You’ve probably known someone in your life who was simply full of it, right? A friend of a friend or acquaintance who lied constantly, burning a lot of calories trying to convince people to believe people of something that simply wasn’t so. That is how Democrats are on almost every issue, but there’s one in particular they desperately need to fool people on not only so they can use it as a weapon, but also so they can hide the horrors their political philosophy have committed against the people unfortunate enough to live under their absolute reign.
The real “big lie” is the creator of the concept of a big lie was somehow “right-wing.” The simple truth is every single despotic totalitarian is a left-winger. Under the umbrella of “progressive” lives socialism, communism and fascism. But to hide the reality of what their ideological brethren have committed, Democrats lie and say monsters like Mao, Stalin and Hitler were of the right. This is impossible.
There’s a very simple way to think about this: think of political philosophy as a line with a right and left direction. One side wants a government that does more, that grows in size and scope, and the other wants one with a shrinking, smaller government doing less. Where do all of those “isms” fall on that spectrum? They all feature massive government taxing the hell out of everyone, mandating behavior and regulating lives.
Yet, in an attempt to hide the ultimate nature of their agenda, Democrats and the media would have you believe that, as you go down the right side of the political spectrum and government is shrinking, at a certain point government explodes into something gigantic with absolute control over everyone. The conservative belief in individual rights disappears and becomes about collectivism, then it shrinks again as the line slides off to eventual anarchy, which is the absence of government.
How does that work? There is no rational way to ascribe fascism to the right other than deflection. The Nazis were the National SOCIALIST German Workers’ Party, it’s right there in their name. Look up Hitler implemented from a policy perspective and you’ll find a lot of socialism. He was very much a supporter of collectivism, he simply excluded people he hated or needed as scapegoats. Everything else was socialism.
Communism, socialism and fascism differ only slightly, mostly in methods. They fought in the early 20th century not because they were so different, they fought because each wanted to be THE leading philosophy of the progressive movement. They all embraced eugenics – the idea that “undesirable people” should be bred out of existence, to put it in the most basic terms. Democrats in this country did, Nazis in Germany did. Progressives only distanced themselves from fascism and eugenics when World War II happened and it would have hurt them electorally to be associated with fascists. But if you look you can find many prominent progressive politicians saying nice things about fascists, like FDR praising Benito Mussolini.
Quotes like those aren’t hard to find; the truth never is. It’s getting people to realize it after having been lied to their whole lives that’s the hard part. How do you convince someone that they’ve been indoctrinated, brainwashed really, into believing a lie? It’s not easy.
This continues to this day. The newswire service UPI ran a headline this week, “Giorgia Meloni set to become Italy’s first far-right leader since Mussolini.” Mussolini, the father of fascism, was of the left. A true “far-right leader” would be someone who embraces individualism. Facts don’t matter, the agenda does.
Here’s a simple way to illustrate my point. The New York Times, one of the hubs in perpetrating this big lie, Tweeting a story about, of all places, Germany this week, wrote, “Battling far-right extremism, Germany has gone further than any other Western democracy to prosecute individuals for what they say online, testing the limits of free speech on the internet.”
Ask yourself a basic question: Which seems more fascistic, writing mean things, no matter how nasty, online from your couch or arresting people who write mean things online from their couch and throwing them in prison? Then ask yourself which party in this country would love little more than doing the exact same thing. Your answer isn’t the “semi-fascists,” they’re the real thing.
Great article but fix the typos for crying out loud.
I am impressed with Derek Hunter’s ability to pack so much misinformation into such a short article. He totally misrepresents the left-wing/right-wing ideological scale. The variable that varies along that scale is the amount of regard for nationalism (or patriotism). At the far left, is Marxist communism (i.e., international socialism). Karl Marx had utter contempt for national boundaries and the concept of nationalism; he wanted to obliterate the boundaries and establish one worldwide government controlled by laborers. At the far right is fascism (i.e., national socialism). Hitler and his followers were obsessed by national identity. In this country, conservative liberals (i.e., people who are enthusiastic about American symbols like the flag and believe in limited government, individual liberty, and free-market economics) are just to the right of center. The Democrats used to be progressive liberals (i.e., people who were somewhat less likely to wave the flag and to be enamored with other countries’ cultures and who shared the conservatives’ belief in limited government, individual liberty, and free-market economics) and were just to the left of center. Since 2016, the Democrats have slid to the left on the left-wing/right-wing ideological scale to the point of democratic socialism (and display contempt for just about everything American). Hunter wrote, “The simple truth is every single despotic totalitarian is a left-winger.” From what I have explained above, that is not true in the least. If Hunter wants to invent a different ideological scale, he is free to do so; the left-wing/right-wing ideological scale is not the only one that people can develop. But he is _not_ free to redefine what the terms “left-wing” and “right-wing,” which are a few hundred years old, mean in politics.
