn't even born here.
There is NO longer any doubt – Islam is NOT compatible with the west and that it that. Its essence IS the submission & subjugation of ALL infidels – http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/08/05/islamists-hav…
Most significantly, Muslims have a blood pact with Allah and the west is in its cross hairs – http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/07/13/islam-blood-a…
Adina Kutnicki, Israel http://adinakutnicki.com/about/
Did the 'CAIR director' just figure out that all law abiding people are in fact above the law ? Gee, that's progressive thinking at its finest.
Imagine a world whereby law breakers are the only ones under the penalty of law …*chuckle
Cair cries about hate crimes in the USA against muslims? Well what about what the muslim hate crimes against Jews in Europe? Jews in France are so scared that they are leaving. The same thing is going on all over Europe. So you muslims stop crying. The party is over.
More assploding hypocrisy from CAIR.
***CAIR Founded By Terrorists***
"We Know The Founders Of CAIR Are HAMAS Operatives"
CAIR Has Been Identified By The Government At Trial As A Participant In An Ongoing And Ultimately Unlawful Conspiracy To Support A Designated Terrorist Organization, A Conspiracy From Which CAIR Never Withdrew.
Mustafa must have fallen off of the wagon or turnip truck, one of them to be sure. The baby
hat he is wearing reminds me of infants at large and I wonder at Islamist infantaside towards
Christians and Jews. Crime is below Mustafa's law, women and children are fair game in
shoving Sharia down the throats of innocents who are at risk by Islamist holy warriors who
have no bounds. How is it we allow air to be wasted on monsters who are here to subvert
and destroy. Texans get your house in order………………………William
Muslim apologists want to, in anyway they can, incrementally push sharia law into the United States. Once they get an inch, it'll be like cancer, and be like hell to every get it eradicated.
e.g., Muhammad started Islam in one small city in Saudi Arabia, and look where it's now.
Obama is the strongest opponent of Islamic terrorism in the world today, even more so than Benjamin Netanyahu. No other American president has been more ruthless in pursing Al Qaida, and no other American president had the honor of having a personal fatwah issued against him by Osama bin Ladin. All of this will become more clear in the years ahead. In the meantime, it should not escape the attention of the anti-Obama crowd that their opposition to Obama lines up very nicely with the forces of terror.
What many seem not to understand is that Obama is NOT a Muslim. Yes, he was raised as one, but he is a Marxist and fits in very nicely with the global elites’ plan for world domination through the venue of cultural Marxism (multiculturalism, political correctness, etc.).
Right now, the same global elite that installed Obama as president is also using the Muslim Brotherhood and Islam to do its dirty work of toppling one regime after another in the Middle East. Once toppled, an MB puppet is installed (like Morsi) and at some point in the future, the global elite will simply take over these nations publicly that they have been running from the shadows.
Obama is HARDLY “the strongest opponent of Islamic terrorism in the world today.” I have no idea where you – Texas Patriot – are getting that. He actually SIDES with terrorist factions because the global elite NEEDS them…for now, just as they need Obama…for now.
The fact that Obama continually gives BILLIONS to Morsi’s terrorist-related government as well as Syrian’s “freedom fighters” tells us that rather than setting himself against terror, Obama actually sides with it. He helped topple Mubarak, then Qaddafi as well as others. Why? Because the global elite wants to install MB puppets in each of these countries. Obama is not opposed to terrorists. Under orders from the global elite, he is USING terrorists to achieve what is deemed necessary by the global elite.
I hate to sound conspiratorial, but it seems to me that the global elite has been working overtime through Obama to gain the wins they need to eventually subdue the world. They chose wisely in installing him as president because of his apparent ties to Islam and the fact that he is a “person of color.” When people disagree with him or his policies, they are drowned out as racists. Yet, for the most part (bin Laden not withstanding), the Muslim world cheers Obama. They have even said he must step up and take his rightful place within Islam.
People need to wake up and understand that Cultural Marxism has been at work in America since the end of WWI. It has been moving steadily along in America, destroying it from within. Obama is merely the newest face of Cultural Marxism and he will be valuable until no longer needed by the global elite.
What is this "global elite" you are speaking of? Can you be a little more specific about that? Do they know each other? Do they communicate with each other? Or, are they more like Al Qaida in that they don't know or communicate with each other but rather act independently for the same common objective? And if that is the case, what exactly are their objectives? Any link to any information that would help to illuminate this idea would be very much appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Otherwise, I think it is clear that the world, including Obama, is slowly waking up to the nature and extent of the global jihadist threat. Clearly Bush didn't understand it, nor did any other American president before him. If anyone was excited by the so-called "Arab Spring" (and I think at first many conservatives saw it as a vindication of their policies in the middle east), those days are now over. However bad Mubarak and Gadahfy were, there is an entirely new reality in the middle east today, and the fundamentalist islamist Muslim Brotherhood is at the center of it.
Why do I think Obama is the strongest opponent of Islamic terrorism in the world today? Because actions speak louder than words. From my standpoint, Obama's ruthless efficiency in dismantling Al Qaida is but a foreshadowing of what we will see in the years immediately ahead.
Obama's ruthless efficiency in dismantling al-Qaeda? So al-Qaeda have been dismantled have they?
Er… if you say so.
So al-Qaeda have been dismantled have they?
I didn't say that. You did.
As Muammar Gaddafi said during his visit to the United States in 2009, there are probably Al Qaida sleeper cells throughout the United States, and he knew more about it than most of us ever will.
So where's the "ruthless efficiency"?
I'd like to know the answer to that one, too. On first glance it might appear that Obama has done a much better job of eliminating terrorist cells in Pakistan than in America. But we can't be sure about that. In all fairness, Gaddafi was talking about the situation in 2009, less than a year after Obama took office. The truth is that Obama needs to be even more ruthless against the sleeper cells in America. Should he be able to use drones to get the job done? You bet.
"On first glance it might appear that Obama has done a much better job of eliminating terrorist cells in Pakistan than in America."
The first glance being listening to leftists.
"But we can't be sure about that."
We can't be sure that 0'Bama has them destroyed? They simply move when they run in to superior forces. And they see our mercy as evidence allah wants them to fight to victory. They must be defeated decisively if you want to take the threat away. They have not been beaten decisively and it's not clear at all that they've even been reduced at all. A few died. Wow.
"In all fairness, Gaddafi was talking about the situation in 2009, less than a year after Obama took office."
That Bush was not ruthless enough?
"The truth is that Obama needs to be even more ruthless against the sleeper cells in America."
That's for sure.
"Should he be able to use drones to get the job done? You bet."
Anyone advocating drone use in US territories or the territories of our actual allies doesn't understand their use at all. They're for spying, and are adapted for use in precision "sniping" (as opposed to dropping 500-pound bombs) when we don't have enough control on the ground.
IMO, Bush was not ruthless enough. Basically he didn't follow the first rule of warfare: know your enemy. In all fairness, understanding the amorphous and ever-changing nature of the global jihadist threat is not an easy thing to do. But clearly, the Bush Doctrine of moving large, hugely expensive, and highly vulnerable land armies into the desert to be sniped and bled to death by a largely unseen enemy was not a wise strategy.
The Obama Doctrine of hitting their leadership whenever and wherever they may be found is vastly superior. Basically, the Obama strategy is to be even more stealthy than the terrorists. Here's a hint. Before you can beat an enemy, you have to be able to think like the enemy in order to anticipate their next move. Fortunately for America, Obama is probably one of the few people on earth with the capacity to do that.
And of course drones are the weapon of choice for that kind of warfare, both at home and abroad. Unmatched surveillance capacities and the ability to effectuate precision strikes are the keys, and drones have both.
"IMO, Bush was not ruthless enough. Basically he didn't follow the first rule of warfare: know your enemy. In all fairness, understanding the amorphous and ever-changing nature of the global jihadist threat is not an easy thing to do. But clearly, the Bush Doctrine of moving large, hugely expensive, and highly vulnerable land armies into the desert to be sniped and bled to death by a largely unseen enemy was not a wise strategy."
This wasn't Bush alone in a room coming up with plans. Read about "transformation" and you'll find that we tried to change tactics too fast, forgetting fundamentals. They supposedly learned this lesson when they started promoting each of the "surges" which should have immediately followed the liquidation of the respective regimes.
