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The same day Daniel Penny, the retired Marine and architecture student, pleaded not guilty to manslaughter and negligent homicide, a New York grand jury declined to recommend charges against Jordan Williams.
Williams and his girlfriend, who are both black, were on a Brooklyn subway train when Williams, 20 years old, was approached by an aggressive 36-year-old ex-con homeless black man, Devictor Ouedraogo. In a confrontation captured on video, Ouedraogo punched Williams’ girlfriend in the face, and Williams then pulled a knife and fatality stabbed Ouedraogo in the chest.
Williams was later arrested and charged with manslaughter and criminal possession of a weapon. Williams’ lawyer said, “The victim was menacing people, as all of us have probably seen on the subway, erratic, deranged, crazy and in many people’s faces before he even encounters my client.” New York Mayor Eric Adams said: “A person with severe mental health illness, what appears to be severe mental health illness, got engaged in a very violent way. The investigation is going to take its course.”
A grand jury, citing self-defense, declined to indict Williams, who worked at FedEx and had no criminal record. The Brooklyn district attorney dropped the charges. Unlike in the case of Penny, no “activists” publicly accused Williams of engaging in “racially motivated vigilantism.”
As to the case of Penny, who is white, Jordan Neely, a black schizophrenic on drugs and a career violent criminal with over 40 arrests, boarded a New York subway train and threatened passengers. Penny took Neely to the floor with the assistance of two other passengers, one named Eric Gonzalez, and applied a chokehold for several minutes until the police arrived. Penny, unaware that Neely had died, spoke to detectives without requesting a lawyer, and was released without charges.
In come the “activists.” CBS News wrote: “Protesters have said they will continue to demonstrate until Penny is arrested. … Authorities say a crowd of about 100 people stormed the (subway) station, with some jumping onto the subway tracks in protest. At least 12 people were arrested during the demonstration, where multiple officers were injured …”
The New York public advocate, an elected position, demanded charges against Penny: “To say anything else is an equivocation that will only further a narrative that devalues the life of a Black homeless man with mental health challenges and encourages an attitude of dehumanization of New Yorkers in greatest need.”
Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg got the message and charged Penny.
The jury deadlocked the first charge of manslaughter, and the judge dismissed it. The head of the New York chapter of Black Lives Matter said, “Today, white supremacy got another victory. Today, the KKK (Ku Klux Klan), the Klansmen, the evil in America got another victory.”
After Penny’s acquittal on the second charge, the BLM head said: “We need some Black vigilantes. People want to jump up and choke us and kill us for being loud? How about we do the same when they attempt to oppress us?”
Meanwhile, nearly half of the nation’s homicide victims are black, almost all killed by other blacks. Of New York’s nondomestic homicides, in a city that is around 25% black, the NYPD statistics show black victims and black perpetrators account for 71% of the total. In Chicago, over the Fourth of July weekend, more than 100 people were shot, 19 fatally, almost all in the mostly black areas of Chicago’s South and West Sides. Where’s Black Lives Matter, if black lives matter?
If Penny were black, there would have been no charges. If Neely were white, there would have been no charges. If both were black, or both were white, there would have been no charges.
So, to summarize, Daniel Penny, a white man, subdued Jordan Neely, a black man, with the help of two other good Samaritans, one named Eric Gonzalez. Neely posed a threat to passengers on the subway, many, if not most, of whom were black. The D.A. who charged Penny is black. The mayor of New York, who praised Penny’s heroism, is black. The jury that found Penny not guilty included four “people of color.”
Yet Penny’s acquittal, according to the head of the N.Y. chapter of Black Lives Matter, means “white supremacy got another victory”?!
I know the viewpoint of FPM and its readers. However, there is a crucial difference between this case and the Penny cases, other than color. Neely NEEDN’T have been killed – he was already restrained as Mr Elder has noted (Mr Gonzales and another participant). In the Williams case, there was a fight. I couldn’t find the video but the closest I could come to it was this article.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12244929/NYC-straphanger-stabbed-homeless-death-manslaughter-charge-DROPPED.html
It also has Mr Elder’s point of view but states that,
“Sources claimed that Williams’ self-defense claims were backed by video showing Ouedraogo strangling Williams and punching his girlfriend, as well as testimony from witnesses on the train.