Then why did the fascist Nazis invade other countries and try to take over Europe if they were only “nationalists” and on the right? Your argument only holds merit if you use the “progressive” explanation of the left/right political spectrum. This article was written for believers in the “big lie” like you. Your response to it is like the blind man saying to the deaf man I finally picked up my hammer and saw.
Hitler invaded other countries to secure “Lebensraum” for the _German_ people and to create a “Greater Germany.” If you think that Hitler wanted to eradicate German nationalism, then you are terribly confused. I am not using any “progressive” explanation of the left-wing/right-wing ideological scale. I am telling you the _definition_ of it. The definition is not inherently biased.
The Definition pretends the Nazis didn’t control the means of production, what would be produced, and in which quantities…..and the “Greater Germany” BS fell apart with the invasion of Poland….which was made possible by the other leftist dictator who murdered millions of his own people.
LJ, the definition absolutely does _not_ “pretend[ that] the Nazis didn’t control the means of production.” I said that fascism/Nazism is national socialism. A socialist government _does_ control the means of production. My “Greater Germany” reference is not BS at all. As I said in the comment to which you replied, Hitler invaded other countries to secure “Lebensraum” for the German people and to create a `Greater Germany.'” Here are Hitler’s words: “Poland will always be on the side of our adversaries… Danzig is not the objective. It is a matter of expanding our living space [Lebensraum in German] in the east, of making our food supply secure, and solving the problem of the Baltic states. To provide sufficient food you must have sparsely settled areas. There is therefore no question of sparing Poland, and the decision remains to attack Poland at the first opportunity.”
Your troll shit is digested left-wing nonsense. The description you use for “right-wing” is idiotic bullshit and your description of Hitler’s actions are even worse.
Who wrote anything about an attempt by Hitler to eradicate socialist German nationalism?
Socialism is left-wing. Claiming otherwise is like claiming hot is cold and left is right. You moonbats can’t change the definition of socialism when you think it’s convenient to cover up your crimes.
What did Hitler care about borders? He wanted to create a might Germany that encompassed the world. Communists/socialists own the means of production. Fascists/socialists control the means of production not through ownership but government control. So far the Democrat government in the US is more fascistic than communist. They control business, labor, social and mainstream media and other aspects of US culture but own nothing. Their leaders have been groomed in colleges and universities for the last 50 years into the socialist ideal.
Note: I wrote, “The Democrats used to be progressive liberals (i.e., people who were somewhat less likely to wave the flag and to be enamored with other countries’ cultures and who shared the conservatives’ belief in limited government, individual liberty, and free-market economics) and were just to the left of center.” I meant to say: “and somewhat _more_ likely to be enamored with other countries’ cultures.”
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You wrote, “Communists/socialists own the means of production.” I don’t know which “Communists” you are talking about. I was talking about _Marxist_ communism; Marx didn’t want anyone to own the means of production. The term “socialism” means that the _government_ controls the means of production. You wrote, “They control business, labor, social and mainstream media and other aspects of US culture but own nothing.” Democratic socialism, which is what today’s Democrats believe in, does allow for extensive regulation of business. That doesn’t mean that they are “fascists”; you are imposing that word on them yourself. They clearly have contempt for traditional American values. The fascists hung the Nazi flag everywhere. The Democrats kneel contemptuously when the “Star-Spangled Banner” is played. Can’t you see the difference in their ideologies?
The raid on Mar a Lago, arrest of dozens of innocent people connected to Trump, the persecution of concerned parents and the MAGA majority as fictional white supremacists, the disinformation nonsense used to silence dissent, Dirtbagocrat cancel culture, the use of BLM and Antifa as Brownshirts, and on and on are all FASCISM.
You’re a retard. Fascism has nothing to do with nationalism. It’s simply a method to impose and maintain tyranny. It isn’t a political system, Barfly. Damn, you’re unctious.
Yup.
National socialism and international socialism are both socialism, dillrod. They’re both on the left-wing fringe. Your argument is specious. Besides, Hitler meant to impose Nazi socialism on all the people he conquered.
And it’s leftists who disparage moderates, conservatives and all other NORMAL people to the right of Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Mao and Pol Pot as “right-wingers” even though all those people were demonstrably leftists. Hunter simply addressed their false descriptions.
Hitler socialized industry, agriculture, banks, transportation, national identity and much else. He even socialized art! None of those acts were “right-wing.” They were the exact opposite.