I agree he wasn't "ruthless enough" but that was not something you can use to argue 0'Bama is superior because you give 0'Bama the benefit of every doubt while looking only at what Bush "could have" done if only things went better.
0'Bama didn't have to develop any war plans. All he did was show up and pretend to run the show after everyone else did that, and you give him credit where credit isn't really due. Using drones is politically safe. That's his only motive.
"The Obama Doctrine of hitting their leadership whenever and wherever they may be found is vastly superior."
Politically it's the only safe thing to do from the time he arrived in office.
"Basically, the Obama strategy is to be even more stealthy than the terrorists."
0'Bama the engineer developed all of that technology. Amazing. I didn't know this.
"Here's a hint. Before you can beat an enemy, you have to be able to think like the enemy in order to anticipate their next move. Fortunately for America, Obama is probably one of the few people on earth with the capacity to do that."
Unfortunately for the USA, he thinks like the enemy because he is in bed with the enemy. Actually he is a tool of the enemy. He's a bigger dupe of the Saudis than Bush.
"And of course drones are the weapon of choice for that kind of warfare, both at home and abroad. Unmatched surveillance capacities and the ability to effectuate precision strikes are the keys, and drones have both."
I have no problem with the drones. 0'Bama gets no credit for continuing the only program he deemed politically expedient to aggressively continue. So we are told.
We've always had the technology, but we haven't always had a president who was willing pull the trigger. Most presidents prefer to expend massive amounts of money and men rather than taking the most direct and expedient approach afforded by technology. Obama may be the exception. He has an opportunity to "defang" N. Korea and Iran with technology. Let's see what he does.
"We've always had the technology, but we haven't always had a president who was willing pull the trigger. Most presidents prefer to expend massive amounts of money and men rather than taking the most direct and expedient approach afforded by technology."
Not since the August 9, 1945. That is not to say we need 100% of our power to be deployed in every case, but losing through compromise with domestic enemies is very sad and makes me angry.
"Obama may be the exception. He has an opportunity to "defang" N. Korea and Iran with technology. Let's see what he does."
I told you I'll be the first to admit I'm wrong once you show me. I'll be breathing normally in the mean time.
So, you didn't write "From my standpoint, Obama's ruthless efficiency in dismantling Al Qaida is but a foreshadowing…". Maybe you're getting your sock puppets mixed up.
Hahaha Nope. I was talking about Iran's nuclear weapons facilities. Taking way Iran's nukes will be much easier than getting rid of Al Qaida sleeper cells in America.
"I was talking about Iran's nuclear weapons facilities. Taking way Iran's nukes will be much easier than getting rid of Al Qaida sleeper cells in America."
What's he waiting for? The next congressional elections? Some patriot.
What is he waiting for? Let;s just call it the right moment.
Your wishful deluded thinking is absolutely mind boggling.
"What is he waiting for? Let;s just call it the right moment."
So he's a Hollywood script writer too and he knows that destroying the enemy too soon is boring and makes people disengage. We need to wait for the detonator to be on the last countdown and then send in the Seals, and THEN we nuke their facilities and roll end credits.
The right moment passed years ago because we are still to this day wasting time and money, distracting people from doing more productive things. But I'm sure 0'Bama knows best. There is no way the Saudis will allow America to tolerate a nuclear armed (Shia) Iranian regime. But it does serve Saudi interests to wait until the last minute. Maybe that is the right moment you refer to.
The right moment is when world opinion, particularly the Russians and the Chinese, is unanimous that the Iranians have no intent to abandon their nuclear weapons program, and that may well be at the last minute. There is really no alternative, though. Having the Russians and Chinese on board with what may need to be a nuclear strike against Iran is essential.
"The right moment is when world opinion, particularly the Russians and the Chinese, is unanimous that the Iranians have no intent to abandon their nuclear weapons program, and that may well be at the last minute. There is really no alternative, though. Having the Russians and Chinese on board with what may need to be a nuclear strike against Iran is essential."
Then it ain't gon' happen. Don't you understand the Russians and Chinese love this face off, pitting the US against a renegade Shia? They love us fighting Iran the way smart people want Shia and Sunni to kill each other. They don't want it to end at all.
So you agree practically that it will never happen because that moment will never come. If he is waiting for "consensus," it's from Sunni factions like the Saudi nationals and others.
We don't even have consensus in the USA thanks to the Democratic Party and that includes your hero.
It's not true. The Cold War alignments are a thing of the past. At this point in time, the three greatest powers in the world are America, Russia, and China, and by far the greatest threat to the entire civilized world is islamic jihadism, and the Russians and the Chinese know this as much as we do.
Are the Russians and the Chinese going to unilaterally abandon their former surrogates N. Korea and Iran easily or quickly? No. But as we are seeing in the case of N. Korea, China is completely on board with us in clamping down on nuclear expansionism by N. Korea, and Russia will eventually be on board with us vis-a-vis Iran.
But in order for that to happen, we will need to give Iran every possible opportunity to stand down before we take matters into our own hands.
"It's not true. The Cold War alignments are a thing of the past. "
Being revised does not make something a thing of the past.
"At this point in time, the three greatest powers in the world are America, Russia, and China, and by far the greatest threat to the entire civilized world is islamic jihadism, and the Russians and the Chinese know this as much as we do."
Agreed. I simply disagree with your analysis of the implications. There's a simple logic to having everyone ganging up against the worst guy. That's not how it often happens. It won't play out like that here. I suspect you didn't understand what I wrote above. You didn't actually address my theory.
"Are the Russians and the Chinese going to unilaterally abandon their former surrogates N. Korea and Iran easily or quickly? No."
Agreed. There's not much reason to hang on to Korea though. The Chinese are doing this just to hammer the West for minimal cost. When those factors are less favorable, they'll change to the most favorable position for them. The Russians will do likewise. The Russians don't have the same interests as the Chinese, just in case that's not clear to you.
"But as we are seeing in the case of N. Korea, China is completely on board with us in clamping down on nuclear expansionism by N. Korea"
North Korea has nearly depleted its utility.
"and Russia will eventually be on board with us vis-a-vis Iran."
Iran has a lot of oil, and a lot more influence in the world than pariah North Korea. That's the first major failure in your analysis. I'm not worried about North Korea, other than their bilateral relationship with Iran. That means they're also willing to use religious terrorists, IOW Islam, as a tool against the West and the larger world if need be. They're aligned with the Islamists for political reasons.
So even if Russia professes to be "on board" with giving up Iran (which is doubtful), there is very little if any chance that Russia and China will profess simultaneous public support to take out Iranian nuclear programs. Too many of them think that Pakistan proves we can trust Islamic regimes with nuclear weapons. We've even got id-i-ots calling themselves conservatives who believe that containment is the best answer. 0'Bama knows this.
"But in order for that to happen, we will need to give Iran every possible opportunity to stand down before we take matters into our own hands."
That's the excuse. I know. But hey, it's not like Iran is an aggressive supporter of global Islamic terror. Is it?
Hey Einstein:
Have you taken the time to peruse this Moron's background to understand that when he first
announced to the planet that he was sealing his personal records, the red-flags should have gone
up, but instead, George Soros and others like himself, greased the palms of Congress, not to vet
this Communistic Moron. Because most Americans are lazy, they also did not vet this Moron, and
consequently he was elected in 2008 and 2012. The 2012 election was rigged, for certain. Your
hero is nothing more than a Communistic dupe that Soros and his ilk recruited because of his
blackness, and would not have to answer questions pertaining to his screw-ups, because no
White citizen cares to become involved in being accused of being racial prejudiced. This is the
trick card that this Moron plays, without ever opening his mouth. He uses the Race-Card each
day and draws from the writings of Saul Alinsky and Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven,
all Communists.
Actually, I'm more impressed with how Obama is going after Al Qaida in places that the mighty neocons fear to tread, i.e. the politically sensitive areas of Pakistan and Yemen. Also I like the fact that he is more interested in killing Al Qaida with pinpoint drone strikes than in needlessly throwing away trillions of American dollars and thousands of American lives with hopelessly vulnerable land armies that do little more than needlessly pour massive amounts of American "blood and treasure" into the bottomless pits of middle easter deserts as his predecessors did. But if you are more interested in some sort of prehistoric paper trail, you can spend all the time on that you want. Be my guest.