New York law states that ‘a person is justified in using deadly physical force when they reasonably believe it is necessary to use such force to defend themselves or others from imminent use of deadly or unlawful physical force.'” [and carrying a pocket knife is legal in NY, I believe]
Furthermore:
“A grand jury, citing self-defense, declined to indict Williams”
–That’s our system. No indictment, no trial. I guess he wasn’t a ham sandwich.
Penny was no hero. Maybe he tried to be and got caught up in a Marine Moment. Williams acted in self-defense, though it is still a tragedy.
“If Penny were black, there would have been no charges. If Neely were white, there would have been no charges. If both were black, or both were white, there would have been no charges.”
–Any unnecessary death is either a crime or an accident. Neely’s death wasn’t an accident. If you believe White people ought to have the right to kill Black people, as long as they didn’t mean to go that far, that is a problem. And being Black doesn’t give you a pass, in my book.
I don’t know why FPM keeps bring up the same story. I guess it’s victim-inversion. I thought only the Left did that. I was wrong there.
Except that he was still alive for some time after being released by Penny, He died because he was on drugs and in terrible health in general.
When you die as he did, via a carotid choke, you become brain dead long (in minutes) before your heart and your breathing stop. Your body soon follows, inevitably. The same issues were cited in George Floyd’s death, but the verdict was different. I’m not saying either were in the best of health, nor were they wonderful people. I’m just saying that they needn’t have died. It was wrong to kill them. It wasn’t necessary. Would you do it? Or, like most (hopefully), you’d slightly relax, seeing if Mr Gonzales still kept him restrained, then fully relax. Unfortunately with this type of hold, it takes precious few minutes to kill. You HAVE to stop pressure when they go limp -IMMEDIATELY. As a martial artist, Mr Penny knew this. He kept it going because he was “hepped up” at the moment. You may find that excusable, as the reaction of the moment, BUT, it’s not “heroic”, it’s callous.
Daniel Penny, is an AMERICAN HERO. Period
Little Davey, wouldn’t have this response if his Mother or Father was in danger.
Oh please, don’t bring George Floyd into this. He had enough fentanyl in him to kill 5 people. But the knee on his neck belonged to a white man, so it was therefore a racially motivated killing. Same here. A white man saving lives at the expense of a black man will always be seen as a devil by some. Just in this case not by the jury, God bless them…
Penny found a need and filled it. He throttled a rabid dog in a properly executed choke hold for a valid reason. Unfortunately, Neely was three-sheets-to-the-wind on poly-pharmacy. Penny is a hero. Williams is the victor in a subway fight. Self defense no matter what his melanin count, which is all that matters to the Left.
DANIEL PENNY, is an AMERICAN HERO. Period
Daniel Penny and Kyle Rittenhouse are the examples of why we have a 2nd Amendment which will never sink to the Pea Sized Brain of David Hogg and March for Our Lives Idiots
This has been the third article on this subject. The progression has been interesting to me, so I’ll relate it. My first comment, which said basically what I’ve said here, got 36 down votes. I could tell right away it wasn’t a popular opinion. Nevertheless, it got 7 up votes – the only ones I was to receive in maybe a dozen posts. The responses I got were vehement and sometimes insulting. The snide smirks have disappeared, except for Mr Kahlcke, who couldn’t let his opinion go unvarnished.
Gradually the responses faded in number, though they still had the same position. Perhaps people said all they wanted to say or maybe they just got bored.
I know no sociology so I have no idea what all this means, but I’ve noticed that today on the news, this position has become a marker for Left and Right. Trump invited Mr Penny to his seat at the Army-Navy game, an honor. I was on the lookout for Leftish TV people’s opinion. Al Sharpton and Joy Reid made some mild criticism of Mr Penny. Nothing as definitive as I did. They look at existence through a Black-White lens, a position that I find intolerable. They turn my stomach, but now I see why my opinion is hated. It’s a marker for the Left. Of course, to me, it isn’t so, but that doesn’t seem to make any difference. It’s been interesting.