You’re full of shit, just like every other liar who claims that left-wing exemplar, Hitler, and his Nazi party were “right-wing.” Your argument is specious and doesn’t even rise to the level of sophistry, which would require skill and an IQ above moron level.
Jeff: First of all, you are a pig.
Second, you are so ridiculously volatile that you are not arguing against what I actually said.
I know darned well that international socialism and national socialism are both socialism. I’m the one who brought them up and identified them as socialism. I know very well that “Hitler meant to impose Nazi socialism on all the people he conquered.” Everyone knows that, and I never said otherwise. You are just babbling.
You wrote, “And it’s leftists who disparage moderates, conservatives and all other NORMAL people to the right of Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Mao and Pol Pot as ‘right-wingers’ even though all those people were demonstrably leftists.” I could not care less what the leftists say. Hitler was not “demonstrably leftist.” Just because you say it, doesn’t make it that way. I know darned well that Hitler socialized everything. I said that fascism/Nazism is “national socialism.” You are not arguing against me. You are arguing against the voices in your own gaseous head.
It is ironic that you call _my_ argument “specious.” Your argument is based on absolutely nothing, you have no skill whatsoever, and all that you have proved is that you try to win arguments by expressing yourself in a vicious manner. Sadly, you will never learn anything because your mind is closed off to new information, which means that nothing that you ever say about politics will have any value.
Now you’re just lying about what you wrote and is clear for anybody to see. Typical woman.
Giovanni Gentile, a Marxist from the Frankfurt School, invented fascism as an alternative to socialism with the goal of implementing communism.
Centralized Control of production and the economy, collectivism, social welfare are central to socialism and fascism….and if you think Stalin, Mao, Castro, and a host of others didn’t use Nationalism, when it suited them, you don’t know much about them.
Free Market Capitalism, private property rights, limited central government power, freedom of expression and movement have never been the foundations of a totalitarian government…
.the line is clear – on the left resides the statists and collectivists on the right reside the individualists who desire smaller and limited government.
LJ, you are correct about Gentile being a Marx devotée and a left-wing kind of guy. But the understanding of fascism was fluid as he wrote the first descriptions of fascism, and through the 1920s Italian fascism drifted to the right. In _The_Doctrine_of_Fascism_ (1927), Mussolini wrote, “Granted that the 19th century was the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy, this
does not mean that the 20th century must also be the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy. Political doctrines pass; nations remain. We are
free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the `right,’ a Fascist century.”
Concerning Stalin and Mao, I agree with you! You wrote, “. . . [I]f you think Stalin, Mao, Castro, and a host of others didn’t use Nationalism, when it suited them, you don’t know much about them.” Yes–they used nationalism! Karl Marx prophesied a revolution that would create one worldwide state. He expected the revolution to be organized in the western, industrialized countries. But that didn’t happen because those countries (e.g., Britain and the United States) reformed (like the New Deal reforms in the United States that alleviated the conditions that trampled on the well-being of laborers). Instead, communism took root in such agrarian locations as Russia and China. And it didn’t go much further. Stalin was forced to concede that there was going to be _no_worldwide_communist_state_. So he resorted to the consolation prize of “socialism in one country.” And, as you said, he adopted the behaviors of nationalism, as did Mao. I am fully willing to acknowledge that Stalin and Mao (and, what the heck, I’ll throw in the likes of Putin) have acted in a nationalist, far-right-wing manner. I’m sure that Marx has been turning in his grave for a long, long time.
The ideological scale that _you_ want to create–in which statists are on the left and collectivists are on the right–is a creative idea. Nevertheless, it is _not_ the left-wing/right-wing ideological scale: As I said, the value that varies along _that_ scale is the amount of regard for _nationalism_.
The “amount of regard for nationalism” has nothing to do with the divide between the left-wing fringe and the normal super majority – moderates and “right-wingers” – as Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and the Kims in Korea have proven so definitively.
First of all, I wish this hadn’t come down to name calling. It’s important that this gets discussed because even the old day slightly to the left are rare beings .if they speak up they risk alienation, violence and even jail. No leader that is wanting to conquer the world for whatever reason, especially by rallying around genocide of a complete people, I’m not sure the “word” has been invented . Not leftist for sure. Not right either , He should be compared to no one!!!