"What many seem not to understand is that Obama is NOT a Muslim. Yes, he was raised as one, but he is a Marxist…"
He is a Muslim because his parents made him one. End of story, His personal beliefs? I don't think 0'Bama has consistent spiritual beliefs.
But he is a Muslim in the eyes of other Muslims. They don't even consider him an apostate by and large. He attended a "Christian" church for political and social cover.
His ideology is definitely shaped by Marxism. Marx was not coherent so why should anyone he influenced be? Delusional people can fuse things that are inconsistent with one another since they don't need to be consistent with any realities.
Hey Einstein:
He is definitely a Muslim, but I am curious of where he hides his prayer rug in the
White House. Inform me when you become privy to its location.
"He is definitely a Muslim, but I am curious of where he hides his prayer rug in the
White House. Inform me when you become privy to its location."
Because?
Obama is no Muslim. He's a born again Christian. And that drives the neocons absolutely crazy.
"Obama is no Muslim. He's a born again Christian. And that drives the neocons absolutely crazy."
Have we not been through this before? Do you have evidence that counters what I provided already? Can you account for your certainty in contradiction with the evidence provided?
Attending a communist Christian church run by a "Christian" who claims Islam has no theological conflicts with Christianity is not very good bone fides for someone who attended school as a Muslim. Not compelling evidence at all for someone who would have considered it practically fundamental to success in politics to claim faith in Christianity.
And a Muslim can claim Christianity because their ideology states that the "true Christians" were Muslims.
But don't let ANY of the facts disturb your delusions. No reason you can't have your fantasies.
https://www.google.com/search?q=islamic+requireme…
"Inform me when you become privy to its location."
https://www.google.com/search?q=islamic+requireme…
"Right now, the same global elite that installed Obama as president…"
I need to understand your definition for "global elite." You know there is not one coherent "global conspiracy" I hope. There are factions that want to hijack elections to bring on their flavor of the new world order, but there is no single definition of what the "NWO" will be. It's just a phrase that without context doesn't mean anything specific other than a future different than what we've had in the past.
A global caliph would be just one example of a "NWO." Anarchists have other ideas, as do socialists, communists, and other delusional people. Some just envision the world with no dominant super power, because they think that all of the wars after WWII were due to America's aggression in opposing the peace loving communists. At the very least there are 2 competing conspiracies, but Id say they're not actually coordinating the way you think they are. They are driven by various radical ideologies. They are not driven by a coherent central command.
Oh I see, so when Obama calls the Fort Hood murders a 'workplace incident', when he employs members of the Muslim Brotherhood into his administration, when he deliberately does nothing to stop terrorism during the Benghazi attack, and when he tries to open U'S. borders to floods of illegal immigrants, jihadists and crminals, it's because he's an opponent of terrorism!
I must have missed something.
"I must have missed something."
I think that's a fair statement. If you look back over the long history of war between the East and West all the way back to the days of Alexander the Great, you will see that the oldest trick in the Eastern playbook is to lure Western armies into the desert where they can be stripped of blood and treasure. Obama is the first American president who hasn't fallen into that trap. The only way to win against the globalist jihadist threat is to be more invisible and more ruthless than they are, and that is precisely what Obama has done, and is doing, particularly in Pakistan. Otherwise, I think it is a fair statement that the West is still in the process of waking up to the nature and extent of the threat, and whatever mistakes Obama may have made pale into insignificance when compared with the mistakes of his predecessors.
You hero Obummer is just continuing what Bush started, Bush started the drone program and as more drones have come online, they are using them. So before you get a tingle up your leg about your hero Obummer,it is only going to worse, and as for ruthless effiency by this administration? It is obvious that you don't know jack about warfare or what the current policies are.
Hahaha Thanks for the laughs.
I do agree that you are amusing, for you are long on mouth and short on facts.
The thing to focus on is how afraid Bush, McCain, and virtually everyone else in the pre-Obama leadership structure was of offending Pakistan. McCain argued in 2008 that unilateral drone strikes against Al Qaida would violate Pakistan's sovereignty. Obama ignored all that and went forward anyway with massive drone strikes against Al Qaida in remote areas of Pakistan where invasion would be difficult or impossible. That's what makes him great, IMO. Of course now that we discovered that Osama bin Ladin was hiding out in a luxury villa only a short distance from Pakistan's version of West Point, no one is worrying about Pakistan's sovereignty anymore. Like him or not, Obama is the best best we have for putting a silver bullet in Al Qaida's heart.
Well, we know that *someone* went forward with the extra-judicial executions. We don't know explicitly that it was BHO, and given his liberal use of vacation, golf, and fundrasing, I don't think you can make a convincing argument that it was actually his policy, and that it wasn't in place before he came on and applied his "hands off management and leading from behind" style.
Er, that is beyond obvious that he feels free to bypass Congress.
Maybe you're right. He's after AQ, and at least prefers one brand of Sharia over the other. Hopefully that makes a difference to someone.
Regards,
That's hilarious. I guess when Obama blows Iran's nuclear weapons facilities out of the ground, *someone else* will have done it, right?
"That's hilarious. I guess when Obama blows Iran's nuclear weapons facilities out of the ground, *someone else* will have done it, right?":
Will that blowing up Iran's nuke weapons facilities happen before, or after Obama and the Muslim Brotherhood reestablish the Middle East Caliphate?
The biggest surprise in store for the Muslim world is that Obama is not a Muslim. Never has been, and probably never will be. Obama is a born again Christian, but no one seems quite capable of believing that, so he let's them think what they want. Liberals think he's one of them. Muslims think he's one of them. But in fact he's a natural born son of a Kansas wild child whose father fought with Patton in WWII and whose mother built aircraft like Rosie the Riveter.
Because he's so hard to figure, he's Al Qaida's worst nightmare. However mysterious they are, he's more so. I'm no fan of how he has handled the domestic economy so far, although there is no question that we need to make some radical changes soon. But I give him very high marks in dealing with the menace of global Islamic jihad. Personally, I don't think we could have a better president at this moment in history if we tried to design one in a test tube.
Just hold onto your hats. By the time his second term is over, I predict that N. Korea and Iran will be toothless puppies, sans nukes, and sans outlaw regimes. Will anyone give him credit for that? I don't think he really cares. At this point, I think he's playing for keeps, and there's one thing on his mind: winning.
"The biggest surprise in store for the Muslim world is that Obama is not a Muslim. Never has been, and probably never will be."
According to Islamic law, he is a Muslim. Argue whether or not he's an apostate because it's the only point open for debate that is not definitely settled.
He's not a Muslim, and has never been a Muslim. His grandfather was a Muslim, but his father was an atheist. There is no "generation skipping" in Islamic law. If you're parents are not Muslim, you are not Muslim. Sorry, Charlie.
"He's not a Muslim, and has never been a Muslim. His grandfather was a Muslim, but his father was an atheist."
He was declared a Muslim by his parents when they entered him in school in Indonesia. He's a Muslim or an apostate.
His mother was an atheist, and his stepfather had no right to declare him anything. As stated above, his real father was an atheist.
"His mother was an atheist, and his stepfather had no right to declare him anything. As stated above, his real father was an atheist."
His mother did not prevent him from attending school using the name of his step-father as a Muslim. Even according to common law he was a Muslim. But I was actually referring to sharia. According to sharia, he is either a Muslim or an apostate.
You're arguments only have value rhetorically if you want to defend him "spiritually" to non-Muslims. I'm talking about the Islamic perspective. And under the circumstances, someone who prayed as a Muslim daily who then converts to Christianity doesn't wear rings with the name of a pagan moon god and then allow everyone to wonder why he acts like an atheist-political convert.
Every Muslim that knows the details we've discussed knows that he's a Muslim or an apostate.
"If you're parents are not Muslim, you are not Muslim."
Care to rephrase that?
It's not that hard to understand. If neither one of his parents were Muslim, he did not automatically become a Muslim under Islamic law, and since he has never voluntarily chosen to convert to Islam, he is by definition not a Muslim.
"It's not that hard to understand."
I didn't misunderstand. I asked if you wanted to clarify your position, which you did.
"If neither one of his parents were Muslim, he did not automatically become a Muslim under Islamic law"
That's much better. It's also made of straw.
"and since he has never voluntarily chosen to convert to Islam, he is by definition not a Muslim."
Because there is "no compulsion in Islam," and Islam recognizes the age of majority to be higher than the age required for females to get married off by their families?