Americans don’t have any Parties anymore . They are both corrupt and the idea is who can stay in office the longest! The dems though , have morphed the party into an Orwellian culture . They have taken over the media, the most ey, the unions , the schools. The only reason the far right is gaining strength is because there are no alternatives. That’s not America either. FDR was more interested in NOT wanting to get involved in that war. Too bad more people on both sides don’t believe it. Because we are not taught truth. If not for Churchill we would all be sitting under a German flag . What you need to be talking about are new definitions for the new world. Because we need a third party NOW. That has common sense and can talk down this garbage . It’s obvious the new dems are taking us down. The most destructive path we have ever known
EXACTLY! Derek Hunter explains that Fascism is Leftism. Fascism has its roots in Marxism. The only reason that the Democrat Commies stupidly call conservatives “Fascists” is because it’s a left-over knee-jerk ad hominem from WWII by the German Communist Party (the original Antifa) when Hitler broke the non-aggression treaty with the USSR, thus all political enemies of the Commies were automatic Nazis or Fascists. We have to call the Democrats FascistCommies and stop calling them Liberals, Progressives, Socialists or even Marxists. Why are Conservatives so hesitant?
Liz, you wrote, “Fascism has its roots in Marxism.” I suppose that it may be possible that some early fascists were inspired by Karl Marx’s antipathy for the wealthy class. But, otherwise, the fascists–specifically, the Nazi Germans–hated Marx’s guts. There is nothing wrong with calling the Democrats “socialists” or “democratic socialists.” Calling them Communists is a little bit of an exaggeration, but one that I will happily excuse. Personally, I refer to the Democrats as the members of the Democrat Socialist Terrorist Traitor party.
The Nazis were the ONLY fascists who hated communism and Marx, you you oily retard. I hope you’re
better barfly than a troll.
It’s true that the Nazis had a socialist bent, if one considers a big part of socialism some or all state control. But the Nazis ( and the Italian fascists , Franco’s Spain and Portugal’s Salazar) were more exactly what was called “corporatist” ; not full state control , but mediating between a private sector and unfree unions, with a vision of national “unity” incarnated by the Absolute Leader and the sometimes deified State. . Stalin and his version of Marxism however ran everything directly. Also, it must be added that the more socialist and working class tendencies were wiped out (literally killed) by Hitler when he attacked Ernest Rohm”s SA wing of the Nazis after the State takeover.
The Nazis and the other corporatists were also traditionalists in the social sphere, like today’s American Right , but more virulently. Totalitarian Marxists, insofar as I can tell, have oscillated between traditionalism and open sexual and family morality. In China today for instance, it’s pretty open, whereas under the same regime 40-50 years go it was pretty traditional (all this according to a book I recently read about China).
On the whole then, the Nazis and their allies were RIGHT-WING. Everyone knows that. You people here just do not want to see that.
Yes, because corporations long for state control of their companies and socialists are “right-wing.”
You’re a clown.
First off, Fascism is not Nazism, and Nazism is not Fascism.
While both share similarities, they are vastly different.
Nazism is inherently “racist”, or, to be more precise, a more modernized-fanaticised-“scientifised” version of Christianity. Fascism is dictatorial, but not inherently genocidal, and not necessarily racist. (The countries that notoriously saved Jews during WWII were Fascist or fairly fascistoid; Italy, Bulgaria, Spain, Finland, Denmark, Serbia).
Benito Mussolini only allied himself with the Reich when his bid to join the allies was rejected over petty formalities (namely, relinquishing the colonies; Churchill begged his colleagues to make an exception, but the sanctimonious lovers of equality declined, thus providing Hitler with an invaluable partner.)
Second, the first commenter has some valid point; in the classical (or ancient) definition, Nazi Germany was considered “right-wing”, the socialist contradiction notwithstanding. Definitions are by nature vague, and fluctuate over time. (cont. next comment)
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So here’s what I suggest as a litmus test:
Let’s examine brutal dictatorships, then let’s examine free-market societies. While one one might make the case that free market economics are not necessarily inherent to Right-Wing”ness”, in most cases it certainly is. On the other hand, true socialism cannot thrive under freedom; freedom must be curtailed – and eventually totally suspended – for socialism to truly exist and thrive.
Thus, all truly socialist are necessarily dictatorships, often very brutal. Right-wing dictatorships are few and far in between, and if they’re truly right-wing, they eventually dissolve themselves, as did Pinochet, as a prime example.
Thus said, I place the blame for the current situation of rampant leftist oppression and dictatorship ate Right’s feet; we’re fragmented, bickering, refusing to collaborate/compromise with each other, we don’t engage in culture and propaganda, and allow the left to rape us in the back and spit in our faces.
You may want to watch a few videos:
– https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtFLPeF8CbE&t=6s
– https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CDPU8Aq4aA
– https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PszFjbvUZrg&t=18s
Thank you