Not even 0'Bama knows what he believes from one moment to the next. He believes in himself and his Islamist and leftist allies.
But like I have explained, he was registered as Barry Soetero for school in Indonesia. Here is a scan of a relevant document embedded an article on the topic. http://www.wnd.com/2011/05/295289/
Let's see if you accept that he attended school as a Muslim under the adoptive name; Barry Soetoro.
He may have registered as Barry Soetoro in Malaysia to please his stepfather and to fit in. That doesn't make him a Muslim. I'm convinced that he's a born again Christian, and that he's sincere about it.
"He may have registered as Barry Soetoro in Malaysia to please his stepfather and to fit in."
You don't understand Islam. Motive is not relevant. Parents can deem children to be Muslim. Not just by birth.
"That doesn't make him a Muslim."
Once he went along, he was a Muslim in the eyes of Islam. He acknowledged it with his mouth.
You don't trust what he says huh? I don't either. But in this case, my beliefs don't matter.
"I'm convinced that he's a born again Christian, and that he's sincere about it."
I hear you. You're an eternal optimist who ignores all of the evidence not filtered by the leftist media. I'd love for the evidence to swing your way. Please believe that.
"Obama is a born again Christian, but no one seems quite capable of believing that, so he let's them think what they want."
It's never 0'Bama's fault for picking a church led by a gay ex-Muslim who "converted" to "true Christianity" (Islamic Christianity or Christianity according to Mohammed). And we know that politicians rarely lie about their beliefs. And we know that "born again Christians" always keep their jewelry dedicated to religions that deny the divinity of Christ.
"Liberals think he's one of them."
He can't be a liberal. I love him too much. He's my hero.
"Muslims think he's one of them."
Only according to sharia and his actions.
"But in fact he's a natural born son of a Kansas wild child whose father fought with Patton in WWII and whose mother built aircraft like Rosie the Riveter."
So 0'Bama's grandparents saved him from all of his own life decisions?
Hahaha. It's probably hard for you to imagine, but Obama is more of a real life Audie Murphy than anyone I have seen in a long time, and I make it a point to pay attention to such things.
"Hahaha. It's probably hard for you to imagine, but Obama is more of a real life Audie Murphy than anyone I have seen in a long time, and I make it a point to pay attention to such things."
I'm actually pretty good at understanding the delusions of other people. I have a lot of experience.
It's not a delusion. Obama reminds me of Audie Murphy, because he goes straight to the target without a lot of fanfare, and we haven't had a president like that since Eisenhower.
Huh? Are you off your meds or something? Audie Murphy was a patriot who fought for his country and received the Congressional Medal of Honor for doing so. How has Obama's community organizer past lived up to Audie Murphy's legacy?
You didn't answer my question???…Once more:
"That's hilarious. I guess when Obama blows Iran's nuclear weapons facilities out of the ground, *someone else* will have done it, right?"
Will that blowing up Iran's nuke weapons facilities happen before, or after Obama and the Muslim Brotherhood reestablish the Middle East Caliphate?
How would anybody know what the Muslim Brotherhood will do or when they would do it? There is no question they are now a force to be reckoned with in the middle east, but they have almost nothing to do with taking Iran's nuclear toys ways. As far as Obama being involved in reestablishing the Middle East Caliphate, you can't lay that at his feet. The seeds for the Arab Spring were laid long before he took office.
However odious the various Arab dictators were (Mubarak, Hussein, and Gaddafi were definitely not choir boys), they were a bulwark against Islamic fundamentalism and extremism. Taking out Saddam Hussein, although arguably necessary, was probably like removing the little Dutch Boy's finger from the dyke. Once the dam went, there was really nothing to stop the tsunami of fundamentalist islamist revolution, and that's where we are today.
There are many bad choir boys, in many different countries throughout the world, but it's not the United States business to be the world cop.
Yes, the Middle East Caliphate mess must be dropped at the feet of Obama. Because he stuck his nose under the tents of Egypt, Libya and now is directly in the mix of overthrowing the government of Syria, of which the battling there is almost at a stalemate. Syria has been taking more time than he had planned. Obama's talking about using military force against Iran's nuke weapons plants. Oh yes, Lebanon too, with the end goal to be the new Middle East Caliphate, controlled by the Muslim Brotherhood. The Muslim Brotherhood are Sunni Salafis Muslims.
But don't you find it strange, that a Pakistani Cleric would be nominating Barack H. Obama (a Christian) to head the ME Caliphate?…Which is supposed to be headquartered in Medina, Saudi Arabia?
"But don't you find it strange, that a Pakistani Cleric would be nominating Barack H. Obama (a Christian) to head the ME Caliphate?"
I find it laughable, and I'm sure Obama does too. But nothing coming out of the middle east really surprises me very much at this point. Perhaps I'm suffering from middle east fatigue, but I really don't think things will improve in that part of the world anytime soon. My general feeling is that, other than responding immediately and decisively with overwhelming force to direct security threats to the United States and our allies, we need to close the door on that chapter in our history, and start taking care of our business here at home. We have enough problems of our own, without worrying about theirs.
You can laugh all you want, but it's not a joking matter, because those are hard core facts.
Oh yes, the white house and most of our upper government have been infiltrating by the Muslim Brotherhood too!!!
No thanks to Barry Soetoro, your business at home is already here:
http://muslimbrotherhoodinamerica.com/the-course/
"I find it laughable, and I'm sure Obama does too. But nothing coming out of the middle east really surprises me very much at this point. Perhaps I'm suffering from middle east fatigue, but I really don't think things will improve in that part of the world anytime soon."
Now take what you've said and allow that to evolve in to a confession that you don't understand the coherent (yet largely false) narratives in their worldview. They're not insane. They're just deluded to the point of behaving like insane people from the perspectives of those who don't know the cultures driven by their beliefs.
"My general feeling is that, other than responding immediately and decisively with overwhelming force to direct security threats to the United States and our allies, we need to close the door on that chapter in our history, and start taking care of our business here at home. We have enough problems of our own, without worrying about theirs."
We're their problem and that makes them our problem, given their ideology and the cultural implications.
We've been their problem since the days of Thomas Jefferson. Islamic clerics have always understood that America is inconsistent with Islam. They didn't become our problem until we became dependent on their oil. Fortunately, that's a problem we can solve.
"Fortunately, that's a problem we can solve."
Today's weapons have more reach. Today's solutions must adapt to today's circumstances. There is no such thing as isolationism except as a philosophy for a class of the delusional.
I think you agree about that. Where we don't agree is the level of leftist and Islamic ideological penetration among Western leaders and how that impacts their decisions. That's our problem. It comes from within, because they prevent or interfere with our otherwise straightforward ability to solve external problems.
"The seeds for the Arab Spring were laid long before he took office."
That's the leftist narrative.
"However odious the various Arab dictators were (Mubarak, Hussein, and Gaddafi were definitely not choir boys), they were a bulwark against Islamic fundamentalism and extremism. Taking out Saddam Hussein, although arguably necessary, was probably like removing the little Dutch Boy's finger from the dyke. Once the dam went, there was really nothing to stop the tsunami of fundamentalist islamist revolution, and that's where we are today."
And we also have history in Iran to learn from, which therefore makes me very disgusted to see how 0'Bama gave in to Islamic interests the moment he had the chance. I don't suppose you've read the text for his speech in Cairo in 2009, have you? What do you call that if not an open invitation?
As the Arab Spring or rather Islamist Spring continues to evolve, we'll see how Obama's views of the global jihadist threat continue to evolve. My view is that we didn't send in sufficient reinforcements at Benghazi, because it didn't fit the narrative that the Arab Spring was positive for democracy. If the "liberated" Libyans were friends of democracy, we could count on them to protect our embassy, right? That view of the meaning of the Arab Spring was resoundingly dispelled on 09/11/13, when the chant "Obama, Obama, We're All Osama" rang out in Arab capitals from Tripoli to Tunis to Cairo and beyond. Was Obama shocked by that? He probably was. So were many in the conservative corner who actually viewed the Arab Spring as a vindication of their policies (and the trillions we spent) in Iraq and Afghanistan. There is no basis for anyone to be under any illusions about the Arab Spring at this point, and the challenge we all face today is to adjust to reality and act accordingly. And that is what I expect Obama to do.
Edit: 09/11/12 instead of 09/11/13
"As the Arab Spring or rather Islamist Spring continues to evolve, we'll see how Obama's views of the global jihadist threat continue to evolve."
Who said; "The future must not belong to those that slander the prophet of Islam?"
Did you read his Cairo speech yet? That's not the evolution we like till September of 2012. Since then, what?
"My view is that we didn't send in sufficient reinforcements at Benghazi, because it didn't fit the narrative that the Arab Spring was positive for democracy. "
The narrative that serves only our enemies.
"If the "liberated" Libyans were friends of democracy, we could count on them to protect our embassy, right?"
We could count on them not blatantly collaborating with our enemies.
"If the "liberated" Libyans were friends of democracy, we could count on them to protect our embassy, right? That view of the meaning of the Arab Spring was resoundingly dispelled on 09/11/13, when the chant "Obama, Obama, We're All Osama" rang out in Arab capitals from Tripoli to Tunis to Cairo and beyond. Was Obama shocked by that? He probably was. So were many in the conservative corner who actually viewed the Arab Spring as a vindication of their policies (and the trillions we spent) in Iraq and Afghanistan. "
Do you have any idea how many Western politicians have campaigns funded largely by Saudi funding?
"There is no basis for anyone to be under any illusions about the Arab Spring at this point, and the challenge we all face today is to adjust to reality and act accordingly. And that is what I expect Obama to do."
No more excuses then for future delusions about it? Great. I'll take it. We'll just see then what unfolds.
As I've stated on many occasions, we're only beginning to understand the nature and extent of the global jihadist threat. But I agree with you. After 09/11/12, no more excuses.
"Because he's so hard to figure, he's Al Qaida's worst nightmare."
So you think. They're nightmare is to miss out on the virgins. I'd say they've got some deceptive theater going on.
"However mysterious they are, he's more so."
Our president is supposed to do his job as defined by the constitution. Being more mysterious than our foreign enemies is failing to meet the requirements.
"I'm no fan of how he has handled the domestic economy so far, although there is no question that we need to make some radical changes soon."
Basically you're love of 0'Bama comes down to things you can't verify, and a conviction that his grandparents make up for any apparent problems with who influenced him and what he actually believes.
"But I give him very high marks in dealing with the menace of global Islamic jihad."
Based on results you think we are better off than we were 4 years ago?
"Personally, I don't think we could have a better president at this moment in history if we tried to design one in a test tube."
That is an extremely delusional statement. You know we've never actually made a "test tube president" I assume.
"Just hold onto your hats. By the time his second term is over, I predict that N. Korea and Iran will be toothless puppies, sans nukes, and sans outlaw regimes. Will anyone give him credit for that? I don't think he really cares. At this point, I think he's playing for keeps, and there's one thing on his mind: winning."
You're almost as delusional as radical leftists, but at least you have patriotic dreams. I'd love to be wrong about 0'Bama but all the evidence that I've seen leads me to conclude that you are.
You're really a riot. You should change your name to objectivejokesmatter.
Thank you. Jokes don't negate the facts though.
One of us is wrong about Obama. It could be me, but I don't think so. We shall see.
Holy dog sh*t ! I'll bet if Comrade Obummer was in front of you, you would blow him. If you think your messiah is going to move on Iran or N Korea you clearly are the dumbest libtard I have seen here yet.
Hahaha. I'm a lifelong conservative. I was campaigning for Eisenhower when I was 3 years old (I may not have known a lot, but I knew how to say "I Like Ike", and everyone in my neighborhood knew how I felt about it), and also for Barry Goldwater when I was 15. Unfortunately, Goldwater was the last true conservative to run for President under the banner of the Republican Party. Unlike the "borrow and spend" conservatives of today, Goldwater believed in a balanced budget and eliminating our enemies as quickly and inexpensively as possible. If he were here today, he would be laughing at the absurd waste of money and time we have spent fighting Al Qaida. There is a better way of winning wars, and Barry Goldwater knew what it was. Hopefully we'll see the same kind of conservative approach from Obama. Personally, I think we will.
If you think that Comrade Obummer is going to give the muslims a conservative approach your effing nuts.
"I was campaigning for Eisenhower when I was 3 years old (I may not have known a lot, but I knew how to say "I Like Ike", and everyone in my neighborhood knew how I felt about it), and also for Barry Goldwater when I was 15."
0'Bama is like Ike, but taller, and he has a name in common with Barry Goldwater, at least while he attended school as a Muslim.
I think you have the right ideas fundamentally, but you've been deceived since the golden years.
What's your excuse for Benghazi? I missed that one. He's still in stealth mode?
"What's your excuse for Benghazi?"
See discussion of Arab Spring above. Basically, I think Obama was just as surprised by the true nature of the Arab Spring as many conservatives were. If you weren't surprised, then you were probably ahead of the game.
Care to put your money where your mouth is? $100 says the Communist and Islamist regimes will remain 2016. The only regime Obama will help topple is Syria's in order to install the Muslim Brotherhood, again. Oil prices will (as Obama promised) continue to rise and that Keystone pipeline won't get built.
Hahaha. No thanks. The stakes are already high enough as it is. If I'm wrong and Obama allows N. Korea and Iran to develop nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them [I]on his watch[/I], he will be regarded as the worst Commander-in-Chief in the history of America. But if I'm right, he will be regarded as the greatest CIC since Eisenhower. Not to mention the effect those two drastically different scenarios would have on us and the rest of the world. The wisdom of the entire foreign policy of the United States since the truce with N. Korea and the takeover of the American embassy in 1979 is riding on this outcome. We'll both lose a lot more than $100 if either of those two rogue states becomes a member of the "Nuclear Club".
"That's hilarious. I guess when Obama blows Iran's nuclear weapons facilities out of the ground, *someone else* will have done it, right?"
Iran is Shia. But he won't even do that.
0'Bama is a Sunni servant of allah. Whether he does this consciously can be debated. The effects though are undeniable. He's also a radical socialist who interferes with the economic policies in the same way anyone would who wants to either destroy capitalism or run "social justice" programs that also happen to destroy capitalism.
No problems huh? What a hero.
"0'Bama is a Sunni servant of allah."
Wow, have you ever heard of the concept of psychological projection? When you start calling other people delusional, you should really look in the mirror. Either than or take a really long steam bath.
Indonesians are Sunni Muslim, and that's exactly where Barry Soetoro, aka Barry Dunham, aka Barack Obama II was enrolled in a Madrassa school.
Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. Obama described the call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.” Yet never attends Christian churches while in Washington. Michelle Obama never travels on overseas trips with him to foreign Countries?
And his speech to the UN as pertains to "The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam" didn't help him either?
"F" the "prophet" mohammed.
MO never prophesied anything, even once. He was camel dung then, and is still camel dung today!
"When you start calling other people delusional, you should really look in the mirror. Either than or take a really long steam bath."
We should ignore delusional people? Why not help create a discussion to bring out facts and build consensus? If someone claims that I'm delusional the first thing I do is reexamine the facts. I don't hear that accusation much at all, to be perfectly honest with you.
Delusion is very common today. Westerners love to immerse themselves in delusion. It's a dominant feature of modern Western culture. It can happen to anyone. Ever watch a movie made in Hollywood? Most of the time when people quote false history to me, they got it from mass media, films, television and now historical revisionists who "don't bother" (refuse) to include footnoted references. Do people challenge these views, or simply decide which they "believe in the heart?"
There is massive delusion everywhere. I'm simply trying to help.
"There is massive delusion everywhere. I'm simply trying to help."
Unfortunately, delusion (or thinking we know something when we don't) is perhaps the singular characteristic of the human condition, and it has never been worse than in this the so-called Information Age. As Thomas Edison said, "We don't know one millionth of one percent about anything." As John Kennedy said, "The more our knowledge increases, the more our ignorance is revealed." And finally Socrates, widely reputed to be the wisest man in the ancient world, said, "The only thing I know with any certainty is the fact of my own ignorance."
So if you want to help others get over their delusion, first take a look in the mirror and try to get over your own delusions. As Jesus said, if we first find a way to take the plank out of our own eye, then perhaps we can see clearly enough to take the splinter out of our brother's eye."
Our entire conversation comes down to this: I think Obama is America's best friend and best weapon in the war against global Islamic jihad, and you think he is our worst enemy and worst liability.
One of us is clearly mistaken.
Adam Smith style capitalism in America has been betrayed by international businesses that have moved entire industries offshore and put millions of Americans out of work, and that's a process that's been underway for at least the last forty years.
For a good discussion of the effects of de-industrialization on the American economy, see "Innovation Economics" by Dr. Robert Atkinson and Stephen Ezelle. Here's a video introducing the book last October:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWM08DzTuhY
Bringing manufacturing jobs and industries back to America is the only chance we have to avoid a complete economic disaster, and on that front too, I expect Obama to show his true colors and lead our economic recovery as an American patriot.
"Adam Smith style capitalism in America has been betrayed by international businesses that have moved entire industries offshore and put millions of Americans out of work, and that's a process that's been underway for at least the last forty years. "
In theory there is nothing wrong with that. The problem comes again fro the left when they insist we don't create level playing fields. They characterize that as "neo-colonialism" because we're richer. It would be "exploitation." They want to allow former "victims" of "colonialism" to "catch up" when all it does is help strengthen various oligarchies like the current Chinese regime.
"Bringing manufacturing jobs and industries back to America is the only chance we have to avoid a complete economic disaster"
It's the best chance but it won't happen. The reason? Few understand economics and analysis of root causes.
" and on that front too, I expect Obama to show his true colors and lead our economic recovery as an American patriot."
Solyndra and GM say that he'll fail anything he tries to do there. 0'Bama would have to be reborn as an entirely new person in order to change enough to do anything productive in relation to the economy. Our best chance is to contain him.
0'Bama is a Red Green "American" patriot alright. He's just as patriotic as Frank Marshall Davis, with a much smoother rap.
Isn't Al Qaida currently trying to take over Yemen (or maybe Mali)?
Actually, they're trying to take over both.They're also active under various names in Algeria, Libya, Nigeria, and growing in strength in the lawless Sinai.
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The key to understanding Al Qaida is that any Muslim, anywhere, can decide that his religious duty requires him to undertake a jihad against Americans or anyone else, and at that moment, he can secretly decide on his own to become a member of Al Qaida and to wait, as long as necessary, for an opportune moment to act. He doesn't have to declare his decision to anyone else, and he doesn't need permission from anyone else. He just has to believe that his religious duty requires him to act, and that therefore he will act. At the precise moment the decision is made, he is effectively a member of Al Qaida, even if no one else on earth knows it but him. And in case the West hadn't figured all that out, rioters in Cario, Tunis, Libya and other Muslim countries took up the chant, "Obama, Obama, We're All Osama." No one can accuse the West of being "quick" to figure all this out, but now that it's been more than 40 years since the Munich Olympics and more than 10 years since 9/11, I think the light is beginning to dawn.
The chant "Obama, Obama, We're All Osama" occurred spontaneously throughout the Muslim world on 09/11/12, the precise day of the Benghazi attack. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/19/opinion/the-ame… No, Al Qaida is by no means dead. But rather it is alive and well and probably growing all the time. Does Obama understand this? If he didn't before Benghazi, he does now.
It's a good thing Obama is flooding the US with Muslim immigrants. More Osama Bin Ladens with citizenship will surely make the US much safer. It's a good thing Dems want to ban guns. The last thing they'd want is some "bitter clinger" to shoot someone with a suicide bomb and deny a Muslim their freedom to practice jihad, right?
I guess that silver bullet you were talking about was made by Coors right?
"The thing to focus on is how afraid Bush, McCain, and virtually everyone else in the pre-Obama leadership structure was of offending Pakistan."
0'Bama is not afraid of them because Pakistan and 0'Bama are each Sunni. They coordinate the puppet show together, probably through the Saudis.
Before 0'Bama Pakistan was known as a fr-enemy. 0'Bama has closer relationships with the enemy side. That's why he wasn't worried about that trivial detail.
"Obama ignored all that and went forward anyway with massive drone strikes against Al Qaida in remote areas of Pakistan where invasion would be difficult or impossible."
Which chopper did he pilot? I forgot. The risks to 0'Bama? Just about zero.
"Like him or not, Obama is the best best we have for putting a silver bullet in Al Qaida's heart."
We see how frightened they are too. I think we need another UN speech from the 0 and they'll probably just give up hope and turn towards "peaceful Islam."
Do you remember the speech where he said, "The future must not belong to those who terrorize non-Muslims in the name of Islam."
I don't either.
There is no question that Obama's policies of direct drone strikes against terrorists absolutely infuriates Pakistan, which pretty much negates the idea of your fantasy that Obama is secretly conspiring with Sunnis to destroy the Shia. But everyone is entitled to speculate, and that includes you.
http://www.muslimfact.com/bm/terror-in-the-name-o…
There are factions in Pakistan who may be truly infuriated. There are also factions in Pakistan who understand the long game for the global caliphate. Which control the military? The latter. It takes no courage for 0'Bama to order drone strikes there.
"There is no question that Obama's policies of direct drone strikes against terrorists absolutely infuriates Pakistan, which pretty much negates the idea of your fantasy that Obama is secretly conspiring with Sunnis to destroy the Shia."
I didn't say they want to destroy the Shia yet. Some times they do though. But 0'Bama is more concerned with diminishing or destroying the West first, mostly the USA. Nobody can deny that he does not want the USA to be a superpower. He considers the USA to be a "colonial" tyrant. When he talks about the USA being great, he's talking about the "great victories" of the left that he expects to expand on.
"But 0'Bama is more concerned with diminishing or destroying the West first, mostly the USA."
No he's not. The West has been destroyed or at least severely weakened by forty years of misguided economic and social policy which consisted of (1) hopeless and hugely expensive foreign wars, (2) dismantling our domestic manufacturing economy and shipping it overseas, and (3) a steady erosion of our education and health systems such that although we pay more per capita for education and health care than any nation in the world, we are the least physically fit society on earth and the performance of our high school graduates ranks 21st and 24th in the world in critical categories of science and math. None of these things can be blamed on Obama. I voted for Romney in the last election because I thought he had a better chance of addressing these problems, but the problems themselves have been created over multiple decades and multiple presidents of both parties. And at this point they are probably greater than any one man or woman has the capacity to change. If we want to turn the ship of state around, we the American people must take responsibility for the future and make the necessary changes ourselves.
"None of these things can be blamed on Obama."
I'm not using that as evidence. I'm using 0'Bama's words and actions as evidence.
"And at this point they are probably greater than any one man or woman has the capacity to change."
That doesn't excuse traitors.
"If we want to turn the ship of state around, we the American people must take responsibility for the future and make the necessary changes ourselves."
Yet right now you spend a lot of time defending a radical leftist who is aligned with the very heart of the forces responsible for all of this.
Bill Ayers hates 0'Bama. 0'Bama always talks about the American entrepreneurial spirit and transcends racism and other petty tools of division. He's a true American hero. He's the Democrat's Ronald Reagan. Just ask 0'Bama. He'll swear it's all true.
"If you look back over the long history of war between the East and West all the way back to the days of Alexander the Great, you will see that the oldest trick in the Eastern playbook is to lure Western armies into the desert where they can be stripped of blood and treasure."
That's how Alexander "lost," or he's "Eastern" while his foes represent "the West?" Ever since WWI, we've pitied these people. We don't get outmaneuvered by the enemy. We get outmaneuvered by the liars in the West. Therefore any time…ANY TIME 0'Bama or anyone else perpetuates the lies, they aid the enemy.
Here's a hint. $4 trillion poured into the bottomless of the middle east without anything to show for it is "losing" in anybody's book, and it played precisely into the hands of Al Qaida in accordance with the ancient strategy of luring their enemies into the deserts to die. We took out Saddam Hussein's army in two weeks. At that point it was time to leave. What we should have done is turned over the peace-keeping to the French, and let our armies finish the job on Iran while we were still there. Two more weeks and that job would have been finished as well, at a cost of a LOT less than $4 trillion. No, as sure as we're sitting here, we played precisely into the ancient trap set for Western Armies. Alexander was an exception to the rule. Almost every other Western army that ventured into the deserts of the middle east never came out again. We are lucky to get our guys out alive without loosing a lot more "blood and treasure" than we did.
"Here's a hint. $4 trillion poured into the bottomless of the middle east without anything to show for it is "losing" in anybody's book"
That would be 2001. I thought you were talking about Alexander the Great of Macedon.
"…and it played precisely into the hands of Al Qaida in accordance with the ancient strategy of luring their enemies into the deserts to die."
That's true. I blame leftists for that. I don't know how "ancient" that is unless you want to talk about Saladin or someone like that. But my point is that we didn't run out of resources because we're poor or stupid. We run ourselves in circles trying to appease leftists and dupes.
"Alexander was an exception to the rule."
You cited him, not me.
"Almost every other Western army that ventured into the deserts of the middle east never came out again."
No, the crusaders lost because they were some times too anxious over unfamiliar terrain. Modern Western military defeats in the desert don't actually happen. The defeats happen in the streets of Washington DC, Berkeley, New York, Chicago etc.
Bush lost politically at home because he believed that all of the leftist liars were behind him when they pledged solidarity, but they were still seething over the supposed stolen election. But really that wasn't even critical as a reason. They would have done the same thing but used some other rallying cry.
The most dangerous enemy of the West is on the left, who empower those who would rule over us under Islamic law. So those two problems go together.
"We are lucky to get our guys out alive without loosing a lot more "blood and treasure" than we did."
You completely underestimate how much stronger we are militarily. Our "defeats" are delivered via the left. We weren't lucky or unlucky. We are betrayed daily.
The $4 trillion we spent on Iraq and Afghanistan was borrowed money, and money we could have used to rebuild our manufacturing infrastructure and our economy. The fact that it was meaninglessly poured into the deserts of the middle east is a major victory for Islamists. The only thing to do now is learn from our mistakes and find a quicker, more expedient, and less expensive way of defanging and neutralizing existential threats to America and our allies. Sending highly expensive and highly vulnerable land armies into the deserts of the middle east is a formula for disaster.
"The $4 trillion we spent on Iraq and Afghanistan was borrowed money, and money we could have used to rebuild our manufacturing infrastructure and our economy. The fact that it was meaninglessly poured into the deserts of the middle east is a major victory for Islamists. The only thing to do now is learn from our mistakes and find a quicker, more expedient, and less expensive way of defanging and neutralizing existential threats to America and our allies. Sending highly expensive and highly vulnerable land armies into the deserts of the middle east is a formula for disaster."
The lesson is that the left is trying to destroy the global cultural and military hegemony of the USA. That's not being patriotic to the USA. Not enough people have learned this lesson yet.
I agree that the conservatives who were largely responsible for the disastrous wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are really conservative in name only, but I wouldn't go so far as to call them "the left". I prefer to think of them as the hopelessly deceived and self-deluded.
"I agree that the conservatives who were largely responsible for the disastrous wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are really conservative in name only, but I wouldn't go so far as to call them "the left". I prefer to think of them as the hopelessly deceived and self-deluded."
Deceived in to compromising with leftists.
Hey Einstein:
During the development of the United States, our colonists learned the art of guerilla warfare,
but today, because of this Moron's association with the radical Muslims, he forbids our
military to use the concept of Total War against our enemies. You will notice that the concept
of Total War was used against the Japanese in the Pacific during World War Two in which
it brought the end of the war to a screeching halt, and now you know the rest of the story.
A good source: http://muslimbrotherhoodinamerica.com/the-course/
Actually W had a Fatwa on him issued by bin Laden, and most of W's cabinet was involved too. Plus W drew fatwa’s from several other radical clerics. But I digress. And one could argue that initiating the war in Afghanistan and Iraq was far more aggressive than Obama's occasional drone strikes and constant calls for withdrawal and appeasement. I believe it was Obama who wanted to try terrorists in Civilian courts as mere law breakers and not in tribunals as enemies of the state. I believe it was Obama who failed to negotiate a status of forces agreement causing us to prematurely withdraw from Iraq. I believe it was Obama who supported al Qaeda in Libya and the Ikwain in Egypt.
So unless your imagined future excludes facts, it will actually look worse for him in the future.
Your CIA handlers should school you on how to make your rhetoric less transparent. If you truly think that there is a hairs breadth of difference, materially between Obama and Bush, you have my deepest sympathies.
Any person, Muslim or otherwise, who proclaims him- or herself above American law should be permanently deported and be stripped of U.S. citizenship (assuming they are citizens).
Why deport them when they are going to continue to be a problem to us? The only good islamist is a dead islamist.
In our system, we generally don't prescribe the death penalty for people who merely say that they're above the law. Muslims do that, not us.
As much as I agree with you most of the time but, Our Constitution is not a suicide pact with our enemies. Islam in whatever flavor is our enemy and it must be destroyed to the last imam. To fight evil monsters, one must become downright medival.
We'd have to work out the details and offer trials to citizens. There is nothing wrong with laws punishing treason after due process.
Take your terrorist ass back where you came from. If you want to stay here, obey the laws of this land.
Islam is bad. Obama is a muslim (as well as a Marxist loving statist). They can both shove it.
I wonder if Muslims believe that Jewish terrorism in the Holy Land during the decade or so before Israel became a state was the result of oppression.
"I wonder if Muslims believe that Jewish terrorism in the Holy Land during the decade or so before Israel became a state was the result of oppression."
You mean when the British and the Muslims conspired against the Jews based on religious and political preferences for sharia in the region? Of course they don't believe that.
You mean the Jews that fought against the British military that was openly siding with the arabs! Allowing total uncontrolled immigration of arabs (who now claim to be the Palestinian people into Palestine while trying to stop Jewish immigration to Palestine?
In a sense they are above the law of the land…when they hijack a plane.
"In a sense they are above the law of the land…when they hijack a plane."
They are above the law when they are exposed but still allowed to break it in the name of "tolerance."
Great job CAIR, I applaud your honesty for once. Keep up the good work, those Texans do have a nice way of dealing with traitors like you in their midst, get a rope!
I'm in Texas … ever vigilant & powder dry!
Who do these people think they are…if they don't want to live by the law of the land,then go away and live in a sharia country your not really welcome here anyway..the muslim is above no-one and no better..bring the GOD back into GOD BLESS AMERICA….
The ulterior motive of Muslims who migrate to America ought to be obvious from this article alone. They mean not simply to live under Islam, but to force others to live under it. I see no sane reason why these people ought to be allowed entry into the U.S. for any reason, whether economic, political or "family reunification." If these clowns value family togetherness, let them stay back home in their respective countries of origin.
Similar to Mexico, Iran, Russia, China and North Korea, if Muslims or other citizens are unsatisfied with their own country, then they should rise-up and create their own revolution in their own country
instead of invading other countries and attempting to force those countries to adhere to their dated
traditions. The U.S. is not the global police force, nor the global Welfare State, if you follow.
Dallas CAIR Director: “Muslims Are Above the Law of the Land.”
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I for one welcome this new CAIR policy of honesty and openness. Any day now, maybe one of their directors will admit what they truly stand for.
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Daniel Metz and we preach for every one to be tolerant toward each other and this is what we get, Muslims that want to rule the earth and clean up the United States of Jews so when the blacks convert to Muslims then the real blood bath will start for the killing off of the devil whites and Jews the blacks aint feared to off some crackers.
Hey Einstein:
What is your level of education?
Islam might be the law of their land but the USA is not muslim land. if they want to practice their law let them live in their land. No one is above the law. Why do they think they are entitled? The Muslims came to the USA to live under our constitution. Otherwise GO HOME!
If they are above the 'law of the land'; then all of them; visa-holders; citizen-in-waiting; and certainly, including those who now claim citizenship; are guilty of fraud; with lies and intent to deceive and those who so hold to this dictum; should have their citizenship revoked; and all 'who believe'; should be returned to the homeland; that honors such. This is not; of course; the first time we have heard this MO; and what is only more outrageous; is that it generates not so much as a 'yawn'; from our Congress Critters. That and the fact that the 'Islamic goals for world domination; make this more a 'political system' than a religion. Or; if that cannot 'cut it'; then it is both; but it does not qualify for the 'dispensations' that organized religion; here in our Country are afforded. We have our Constitution; they have 'shariah'. Sorry; nothing warrants these believers; living here.
Islam is not a religion, but rather, a vicious Cult that maintains subjugation, especially for women.
Islam is a haven for men, in that for over approximately 1990 years, according to their Koran,
males have been the dominant factor is Muslim life, not women. When Democracy becomes a
household name, men will lose their positions of dominance and will have to be shared with women,
therefore, remains the unrest in the Middle East and their radical quest to seek a global Caliphate.
Throughout history, cults have not readily endured and continue to be replaced by forms of democracy.
So let it be said, so let it be written.
If they want to play the "Sovereign Citizen" game with us, we should let them have it with both barrels.
In Australia we receive thousands of them arriving in rickety boats day in day out. Our boys & girls are over there fighting to contain the hornets' nest that GWB only poked at, thereby causing them to get angry & fly all over the darn world. This war should've been over & done with a decade ago, but the failure to nip things in the bud has now ensured that the entire world has enough 'refugees' to secure world domination in a very short space of time, in some cases, a couple of generations. The world will never be the same.
And thanks to PM John Howard, you have no means to defend yourselves there Down Under. No guns …
The world will be returned to its natural state, once the Muslims have gotten their asses
kicked and put in their place. Muslims, regardless whether they are classified as Moderates
or Radicals, are both connected to a code that states that when the whistle is blown, both will turn on
non-Muslims in a vision of blood and destruction. It is a pity that most Westerners do not understand
this.
Common sense tells you that an administration and a President who gives our sworn enemies (the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt) $250 million in aid the day after the sequester became effective, is not normal. And, I don't want to hear the "broken record" excuse that we have to support their military…….. as if the military is NOT being run by the Muslim Brotherhood! They have already removed the top brass that were USA sympathetic. This guy in Dallas needs to be shunned, alienated, and clearly labeled as the America hater he is.
“If we are practicing Muslims, we are above the law of the land,” said Mustafa Carroll, executive director of the Dallas-Fort Worth CAIR branch."
Hilarious – Tell that to Randall Royer and all the other CAIR officials who are currently rotting in federal prison.
As my Bible clearly states, when a person is born again into God's Kingdom, he/she "is not under the Law"as we henseforth operate through LOVE. LOVE is above the Law! Once again we see muslims hyjacking THE HOLY BIBLE, trying to bolster their position and doing a poor job as usual. Muslims routinely steal from Jews and Christians then call it their own- Islam is a cult designed to stop God's plans on earth, and, Islam will fail.
"As my Bible clearly states, when a person is born again into God's Kingdom, he/she "is not under the Law"as we henseforth operate through LOVE. "
The law it refers to is Mosaic law. Render unto Caesar. You need to read the whole thing before you pretend to teach it.
So Muslims from CAIR CAN engage in hate speech and incitement without any repercussions. Maybe he's right. Muslims are above the law in the West. Who's to say that they aren't?
With the Muslim Brotherhood a frequent visitor to the White House, muslims in Congress, and Gov. Christe appointing a muslim judge, it won't be long before speaking out against Islam is a crime.
I agree, it's a matter of demographics. The wrong muslime, in the wrong place at the wrong time can make all the difference in removing our civil liberties.
The CRAP this CAIR punk is pushing is going to blow up in his face.
NOT.. !!!!!!!!!!! we the American people do not want you in our country.. get out of our country.. if you don't live by the law of the land then you should be DEPORTED.. you are not American.. you are not part of the land of the free and of the brave..
USA Must outlaw all Islamic organizations as they are wolves in sheeps skin. One day you will lament as these people go in slow steps and their macro plan is to subdue, control the entire country by hook or crook. Just wait how the entire USA will be controlled. They did exactly the same Sept 11 in India in year 975 and built a landmark near Delhi, a minaret from the broken twin tower temple and you can see how India fared, by being a slave of Islamic crooks for 900 years. USA BE READY TO embrace this satanic evil dark force or ban these bastards NOW.
No all Muslims are like that!
http://www.thestandupcenter.com/2013/01/an-interv…
He is an interloper trying to get back at the white man. Not a true muslim, but a typical afroamerican with a minimum of good will toward men. Sup dog.
The state of Hawaii released Obama's long form birth certificate for the whole world to see, and still the ignorant masses claim he wasn't born in the US. Obama was raised primarily by his white grandparents (originally from Kansas), in Hawaii. Obama has been seen not only eating pork, but also drinking beer (both a sin in islam). If you want to slam Obama for his policies, go right ahead, if you want to bash Obama for being an ineffective president , feel free. BUT… please stop these ridiculous claims that he wasn't born in the US or that he's a muslim. I don't know who's more stupid, the "birthers" or the "truthers".
It's not a matter of being stupid. It's more a case of extreme denial and self-deception. Obama makes some men (particularly the phony conservative, neocon, etc. etc. variety) feel like the weak little cowards that they really are. So they make up lies about him. It soothes their conscience and keeps them from having to look in the mirror and see themselves as they really are. It's their last desperate attempt to avoid admitting how disastrous their defense and economic policies have been for America over the last forty years. Lying to yourself (and everyone else) is always much easier than facing the truth, so that's what they do.
I think you are projecting your delusions onto others.
The State of Hawaii cannot release one's birth certificate. The most recent version (remember – there was one released during the 2008 campaign that obama's campaign withdrew) of obama's birth certificate was released by the White House, seemingly at the urging of Donald Trump. That birth certificate – along with obama's Selective Service registration – were proven to be false through forensic analysis. That does not mean obama was not born in Hawaii – only that he has not proven that he was.
Hahaha. Let me ask you this. If Obama defangs N. Korea AND Iran without the loss of a single American life, are you still going to be worrying about his birth certificate?
There are excellent reasons why non-Muslims in Western countries are against Muslim immigration and vehemently against the shocking cruelty and enslavement under sharia. It’s called SURVIVAL! It’s called wanting to live in SAFETY.
Under Islam, Egypt’s Christians have lived in hell for centuries. The kidnappings, rapes and violent conversion to Islam of Christian children and other horrors has worsened under the Muslim Brotherhood. What happened to Christian Egypt is a WARNING to the world.
The next stage of a nation conquered by Muslims is the MASSIVE kidnapping of non-Muslim female CHRISTIAN children by male Muslims. The kidnappings are perpetrated with the full cooperation of ruling elites, courts and the police. The agonized parents NEVER get their beloved children back. The severely abused, terrorized girls are FOREVER separated from their loving parents and family. These terrible crimes against God and humanity must NOT be allowed to happen in America, Europe and Britain!
Egyptian Christian Copts cry out in agony:
SAVE US O LORD! WE HAVE NONE BUT YOU!
Comment by Egyptian Christian Copt underneath video:
“OUR WOMEN ARE TO BE ENSLAVED IN ISLAM OUR MEN ARE TO BE KILLED AND AMERICA RECEIVES MILLIONS OF ISLAMISTS WITH OPEN ARM AND REFUSE TO GIVE US ASYLUM.”
The Passion of the Copts http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embed…
These crimes against non-Muslim innocents must not be allowed to happen in ANY Western nation! In Britain and Europe, UK and European ruling elites have colonized their countries with many millions of Muslims: CONQUEST by DEMOGRAPHICS!
This dreadful crime against innocent non-Muslim humanity must be stopped now!
THIS is what MASSIVE MUSLIM IMMIGRATION has CREATED:
South Yorkshire Police and Rotherham Council Are Complicit in Child-Rape
…thousands of predominately Pakistani Muslim gang rapes of white English girls in the Rotherham area… http://britishfreedom.org/south-yorkshire-police-…
THERE IS NO ONE TO HELP THE CHILDREN!
British Schoolgirl’s Testimony – Muslims Threaten Children With Violence & Rape Outside School Daily http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embed…
DEATH SENTENCE FOR ALL RAPISTS IN ALL COUNTRIES!
Noyt all Muslims are like that!
Every Muslim desire, wherever they are, to live under Shariah Law.
If they think they are above the law, DEPORT THEM, their wives, children, grandfathers, gransdmothers, uncles, aunts, neices and their PETS. I have been extremely respectful of EVERY MUSLIM I HAVE MET, yet TWO of them sought to have me fired on a flat out LIE last week. The Islamic people they have NO RIGHT, to apply THEIR LAW in this or any other non Muslim land. They are pushing for DEMOCRATIC MAJORITIES in may nations, because CHRISTIAN REFUSE TO HAVE CHILDREN and ABORT BILLIONS across the world. Muslims HATE ABORTION, they just slaughter the opposition and seek to win the election.
THINKING CAPS GUYS: Get them on.
The attrocities of Muslim are usually measured against what goes on in ISRAEL. How about the 100 MILLION INDIANS who were SLAUGHTERED by the MUSLIM in that region? Did they go to court? NO they marched on and created their own couintries, which could not live with one another.